Why Jesus told the servant not to weed out the tares

[robert derrick]

The reason Jesus told the slothful minister not to bother trying to weed out the tares from the wheat, is because he wasn't doing what was necessary to prevent their rising up in the local church in the first place.

If a pastor is not going to preach against works of the flesh faith aloners, or against holier-than-thou Pentecosters, then he won't know how to start doing so, once they raise their ugly heads among the saints.

 

[robert derrick]

It also shows that preaching against such things is not necessary for the faithful and righteous in Christ Jesus, but is for keeping the church clean from filthiness of the spirit with Pentecosters, and filthiness of the flesh with faith aloners.

I've been in churches that are either/or, but I have yet to be in any church that has both. That's because faith aloners can't stand being around outward righteousness at all, and Pentecosters can't stand being round outward unrighteousness at all.

The saints can put up with both, so long as there isn't any proselytizing efforts to recruit them to one or the other.

The wheat will be wheat for Jesus alone, even if others aren't while still naming the name of Christ.

And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges.

 

[mailmandan]

Acts 20:28 - Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. 29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. 31 Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The reason Jesus told the slothful minister not to bother trying to weed out the tares from the wheat, is because he wasn't doing what was necessary to prevent their rising up in the local church in the first place.

a slothful minister? Can you share the quote? You said the reason Jesus said not to weed out the tares from the wheat is because they’re not doing what was necessary to prevent the tares from rising in the first.

The only way I can think of that prevents the tares from rising in the first place …is Christ being formed in the First place. To me the warning of to not weed the tares, to let them alone …is followed by unless you root up “Christ being formed” among the tares. Christ being formed being what keeps the tares from rising. There is a huge dilemma in those passages of whom comes to bind and deliver “the tares” to gather them out and cast them in the lake of fire. Immediately followed by Christ warning that men were coming and he was to be delivered into their hands. Think about it all the times he was among them and their naysaying and criticism was of him,
always, calling out basically Christ was “a tare” that had spring up among the wheat (the religious leaders) …and how Christ needed to be rooted up before His way took root and grew where all men would follow Him and ‘His sayings’ instead of theirs. to me it is hard to dispute their looking upon Christ as “a tare” because they accused Christ of being as such “a tare” spring up among men. “Bind him and cast him in the fire” …rooting out that which they called, “offends”.

Paul (Imo) takes to heart the warning of not weeding out the tares …least you Root up Christ. In the passage where he sits with a weak brother and instead of weeding away Paul sees one Christ died for and nurtured charity over weeding out. (As you have done it to one of the least, you have don’t it unto Me.) Christ told Peter three times “strengthen your brothers” over and over Paul also the focus on “until Christ be formed in you” for the Son came not to destroy but to save. To me “the Son came not to destroy but to save” shifts the focus of God from weeding out the tares to the growing up “edification” of Christ.

from the weeding of the tares
To the growing up “edification” of Christ
but man is eager to weed out the tares (first)even if in the process they root up Christ…the very One that saves. That (Imo) was seen when they accused Christ as the tare strung up, whom God Grows up in all things and, they, cast Him in to the lake of fire to be burned. “Tare!”…he has a demon… They got a surprise though (Imo)…

 

[VictoryinJesus]

If a pastor is not going to preach against works of the flesh faith aloners, or against holier-than-thou Pentecosters, then he won't know how to start doing so, once they raise their ugly heads among the saints.

So that is my question
If I am one of those ugly heads that rise up “Faith alone”…did Christ die for me and if Christ did indeed die for me … would weeding one weak in faith (me), a tare, weeding the weak out before Christ has the opportunity to form wheat (strength in Christ) …wouldn’t that be rooting up Christ (strength) along with the weeding of the tare (weak)…and so sin against Christ when sinning against one Christ died for? (If any harm one of the little ones they sin against Christ?).
aren’t those weeding up the tares and unknowingly taking up the root of Christ with it, rooting up “one whom Christ died for”…are those busy pulling tares also guilty of disobedience as well..by rooting up Christ? No?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The biggest question I have (seriously) is
What does one have to do to be considered as one Christ died for?

like all the warnings not to hurt one whom Christ died for…even when they may not be aware yet that Christ died for them…how does “Christ died for them” become theirs when God says “do not harm” that which Christ died for?

how does one become someone that carries that message of “one Christ died for”?

what are the steps to being called one Christ died for?

 

[Enoch111]

he biggest question I have (seriously) is What does one have to do to be considered as one Christ died for?

Anyone who believes and obeys the Gospel is one for whom Christ died. The finished work of Christ is of no value to those who either ignore or reject Christ and the Gospel.

 

[robert derrick]

a slothful minister? Can you share the quote? You said the reason Jesus said not to weed out the tares from the wheat is because they’re not doing what was necessary to prevent the tares from rising in the first.

