Why the great chain?

[Spiritual Israelite]

You keep proving my point with respect to your understanding of the scriptures

You are being foolish. How am I proving your point when you don't even know how I understand the scriptures due to not being able to comprehend what I have said that I believe, as you have proven by misrepresenting my beliefs with your questions and comments?

I showed you a passage that I don't spiritualize and take literally and use to support my beliefs and you just ignore that and you'd rather just falsely accuse me of having beliefs that are based on spiritualizing scripture. No, my beliefs are based on clear, straightforward scriptures that I use to help understand more difficult passages.

 

[Jay Ross]

You are being foolish. How am I proving your point when you don't even know how I understand the scriptures due to not being able to comprehend what I have said that I believe, as you have proven by misrepresenting my beliefs with your questions and comments?

Then explain the parables of the Talents and Minas from the point of your understanding to clear up my supposed misunderstanding.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Then explain the parables of the Talents and Minas from the point of your understanding to clear up my supposed misunderstanding.

I would do that if I thought you would understand what I was telling you, but I have no confidence that you will since you have so badly misrepresented my view already. So, no, thanks. I'd rather talk to people who have reading comprehension skills.

 

[Jay Ross]

So, no, thanks. I'd rather talk to people who have reading comprehension skills.

Oh, your usual put down of others. That speaks louder than you providing your understanding of the Parable of the Talents and the Minas. It just shows that you are the one with the lack of the reading comprehension skills.

So, I will let you off the hook.

 

[William Barton]

Pinseeker noted:
<Satan thrown down>

This is noted in Ezekiel 28:11-19. It is directed at the King of Tyre and also at his advocate Satan, a cherub who had been in Eden.

 

[PinSeeker]

Pinseeker noted:
<Satan thrown down>

This is noted in Ezekiel 28:11-19.

I’m well aware of where it is. But i disagree, and strongly so, obviously, regarding to whom it is directed.

It is directed at the King of Tyre…

And explicitly so, yes. Tyre became a symbol of pride, wealth, and arrogance in the prophetic books, and we see that here. Tyre here symbolizes human pride, self-sufficiency, and material power opposed to God, and the king of Tyre epitomizes all of that.

…and also at his advocate Satan…

This I disagree with; it is actually… well I wouldn’t say “directed at,” but rather… well, two things, 1) a warning… to all of us, because it is a statement about Adam, really, after the Fall of Genesis 3, who, with Eve, of course, was cast out of Eden because of his sin, and about all of us in our natural state as his progeny, so the natural human condition and that we should not remain in that state, and 2) a great promise to us that he will gather us in security, both temporally and in eternity… which is His great promise to His people, the Gospel of Christ, of peace.

Grace and peace to you in the matchless name of Christ Jesus, William.

 

[quietthinker]

Why the great chain?​

'Great chain' is a metaphor for the inability to tempt humans because there are no humans to temp. They are either with Jesus after the second coming or they are dead.
Satan's domain is now a ruined Earth.....a world where ruin and misery are the result of policies of might is right, policies he has given birth to and pursued. They will eventually destroy him also.

 

[ewq1938]

Why the great chain?​

'Great chain' is a metaphor for the inability to tempt humans because there are no humans to temp. They are either with Jesus after the second coming or they are dead.

Not according to Rev 20. The chain and imprisonment is designed so he cannot deceive the nations. If they were dead or gone no imprisonment would be needed.

 

[quietthinker]

Not according to Rev 20. The chain and imprisonment is designed so he cannot deceive the nations. If they were dead or gone no imprisonment would be needed.

'imprisonment' or 'chain' are used interchangeably ...a bit like, locked door and incarceration or having a wash or a bath.
Imprisonment and chain also reveal his range of movement is limited to this Earth; the territory he usurped through deception.
Satan and his entourage will have time (1000 years) to contemplate the ruin their rule (kingdom) has resulted in.

 

[ewq1938]

'imprisonment' or 'chain' are used interchangeably

Rev 20 does not use them interchangeably. It's like being wrapped by a chain, and then locked in a prison cell. Both control the person but they are two different methods.

Imprisonment and chain also reveal his range of movement is limited to this Earth; t

No, the prison is inside of the Earth is some sense since the angel comes from heaven to the Earth to open it. The nations are on the Earth but satan is cast into the prison to protect them.

Satan and his entourage will have time (1000 years) to contemplate the ruin their rule (kingdom) has resulted in.

No, they won't rule anything during the Mill because of being in that prison. They will not have access to the Earth at all during the imprisonment.

 

[William Barton]

Satan is a cherub. Angels and cherubim have bodies. So Satan can be constrained by a chain.

He cannot be constrained by a metaphor.

 

[quietthinker]

Satan is a cherub. Angels and cherubim have bodies. So Satan can be constrained by a chain.

He cannot be constrained by a metaphor.

The parables Jesus told were all metaphors; the purpose being to make a point.
Would you apply your rational to Jesus parables?

 

[William Barton]

The parables Jesus told were all metaphors; the purpose being to make a point.
Would you apply your rational to Jesus parables?

Search your internet "Satan chained metaphor." People's understanding of Bible prophecy varies widely.

 

[PinSeeker]

Search your internet "Satan chained metaphor."

Same to you, William. Same to you.

People's understanding of Bible prophecy varies widely.

Indeed.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[William Barton]

In this context IMO it is also directed at the King's advocate Satan. C.f. Luke 22:3, John 13:27, 1Peter 5:8.

 

[William Barton]

The parables Jesus told were all metaphors; the purpose being to make a point.
Would you apply your rational to Jesus parables?

Are you familiar with the logical fallacy "straw man argument"?

 

[PinSeeker]

In this context IMO it is also directed at the King's advocate Satan. C.f. Luke 22:3, John 13:27, 1Peter 5:8.

Okay, fair enough. I would just say that those who are not of God are of their father the devil, and their will is to do his will, as Jesus says in John 6, explicitly in John 8, and John 10. Antichrists, as John speaks of them in 1 John 2. I say this as if it is no big deal or something, but that's not the case; it is no mere thing.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[quietthinker]

Are you familiar with the logical fallacy "straw man argument"?

English and Hebrew ways of expression vary. Some familiarity of/ with this goes a long way in understanding intention.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Revelation 20
1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

If this is literal and satan is locked and sealed in the abyss why would there even be a need for a great chain?

What is the purpose of the great chain?

What is the great chain?

Sorry I am so late in joining in this conversation.

But why the Great chain? Because it says god orders it! We can philosophize all day long as to why. but as Scripture doesn't answer that, to ponder it is a futile waste of time.

 

[William Barton]

A great chain binds Satan in Revelation 20:1-3. Presumably it is a metal chain.