Why will God end our world?

[Timtofly]

This is what is called not being able to put the factoids together. Of course the Fire that destroys the world in Peter's Epistle happens after the 1000 year reign, and is the same one mentioned in Revelation 6. The Holy Spirt doesn't have tp spell everything out to the nth degree else the bible would have been to big to read.

Nope. One fire consumes humans. The other consumes the works of mankind.

Tell me what ungodly works need to be destroyed after Jesus reigns on earth for 1,000 years without sin and wickedness?

 

[Truth7t7]

Fire does not destroy the world in Revelation 20:9. Read it again.

"And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."

Fire only destroyed those who marched across the earth, nothing else.

The fire of 2 Peter 3 is here in Revelation 6:12-17; the Second Coming:

"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Notice that no humans were consumed by fire, yet this is the time when all mankind's works are burned up. Heaven dissolves like a scroll being rolled up. All the stars come to earth. The only place to hide are in caves or under all the rubble. Only intense fires all over the earth can cause the sun and moon to appear that way.

"But the day of the Lord will come"

Jesus comes to earth to start the Day of the Lord. That day with the Lord known as the Millennial Reign.

"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

They are hiding out like Revelation 6 declares, not consumed by fire, but mourning. Now back to your so called "second coming" where only humans are consumed by fire, and nothing else. This is two separate and unrelated events. They do not even have the same outcomes. One has all those humans being burned up, the other only man's works are burned up, no humans at all.

You suggestion that the day of the lord is1,000 years isn't found in scripture

When Jesus Christ returns its (The End)

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[teamventure]

Nope. One fire consumes humans. The other consumes the works of mankind.

Tell me what ungodly works need to be destroyed after Jesus reigns on earth for 1,000 years without sin and wickedness?

Hmmm. Well scripture alludes to people still sinning during the millenial reign because it tells that some will refuse to go to the yearly feast and the Lord will judge their crops that year.

 

[Timtofly]

You suggestion that the day of the lord is1,000 years isn't found in scripture

When Jesus Christ returns its (The End)

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

The verse does not say the Second Coming is the end.

You are removing "then cometh" and inserting "is".

You are the one ignoring "then cometh". Jesus reigns for 1,000 years to hand back a glorious kingdom. There is also 1992 years between "Christ the firstfruits" and "afterward they that are Christ's at his coming".

Three times Jesus presents the redeemed to God:

1) At the Resurrection and the Cross.
2) At the Second Coming.
3) At the end of the Millennial Kingdom, known as the Day of The Lord.

Amil disregard the presentation at the end of the Millennium reign. They lump it in with the Second Coming, not even allowing billions of future humans to even be born. Paul did not say the Second Coming is the end. There is an order to Paul's conclusion about being in Christ.

The OT redeemed were presented first. The NT church is presented at the Second Coming. The Millennial Kingdom of billions of righteous is presented just prior to the GWT. That is when Jesus hands the Kingdom back to God.

No where in Scripture does Jesus hand God a burnt sacrifice. Unless you have a verse in Hebrews, God does not take pleasure in burnt sacrifices. At least not after the Cross and the Lamb of God. Perhaps in the OT economy they were a sweet savor, but we are not in the OT economy.

 

[Truth7t7]

The verse does not say the Second Coming is the end.

You are removing "then cometh" and inserting "is".

You are the one ignoring "then cometh". Jesus reigns for 1,000 years to hand back a glorious kingdom. There is also 1992 years between "Christ the firstfruits" and "afterward they that are Christ's at his coming".

Three times Jesus presents the redeemed to God:

1) At the Resurrection and the Cross.
2) At the Second Coming.
3) At the end of the Millennial Kingdom, known as the Day of The Lord.

Amil disregard the presentation at the end of the Millennium reign. They lump it in with the Second Coming, not even allowing billions of future humans to even be born. Paul did not say the Second Coming is the end. There is an order to Paul's conclusion about being in Christ.

The OT redeemed were presented first. The NT church is presented at the Second Coming. The Millennial Kingdom of billions of righteous is presented just prior to the GWT. That is when Jesus hands the Kingdom back to God.

No where in Scripture does Jesus hand God a burnt sacrifice. Unless you have a verse in Hebrews, God does not take pleasure in burnt sacrifices. At least not after the Cross and the Lamb of God. Perhaps in the OT economy they were a sweet savor, but we are not in the OT economy.

Sorry, when Jesus returns its(The End)

The resurrection takes place, death is swallowed up in victory, eternity begins

 

[Truth7t7]

Hmmm. Well scripture alludes to people still sinning during the millenial reign because it tells that some will refuse to go to the yearly feast and the Lord will judge their crops that year.

Zechariah 14:16 Who Will Be Left Of The Nations?