The only way I can think of that prevents the tares from rising in the first place …is Christ being formed in the First place. To me the warning of to not weed the tares, to let them alone …is followed by unless you root up “Christ being formed” among the tares. Christ being formed being what keeps the tares from rising. There is a huge dilemma in those passages of whom comes to bind and deliver “the tares” to gather them out and cast them in the lake of fire. Immediately followed by Christ warning that men were coming and he was to be delivered into their hands. Think about it all the times he was among them and their naysaying and criticism was of him,
always, calling out basically Christ was “a tare” that had spring up among the wheat (the religious leaders) …and how Christ needed to be rooted up before His way took root and grew where all men would follow Him and ‘His sayings’ instead of theirs. to me it is hard to dispute their looking upon Christ as “a tare” because they accused Christ of being as such “a tare” spring up among men. “Bind him and cast him in the fire” …rooting out that which they called, “offends”.

Paul (Imo) takes to heart the warning of not weeding out the tares …least you Root up Christ. In the passage where he sits with a weak brother and instead of weeding away Paul sees one Christ died for and nurtured charity over weeding out. (As you have done it to one of the least, you have don’t it unto Me.) Christ told Peter three times “strengthen your brothers” over and over Paul also the focus on “until Christ be formed in you” for the Son came not to destroy but to save. To me “the Son came not to destroy but to save” shifts the focus of God from weeding out the tares to the growing up “edification” of Christ.

from the weeding of the tares
To the growing up “edification” of Christ
but man is eager to weed out the tares (first)even if in the process they root up Christ…the very One that saves. That (Imo) was seen when they accused Christ as the tare strung up, whom God Grows up in all things and, they, cast Him in to the lake of fire to be burned. “Tare!”…he has a demon… They got a surprise though (Imo)…

Slothful ministry is not ministering all Scripture, but only a certain part pleasing to the minister. The gospel is twofold beginning with repent, and then believe. If sinning isn't preached against, then sinners will rise up openly in the church. A minister not liking to preach against sinning will then overreact personally and wildly and begin offending the innocent. If the law isn't preached accurately, then the self-righteous will rise up openly, and the same thing happens again.

What gets wrongly rooted up is the wheat, not Christ. Christ can't be rooted up.

Christ is only formed in them that repent and believe the gospel as written, to do the word from a purified heart.

Jesus came not to condemn only, but to convict and draw all that repent to Him for forgiveness and cleanness of soul and conscience.

 

[robert derrick]

So that is my question
If I am one of those ugly heads that rise up “Faith alone”…did Christ die for me and if Christ did indeed die for me … would weeding one weak in faith (me), a tare, weeding the weak out before Christ has the opportunity to form wheat (strength in Christ) …wouldn’t that be rooting up Christ (strength) along with the weeding of the tare (weak)…and so sin against Christ when sinning against one Christ died for? (If any harm one of the little ones they sin against Christ?).
aren’t those weeding up the tares and unknowingly taking up the root of Christ with it, rooting up “one whom Christ died for”…are those busy pulling tares also guilty of disobedience as well..by rooting up Christ? No?

A tare is a full grown tare, not a shoot that may be wheat or a tare. The tares never become wheat, which is why in the end, they will be finally rooted up.

Faith aloners never become wheat, until they repent of sinning, which is not possible until they first repent of believing they are saved and justified by their own faith alone, while still sinning against Christ.

No faith alone minister has ever preached righteousness without also sinning, which is why they don't even try to uproot tares, because they would then be uprooting themselves unto repentance.

 

[mailmandan]

Matthew 15:13, Jesus said - Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant shall be uprooted.

1 John 1:8 - If we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, (past tense) we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The finished work of Christ is of no value to those who either ignore or reject Christ and the Gospel.

See, But I wonder who is the one who ignores and rejects Christ and the Gospel …where the finished work of Christ is of not value.

I wonder if “rejecting Christ” and “the gospel” is to harm one who is weak for whom Christ died for. Which one is where the finished work of Christ has no value? The one who harms another for whom Christ died for …aren’t they the one making Christ of no value to those yet weak and without strength?

so to me the question remains: how is one who is weak called “one Christ died for”?

Anyone who believes and obeys the Gospel is one for whom Christ died.

“believes” and “obeys” the Gospel…this is the one Christ died for. Consider what Paul said if he harmed one who was weak …before that saying “not all have this knowledge” …but YET this Paul considered the weaker one as “one Christ died for”; regardless of whether or not the weaker brother fell into “not all have this knowledge”. Yet you suggest there must be “belief” while (unless I’ve misunderstood the passage) Paul contrast “must believe” with “weak in knowledge and afraid to eat”

A question then
Did Christ die for those “All” in “not All have this knowledge”?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

What gets wrongly rooted up is the wheat, not Christ. Christ can't be rooted up.

good point about Christ can’t be rooted up. But that leads to a question…

What is the tares root?
What is the the wheats root?

