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Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality Forum' started by Mayflower, Jul 7, 2019.

  1. bbyrd009

    bbyrd009 Groper

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    exactly, wherever two or three come together in His Name iow, not wherever we deem a building "church" that never, ever meets that standard, except when two or three of the faithful happen to come together in His Name there, which i'm not saying that that does not happen too, surely it does
     
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    A bible study group. Or with Christian friends who come for a meal. Jesus wasn't in a church building when he told us to do it in remembrance of him, just with a group of friends over a meal. It has since been ritualised.
     
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    In Acts 2.42, it's clearly associated with other Christians regularly engaged in various Scriptural activities.

    I don't believe in the idea of 'consecrated buildings', though.
     
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    Church is wherever you are!
     
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    Pearl Well-Known Member

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    Like where? If Christ is in me then he is everywhere I am.
     
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    In the end it's all about worship 'in spirit and in truth' (John 4), right?
     
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    ha well or Jews anyway, they were pretty much all still Jews i guess

    He said this because they were entering Jerusalem, and the Apostles thought the kingdom was about to manifest paraphrased?
     
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    gotta witness for Pearl there bro
    wherever you go, I am with you
     
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    Amen Pearl,
    I believe when Jesus said to "Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me” (1 Corinthians 11:23-25). ... And he said to them, “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many” (Mark 14:22-24).
    I personally believe the communion is an actual meal, among other Christians...and as we are to do ALL things with Him in our minds, why would having a meal that is always provided to us from God not be considered "communion". I mean, this was all said during the last supper...♥
     
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    KJV John 15
    5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
    6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
    Any promises such as "I am with you always' are conditional. I know of no reference that says "wherever you go I will be with you".
     
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    I am sorry I don't understand. I may be dense :)
     
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    There is more than mere remembrance. Mere remembrance does not cause sickness or death. It is man who made the Holy Eucharist mere remembrance because they could not accept the truth and made their own ideas up just as those that heard walked away from Christ in John 6:66.
     
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    Bible Commentary 1 Corinthians 11
    18-34 (Matthew 26:26-29). The Lord’s Supper Perverted—The Corinthians were departing widely from the simplicity of the faith and the harmony of the church. They continued to assemble for worship, but with hearts that were estranged from one another. They had perverted the true meaning of the Lord’s Supper, patterning in a great degree after idolatrous feasts. They came together to celebrate the sufferings and death of Christ, but turned the occasion into a period of feasting and selfish enjoyment.

    Paul rebukes the Corinthians for making the house of God a place of feasting and revelry, like a company of idolaters: “What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not?” The public religious feasts of the Greeks had been conducted in this way, and it was by following the counsels of false teachers that the Christians had been led to imitate their example. These teachers had begun by assuring them that it was not wrong to attend idolatrous feasts, and had finally introduced similar practices into the Christian church.
     
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    perhaps you can elaborate....make what you are trying to say clearer
     
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    You're still reading more into the word 'church' than I actually mean. Biblically, 'church' is an assembly (ekklesia) - now if we assemble, then it rather implies we are all in one place (at least temporarily). Not necessarily a dedicated building, although for practical purposes a lot of churches do now have dedicated buildings. And in the UK, there can't be many towns where there are only two or three believers, so for most of us it's a cop-out to restrict our fellowship to such a small select group.

    Jesus' reference to "two or three" gets a lot of misapplication, in my view. It's an encouragement to the few who really are just a few (churches of 2 or 3 do exist), not an excuse for all of us to avoid fellowship with larger groups.
     
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    [QUOTE="Deborah_, post: 593220, member: 6831"
    Jesus' reference to "two or three" gets a lot of misapplication, in my view. It's an encouragement to the few who really are just a few (churches of 2 or 3 do exist), not an excuse for all of us to avoid fellowship with larger groups.[/QUOTE]


    Here's a loose thought/question....Does gathering with people in large groups constitute fellowship? Personally I doubt it unless of course their is fellowship.

    Gathering with large groups of people for the purpose of fellowship is a wonderful thought but in my experience it has been a rarity.

    Fellowship in my understanding happens when people connect. Our fellowship with the Godhead happens when we are connected. Fellowship in a family becomes a reality when those present harmonise at the core and differences that surface are able to be surmounted....that is fellowship.
     
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    Our home bible study groups midweek were better for true fellowship than the larger gatherings on a Sunday morning. Much more intimate.
     
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    Depends what you mean by 'large', doesn't it? In my experience the fellowship of a very small group (less than 6-8) can become too intense, especially, if that small group cuts itself off from participation in any wider fellowship. It's also too easy just to 'fellowship' with people you like. A church of 20-50 is the ideal, I think - small enough to know everyone, but large enough to have members that maybe you wouldn't naturally get on with. Once you get over that number, it becomes impossible to really know everyone (not necessarily a problem, as long as you know some of them).

    The real problem with most churches, I suspect, is not the numbers but the attitude. If people aren't willing to open up and share with each other (or if they get criticised when they do), or if they don't stop to talk after the meeting, you won't get much fellowship happening.
     
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    Our church had a regular attendance of between 50 and 60 and those that wanted to could be part of a midweek housegroup of around 12 people. We would chat, pray, praise and study and sometimes just have fun together for birthdays or other celebrations and we often shared bread and wine - just from the loaf in the bread bin and from a bottle in the wine rack. We had meals out together at Christmas or buffet lunches in our various homes, all sorts of things like that. And once a month the church had a buffet bring and eat lunch after the meeting. It's not rocket science.
     
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