Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

[amigo de christo]

Satan LOVES it when his messengers convince people that there is no EVERLASTING FIRE!

Many can claim to Beleive in HIM but many do not BELEIVE HIM .
And that right there is a massive problem .
ADAM beleived in GOD , SO DID EVE
but when eve chose to rather BELEIVE the words of satan , WHO HIMSELF did not deny GOD existed ,
was WHEN THEY FELL .
WHO WE BELEIVE matters .
Many will wail on the day of the LORD
because while some of them claimed to Even BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
they darn sure didnt beleive him but rather beleived a claoked in wool liar WHO used THAT LOVELY NAME OF JESUS
to decieve them . I am very worried for so many now .
Bring lots of biblical verses my friend . We must do by grace what so few no longer do
EXPOSE THE DARKNESS and POINT ONLY TO CHRIST , TO THE TRUTH .

 

[amigo de christo]

@St. SteVen now apply this understanding to a familiar verse.

John 3:16 – “…whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life” = apollymi ---> “cease to exist without Christ”

If eternal life is the extreme, then perish is eternal death.

All Christians can do is attempt to impose their interpretations on the metaphorical language describing the grave, but ultimately, their misunderstanding lies in their refusal to accept that people can truly cease to exist.

All i know is the rich man didnt seem to exist
nor did lazarous after both had died .
But one was in a real nasty place and the other in a very good place .
As far as all the details to what occurs , I LEAVE THAT in the HANDS of the RIGHTEOUS JUDGE
But here is what i dont do
I DONT Tone down the severity of GOD nor do i preach a false goodness that has made the road to GOD SO broad .
It had been far simplier had we just taught it as it had been written .
YOU see , I KNOW WHO SAVES and THAT IS THE ONLY NAME we should have told all CAN save them .
AND that without FIATH IN HIM they are not saved and shall not enjoy their end at all .
Whatever the punishments be , I leave all that in the hands of GOD .
TIME to simply have preached JESUS THE CHRIST
and YES to warn those who fail to believe on HIM , oh it will be far worse for you than ever for it was for sodom
ON THE DAY OF THE LORD .
JUST remind folks . cause i see a huge and very broad road way getting preached more and more by this generation .
BUT dont we all know THE BROAD ROAD IS THE ROAD to perdition , NOT SALVATION .
Salvation IS IN CHRIST ALONE and its about high time we preach that AGAIN .

 

[Hiddenthings]

All i know is the rich man didnt seem to exist
nor did lazarous after both had died .
But one was in a real nasty place and the other in a very good place .
As far as all the details to what occurs , I LEAVE THAT in the HANDS of the RIGHTEOUS JUDGE
But here is what i dont do
I DONT Tone down the severity of GOD nor do i preach a false goodness that has made the road to GOD SO broad .
It had been far simplier had we just taught it as it had been written .
YOU see , I KNOW WHO SAVES and THAT IS THE ONLY NAME we should have told all CAN save them .
AND that without FIATH IN HIM they are not saved and shall not enjoy their end at all .
Whatever the punishments be , I leave all that in the hands of GOD .
TIME to simply have preached JESUS THE CHRIST
and YES to warn those who fail to believe on HIM , oh it will be far worse for you than ever for it was for sodom
ON THE DAY OF THE LORD .
JUST remind folks . cause i see a huge and very broad road way getting preached more and more by this generation .
BUT dont we all know THE BROAD ROAD IS THE ROAD to perdition , NOT SALVATION .
Salvation IS IN CHRIST ALONE and its about high time we preach that AGAIN .

From this, I couldn’t tell whether you share the same understanding of perish as the Apostles, but then again, very few do today.

 

[amigo de christo]

From this, I couldn’t tell whether you share the same understanding of perish as the Apostles, but then again, very few do today.