Considering your good point that Christ can’t be rooted up…to me that is the point of “let them grow up together, as not to root up the wheat” I still think it is Christ …the point being allowing the root which is Christ to grow and deeply be rooted; so that one who is weak be made strong (in Christ). Then I see your point …what is planted in Christ can’t be rooted up.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

What gets wrongly rooted up is the wheat, not Christ. Christ can't be rooted up.

(See the above post) but also consider the parable of then the evil one comes and steals (catches) away the word sown in the heart. Preventing others from hearing.

Then there are the fowls…
And the thorns which choke out the word..

Luke 8:13 TLB - ¹³ The stony ground represents those who enjoy listening to sermons, but somehow the message never really gets through to them and doesn’t take root and grow

let them grow together … that you don’t root up the wheat? Luke 8:15 TLB
"But the good soil represents honest, good-hearted people. They listen to God's words and cling to them and steadily spread them to others …who also soon believe."

Do you disagree, The seed is the message of Christ, which provides for a strengthened; made strong root? You said “what gets wrongly rooted up is the wheat, not Christ” disagree because—isn’t Christ THE message prevented? where Paul said if you destroy your brother for whom Christ Died, you sin against Christ. To me as being “wrongly” rooted up; sinning against Christ. It doesn’t say: if you destroy your brother for whom Christ died…you wrongly root up wheat, so sinning against the wheat. But instead ‘wrongly’ what was planted of God ‘the message’ gets rooted up along with the tares.

: to destroy and do harm to one who is weak… is to destroy(root up) up that which was planted of God; “one who Christ died for”.

^see “for whom Christ died for” >that weak one Paul sat with, one whom Paul referred to as one meat could destroy him …that one “whom Christ died for”—the “whom Christ died for” being what was planted of God in >that one who was weak in faith…Christ died for. Does God pull up “whom Christ died for”? Even weak in faith? To me that is what is planted of God…the message of whom Christ died for.

Isn’t that what the evil one does? he comes to steal away the word planted; before it has time to grow. Come to steal and Pluck up, the message; “whom Christ died for”; before it can grow? Why? Why does the evil one want to destroy-prevent-root up-steal away the words of God—the message of “whom Christ died for”?

 

[Charlie24]

The reason Jesus told the slothful minister not to bother trying to weed out the tares from the wheat, is because he wasn't doing what was necessary to prevent their rising up in the local church in the first place.

If a pastor is not going to preach against works of the flesh faith aloners, or against holier-than-thou Pentecosters, then he won't know how to start doing so, once they raise their ugly heads among the saints.

Robert, it's not the responsibility of the pastor to uproot the tares!

If you notice, Christ said to let the tares grow until the harvest, in other words, the resurrection, the tares will be uprooted.

It is Christ that uproots the tares! The pastor has no authority to cast anyone into hell, that's what uprooting the tares means in that parable. He will take care of the tares in His timing, not the pastor. The pastor is to teach and preach sound doctrine.

Problems in the church with certain individuals are to be taken care of the way the Master Church Builder said. Warn them, if that doesn't work, bring them before the Church elders with another warning and no longer associate with them. But continue to acknowledge them as a brother or sister.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Addressing the topic of the thread with a question: if you had a huge field —which you put everything into—and someone warned in a couple years it was going to catch fire but the good news is: the crops with a strong root will make it through.

would you
spend time sifting through the huge field for weak roots and spend your time removing those plants?

or would you
plant a crop with stronger roots…even take time to tend to the weak roots so they become strong?

maybe that is a bad example. But for me it helps with what would be unprofitable time consumption, or what would be profitable concerning the field and the crop planted. If this were the case…

 

[Enoch111]

so to me the question remains: how is one who is weak called “one Christ died for”?

This is not the same question which you had asked earlier. There are genuine Christians who are also weak. That does not make them any less saved. But they are to make themselves strong, not continue in weakness.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

This is not the same question which you had asked earlier. There are genuine Christians who are also weak. That does not make them any less saved. But they are to make themselves strong, not continue in weakness.

can you define “weak”

can you define “strong” ?

 

[Davy]

The reason Jesus told the slothful minister not to bother trying to weed out the tares from the wheat, is because he wasn't doing what was necessary to prevent their rising up in the local church in the first place.

If a pastor is not going to preach against works of the flesh faith aloners, or against holier-than-thou Pentecosters, then he won't know how to start doing so, once they raise their ugly heads among the saints.