You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord

You will closely note in Isaiah 4:4 below, Jerusalem will be purged by the spirit of (Judgement) & (Burning)

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Only The Righteous Are Left, The Book Of Life "Was" Opened (Every One That Is Written Among The Living)

Zechariah 14:16KJV
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isaiah 4:3-4KJV
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

Revelation 21:24-27KJV
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

 

[Timtofly]

Hmmm. Well scripture alludes to people still sinning during the millenial reign because it tells that some will refuse to go to the yearly feast and the Lord will judge their crops that year.

A national refusal is not the disobedience of every one in the nation. But if the leaders are instantly killed, they will have to elect leaders who represent them properly. God punishes the whole nation for a period of time.

There is a difference between national disobedience and personal disobedience. Sin entered the world because of Adam's disobedience. Adam was allowed to live in a dead corruptible body, that only generated more sin. That will not happen in the Millennium. Disobedience will not be the means of sin entering the world. An act of disobedience is literal death, not just continuing to live on earth in a dead state like we currently do.

 

[Timtofly]

Sorry, when Jesus returns its(The End)

The resurrection takes place, death is swallowed up in victory, eternity begins

Sorry, you are wrong. Revelation 20 proves you are wrong. The last 1992 years prove you are wrong. Time will happen. All 8,000 years of existence will happen. But keep preaching your own gospel. Some will unfortunately listen and be led astray.

 

[amigo de christo]

God will end the demise that man began . Mankind was the one that through disobediance had brought the curse upon the earth .
All evil would follow . one day HE will destroy the old and there shall be new heavens and a new earth .
IN the meantime folks better hurry and run to Christ so as they can be forever with the glorious LORD
and not under the wrath and destruction that Will come .

 

[Truth7t7]

A national refusal is not the disobedience of every one in the nation. But if the leaders are instantly killed, they will have to elect leaders who represent them properly. God punishes the whole nation for a period of time.

There is a difference between national disobedience and personal disobedience. Sin entered the world because of Adam's disobedience. Adam was allowed to live in a dead corruptible body, that only generated more sin. That will not happen in the Millennium. Disobedience will not be the means of sin entering the world. An act of disobedience is literal death, not just continuing to live on earth in a dead state like we currently do.

No such thing as a Millennium on this earth found in scripture, it's a fabricated man made fairy tale

 

[teamventure]

A national refusal is not the disobedience of every one in the nation. But if the leaders are instantly killed, they will have to elect leaders who represent them properly. God punishes the whole nation for a period of time.

There is a difference between national disobedience and personal disobedience. Sin entered the world because of Adam's disobedience. Adam was allowed to live in a dead corruptible body, that only generated more sin. That will not happen in the Millennium. Disobedience will not be the means of sin entering the world. An act of disobedience is literal death, not just continuing to live on earth in a dead state like we currently do.

Ah, thanks for the clarification. I will read it again to gain a deeper understanding.
Shalom!

 

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[Enoch111]

Why will God end our world?

Because He desires to establish a New Heavens and a New Earth wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[Enoch111]

All this comes during "a time, times, and half a time", which is all of time divided into two different times: the times of Israel and those born of the flesh, and the times of the gentiles and those born of the Spirit.

Sorry, but a time (1 year), times (2 years) and half a time (6 months) = 3 1/2 years assigned to the Antichrist. This is also expressed as 1260 days or 42 months (each prophetic month being of 30 days). See Daniel and Revelation.

And there was given unto him [the Antichrist, the Little Horn, the Beast, the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition] a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (Rev 13:5)

This is the exact period of time during which Moses and Elijah will be on earth, preaching from Jerusalem to bring many to Christ. See Revelation 11.

 

[ScottA]

Sorry, but a time (1 year), times (2 years) and half a time (6 months) = 3 1/2 years assigned to the Antichrist. This is also expressed as 1260 days or 42 months (each prophetic month being of 30 days). See Daniel and Revelation.

And there was given unto him [the Antichrist, the Little Horn, the Beast, the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition] a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (Rev 13:5)

This is the exact period of time during which Moses and Elijah will be on earth, preaching from Jerusalem to bring many to Christ. See Revelation 11.

Believe what you want, but "weeks" is a variable term meaning "sevens" in a variety of applications regarding the mysteries of God's use of times to reveal all that is written about which there is no time except with men and their lowly state. "Sevens" is rather a reference to God and his fullness, that fullness before His rest, which is only translated into the worldly term of times, times that are of men and of the world, but with God are not.

Such things are not defined by men, but must be spiritual discerned.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Nope. One fire consumes humans. The other consumes the works of mankind.

Tell me what ungodly works need to be destroyed after Jesus reigns on earth for 1,000 years without sin and wickedness?

Both happen at the same time, the Rev. 6 fires are JUDGMENTS against the nation, not final judgments against humans. Mankind and Humans get burnt up at the end, not at the Trumpet Judgments per se, some humans gets killed in the flesh, but not in the Spirit.