PREACH JESUS . interfaith is of anti christ, this ecumincal move is of anti christ .
Stop trying to preach on things that none fully understands .
O generation of the harlot what has become thee . The love god has become thee .
STOP trying to air condition things and find ways around HAVING TO BELEIVE ON JESUS .
What did the apostels preach
WAS IT WHAT WE SEE TODAY , going around and trying to make everyone feel okay and fine in whatever religoin they served .
Heck NO .
They preached the dire and absolute necessity of having TO BELIEVE ON JESUS .
all this st steven character does is goes around
trying to preach another offshoot of some kind of universal BD . AND YEAH ITS TOTAL BD .
WE supposed to be preaching JESUS and letting all know HE IS THE ONLY WAY TO GOD THE FATHER
and THAT THEY MUST BELEIVE ON HIM to be saved .
THAT AINT what i am seeing most talk about anymore .
EVERYONE seems to be about all this meeting the other halfway .
SO in the so called name of tolerance
I JUST decided to meet the RCC half way .
To agree in part .
AND HERE IS the part i agree with .
When they make decrees they call them papal bulls .
SO in the name of tolerance i meet them halfway . IF IT COMES OUT OF THE RCC , I CALL IT BULL . you all figure that one out

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

Because it's doctrines of demons and is not of God, that's why

 

[Marvelloustime]

Many can claim to Beleive in HIM but many do not BELEIVE HIM .
And that right there is a massive problem .
ADAM beleived in GOD , SO DID EVE
but when eve chose to rather BELEIVE the words of satan , WHO HIMSELF did not deny GOD existed ,
was WHEN THEY FELL .
WHO WE BELEIVE matters .
Many will wail on the day of the LORD
because while some of them claimed to Even BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
they darn sure didnt beleive him but rather beleived a claoked in wool liar WHO used THAT LOVELY NAME OF JESUS
to decieve them . I am very worried for so many now .
Bring lots of biblical verses my friend . We must do by grace what so few no longer do
EXPOSE THE DARKNESS and POINT ONLY TO CHRIST , TO THE TRUTH .

@amigo de christo

 

[Hiddenthings]

PREACH JESUS .

If you do not understand the problem of the Law of Sin and Death then what hope does preaching Jesus do for anyone?

John 3:16 – “…whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life” = apollymi ---> “cease to exist without Christ

Having no comprehension of the severity of perish does not help you to seek life because most in this forum already believe they have it.

So why seek for it?

Romans 2:7: “To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life.”

@St. SteVen

 

[amigo de christo]

If you do not understand the problem of the Law of Sin and Death then what hope does preaching Jesus do for anyone?

John 3:16 – “…whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life” = apollymi ---> “cease to exist without Christ

Having no comprehension of the severity of perish does not help you to seek life because most in this forum already believe they have it.

So why seek for it?

Romans 2:7: “To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life.”

@St. SteVen

the simple fact you are calling upon st steven has me highly concerned for you my friend .
Let us return to the scriptures to learn for ourselves .

 

[amigo de christo]

If you do not understand the problem of the Law of Sin and Death then what hope does preaching Jesus do for anyone?

John 3:16 – “…whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life” = apollymi ---> “cease to exist without Christ

Having no comprehension of the severity of perish does not help you to seek life because most in this forum already believe they have it.

So why seek for it?

Romans 2:7: “To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life.”

@St. SteVen

Preach JESUS . not false hope . JESUS .

 

[Hiddenthings]

the simple fact you are calling upon st steven has me highly concerned for you my friend .
Let us return to the scriptures to learn for ourselves .

Steven raised the question about the meaning of perish, an important discussion. Your reluctance to engage with it speaks volumes, my friend.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Preach JESUS . not false hope . JESUS .

When I see a person's unwillingness to discuss the problem it always means they do not understand the solution.

 

[Jack]

Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?​

Probably because it's a road to Hell.

 

[amigo de christo]

When I see a person's unwillingness to discuss the problem it always means they do not understand the solution.

Rather
when one can discern
that no matter what one says the other gonna twist the scrips and not heed it .
THEN WHY BOTHER responding .
THAT WAS WHY i did not respond my friend .
You and men like your beloved st steven
ARE ALWAYS resisting the simple truth and always no matter how often
THE TRUTH is brought . THEY REJECT IT , TWIST IT and just spout on saying WELL LETS DISCUSS IT .
It has honestly become as the blind leading the blind in christendom now .
PS
spiritual discernment is real .
PLUS i dont respond unless LED TO DO SO .
And guess what , I AINT LED TO DO SO with you or him .
You might wanna start praying about why that might be .
Cause i beleive i know the answer .
No matter what i say , no matter the tons of scrips i could bring to show you
YOU NOR ST STEVEN gonna hear one word of it .
But you pray about that .