You are 'trying' to talk about Christ's parable of the tares of the field of Matthew 13. Later in that chapter Lord Jesus revealed what those parable symbols mean, thus explainging... the parable to His disciples.

the Sower = "He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man" (Matthew 13:17)

the Field = "The field is the world;"

the good seed = "the good seed are the children of the kingdom,"

the tares = "but the tares are the children of the wicked one;"

the sower of the tares = "The enemy that sowed them is the devil;"

the Harvest = "the harvest is the end of the world;"

the Reapers = "and the reapers are the angels."

the tares are cast into the fire = "As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world." (which this world officially ends after Christ's future "thousand years" reign and the GWT Judgment happens).

Just as we are shown early on in Genesis 3, this present world was setup for spiritual warfare between God's people that He sowed, and the devil's children which he sowed.

God speaking to the serpent (Satan) in Genesis 3...

Gen 3:15
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
KJV

In the parable, Lord Jesus is saying to leave the 'tares' alone. Why? because if you go after them you might also by mistake get some of the good seed along with them, because literal 'tares' in wheat look JUST LIKE REAL WHEAT WHILE GROWING. Only once the tares reach their final state do they emit black buds on their ends so you can tell they are tares, and not wheat. That is why the tares are not separated from the wheat until both are fully grown and it's time to harvest the wheat.

Jesus said you'll know them by their works, and that is what we are supposed to do until the Harvest.

 

[Enoch111]

can you define “weak”

For the present we need to stick with the context of 1 Corinthians 8 which is dealing with the issue of foods offered to idols. So when we look at verse 7, what is presented in plain English is this: New Living Translation
However, not all believers know this. Some are accustomed to thinking of idols as being real, so when they eat food that has been offered to idols, they think of it as the worship of real gods, and their weak consciences are violated.

Corinth was a major center of idolatry in those days, and for pagans the idols represent actual living gods. But when these pagans got converted, they did not automatically become strong, mature Christians. So while they were developing spiritually they still had the consciousness that those idols were real gods. Which meant that if other Christians (who thought nothing of eating food sacrificed to idols) ate the food sacrificed to the idol, they were committing a sin. Thus when these new converts went along with this "sinful eating" (for whatever reason) their conscience was troubled. In this sense they were "weak in the faith". Therefore Paul told those who were "strong" (knew that the idols were nothing) to make sure they took this matter seriously, and refrained from eating such food. This would be showing genuine Christian love to the ones for whom Christ had died.

The fundamental principle here is that if a believer has scruples about any practice (which in itself may be harmless) the stronger Christian must always accommodate the weaker Christian, and avoid causing offence. For example if a Jew or a Muslim becomes a Christian, it becomes the responsibility of Gentile Christians to avoid pork and bacon when they are invited to a meal. If a Hindu or Buddhist becomes a Christian, this then applies to foods offered to Hindu or Buddhist idols, and should be totally shunned.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

A tare is a full grown tare, not a shoot that may be wheat or a tare. The tares never become wheat, which is why in the end, they will be finally rooted up.

That is why in the end the tares are finally rooted up. Not a bad thing in my opinion but I’m guessing we see what is finally rooted up differently.

I get a tare doesn’t become wheat. Same as none are justified by works of the flesh, least any have cause to boast. To me that differentiates between what is flesh, and what is Spirit. I’m not trying to make out like one becomes the other, and the other becomes the one. But instead “a new creation”?

To me it helps to think of the pots in the potters hand; one vessel marred and unto dishonor. YET as God sees fit to make another vessel (what we call a new birth) (or salvation) created unto honor… who are we to judge this …one vessel (first)unto dishonor, another(Last) (a new birth)unto honour…

we say “the tares” are the marred vessels which the potter gets rid of. Maybe we don’t own that connection, but still at every turn, it is “those tares” “those vessels” which are destroyed. Jeremiah 18, connects “vessels” “rooted up” The topic of the thread. “Weeding”

to me this speaks of what is first is flesh (an earthly vessel), and that which was Last is (an Heavenly vessel) created for and by the Spirit of God unto honour. So no, I’m not saying or trying to suggest tares become wheat but instead; 1 Corinthians 15:49 AMP - ⁴⁹ Just as we have borne the image of the earthly [the man of dust], we will also bear the image of the heavenly [the Man of heaven].

tares and wheat?
First and last; the last Will become first, and the first Last

Faith aloners never become wheat, until they repent of sinning, which is not possible until they first repent of believing they are saved and justified by their own faith alone, while still sinning against Christ.

“Faith aloners never become wheat, until they repent from sinning.” Somewhat agree that Faith alone never becomes wheat until a changed mind …it is “repent” I’m unsure of as man’s definition isn’t a changed mind…but instead a receptive repentance over and over and over and over, and still, death says it is not enough. Repeat it, repent again…