 

[amigo de christo]

When I see a person's unwillingness to discuss the problem it always means they do not understand the solution.

When i see a persons continual unwillingness to simple beleive the scriptures as written
but always heed the twisters , IT MEANS THEY HAVE ZERO LOVE FOR GOD
NO love OF GOD In them .
For more info about that feel free to pm me my friend .
I am long wore out with watching folks in wool constantly twist scrips
and wont even heed a real simple reminder, LIKE HOW BOUT WE JUST GET BACK INTO THE BIBLE to learn for ourselves ,
I dont have time to waste on folks that want nothing to do with GOD .
I weep for them . But i am here to help the sheep .
And even those behind the scenes who might be reading what we all say .
I dont have time to go and continually go round and round and round and round
with the same ones WHO have NO LOVE FOR GOD .
at most their love is for their beloved system and its twisted men who preached lies to this people .
I AINT having any part of that cup .
I love you all , I TRULY DO , it hurts my soul very deeply to see what i see today .
I dont desire the death of any
BUT IT SURE SEEMS many love death my friend , they love a lie my friend .

 

[Hiddenthings]

When i see a persons continual unwillingness to simple beleive the scriptures as written
but always heed the twisters , IT MEANS THEY HAVE ZERO LOVE FOR GOD
NO love OF GOD In them .
For more info about that feel free to pm me my friend .
I am long wore out with watching folks in wool constantly twist scrips
and wont even heed a real simple reminder, LIKE HOW BOUT WE JUST GET BACK INTO THE BIBLE to learn for ourselves ,
I dont have time to waste on folks that want nothing to do with GOD .
I weep for them . But i am here to help the sheep .
And even those behind the scenes who might be reading what we all say .
I dont have time to go and continually go round and round and round and round
with the same ones WHO have NO LOVE FOR GOD .
at most their love is for their beloved system and its twisted men who preached lies to this people .
I AINT having any part of that cup .
I love you all , I TRULY DO , it hurts my soul very deeply to see what i see today .
I dont desire the death of any
BUT IT SURE SEEMS many love death my friend , they love a lie my friend .

Still cannot speak to the problem - 2 replies also, wow

 

[Hiddenthings]

@amigo de christo

I'll give you another opportunity

John 3:16 – “…whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life” = apollymi ---> “cease to exist without Christ

Explain what John meant by perish.

 

[amigo de christo]

@amigo de christo

I'll give you another opportunity

John 3:16 – “…whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life” = apollymi ---> “cease to exist without Christ

Explain what John meant by perish.

It means what it says . PERISH . as in bueno bye .
SO its about high time we preach JESUS and not satans ecumincal interfaith .

 

[ProDeo]

@amigo de christo

I'll give you another opportunity

John 3:16 – “…whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life” = apollymi ---> “cease to exist without Christ

Explain what John meant by perish.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Same people one chapter later -

Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

They are still pretty much alive.

Meaning second death means the same as the first death A&E faced, separation from the presence of the Lord.

Give it a thought.

 

[Hiddenthings]

It means what it says . PERISH . as in bueno bye .
SO its about high time we preach JESUS and not satans ecumincal interfaith .

the being you call satan doesnt exist.
perish means ceasing to exist - dust you are and dust you will return!
As I said if you don't understand the problem how can you preach Jesus?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Same people one chapter later -

Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

They are still pretty much alive.

Meaning second death means the same as the first death A&E faced, separation from the presence of the Lord.

Give it a thought.

Hey Pro,

The second death is teaching those who are raised and rejected (at the judgement) will die a second time - everlasting death...never to live in any shape or form again.

Christians don't believe death to be death - however Pro they also don't believe life to be life afterall they thing angels can sin and die.

It's crazy what mythology has done to the Word of God.