Why you don't have to speak in tongues - Or do you?

[GodsGrace]

Really?

LOL

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Oh for goodness sake SS
Let's look again:

"Tongues is just a gift....one of the many.

I don't mean JUST a gift....I mean ONLY one of the gifts.
I think they're all important."

See, the above is from post 172.

You see what you want to see.


@MA2444 be nice.

 

[David in NJ]

Yeah but do you have an AR15? They're only like 4 or 5oo bucks now!

Not yet!
Soon as i move out of NJ

 

[quietthinker]

St. SteVen said:
We have lost so much ground spiritually in the church.
And typically those who run after prophets have no spiritual discernment of their own.

The easy practical advice would be to "go with your gut."
Or develop your spiritual ears by actually talking to God. (horrors)

I guess that should be obvious.
How does that apply to prophets who ARE speaking from God?
Can you separate the wheat from the chaff?

Or, do you take the position that there are no prophets that speak from God today? (read my signature line verse)

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The same principle applies to all. The energies of all who know God will be used to highlight the Saviour, to point people to and give encouragement.

 

[St. SteVen]

Oh for goodness sake SS
Let's look again:

"Tongues is just a gift....one of the many.

I don't mean JUST a gift....I mean ONLY one of the gifts.
I think they're all important."

See, the above is from post 172.

You see what you want to see.


@MA2444 be nice.

Exact quote.

I think I said that's all I had to say.

LOL

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[GodsGrace]

Exact quote.

LOL

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Are you a woman?
You want the last word?

You could have it.

But you DID NOT read my post properly.

I have 2 choices here:

1. Never post to you again because you're too precise.
2. Be absolutely precise when I post to you.

Let's see:

 

[face2face]

There is a level of ignorance in this thread which is astounding.

Indeed, the signs of an apostle were performed among you with great perseverance by signs and wonders and powerful deeds 2 Cor 12:2

If every believer in Christ was equipped with the ability to perform signs, wonders, and miracles, then signs, wonders, and miracles could in no way be the identifying marks of an apostle.

Acts 2:22 tells us that Jesus was “accredited” by “miracles, wonders, and signs.” Similarly, the apostles were “marked” as genuine messengers from God by the miracles they performed. Acts 14:3 describes the gospel message being “confirmed” by the miracles Paul and Barnabas performed.

So were ordinary believers given those gifts? In such cases was it the exception, or the rule?

Failing to recognize the complexity of this issue is problematic, especially considering the lack of historical evidence for spiritual gifts beyond the second generation of believers.

F2F

 

[St. SteVen]

But you DID NOT read my post properly.

Perhaps you didn't write it properly?

I have 2 choices here:

1. Never post to you again because you're too precise.
2. Be absolutely precise when I post to you.

Now you admit not writing it properly. - LOL

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[GodsGrace]

Perhaps you didn't write it properly?

Now you admit not writing it properly. - LOL

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No.
You're WORSE than a woman!!

I adjusted what I had written instead of deleting and rewriting.

You neglected to read the entire post properly.

OK your turn.

I AM a woman.
I could go on forever.
LOL
♡

 

[GodsGrace]

There is a level of ignorance in this thread which is astounding.

Indeed, the signs of an apostle were performed among you with great perseverance by signs and wonders and powerful deeds 2 Cor 12:2

If every believer in Christ was equipped with the ability to perform signs, wonders, and miracles, then signs, wonders, and miracles could in no way be the identifying marks of an apostle.

Acts 2:22 tells us that Jesus was “accredited” by “miracles, wonders, and signs.” Similarly, the apostles were “marked” as genuine messengers from God by the miracles they performed. Acts 14:3 describes the gospel message being “confirmed” by the miracles Paul and Barnabas performed.

So were ordinary believers given those gifts? In such cases was it the exception, or the rule?

Failing to recognize the complexity of this issue is problematic, especially considering the lack of historical evidence for spiritual gifts beyond the second generation of believers.

F2F

But there are miracles even today.
But you're right that they cannot be attributed to specific priests, pastors, etc.
As you've stated.

But are you saying that gifts have ceased?
Sorry....haven't been following along.

 

[face2face]

But there are miracles even today.
But you're right that they cannot be attributed to specific priests, pastors, etc.
As you've stated.

But are you saying that gifts have ceased?
Sorry....haven't been following along.

This is a challenging topic, one that can discourage sincere believers who long for spiritual gifts and may even believe they possess them, like @David in NJ. Can he speak in multiple languages at will? No. Can he raise someone from the dead? No. Can he give prophetic utterances and allow others to test him to verify if he is truly a prophet? The answer is no.

What is unfolding in this discussion mirrors what happened during the time of the prophets, when people claimed, "I've had a vision from the Lord," or "I've done this or that in His Name," yet God responded, "I did not send them!"

The purpose of the spiritual gifts was to help the Gospel take root and spread throughout the earth. Once that had been achieved the gifts ceased.

F2F

 

[David in NJ]

This is a challenging topic, one that can discourage sincere believers who long for spiritual gifts and may even believe they possess them, like @David in NJ. Can he speak in multiple languages at will? No. Can he raise someone from the dead? No. Can he give prophetic utterances and allow others to test him to verify if he is truly a prophet? The answer is no.

What is unfolding in this discussion mirrors what happened during the time of the prophets, when people claimed, "I've had a vision from the Lord," or "I've done this or that in His Name," yet God responded, "I did not send them!"

The purpose of the spiritual gifts was to help the Gospel take root and spread throughout the earth. Once that had been achieved the gifts ceased.

F2F

i never knew you had such unbelief and animosity against "It is written" in the Holy Scriptures!!!

FYI - It is only "challenging" to those who rely on human intellect.

 

[face2face]

i never knew you had such unbelief and animosity against "It is written" in the Holy Scriptures!!!

FYI - It is only "challenging" to those who rely on human intellect.

I was expecting your many proofs, but all I received was a quote from Corinthians that you twisted to fit your own agenda.

You conveniently ignore the part that says, "They will cease"!

 

[face2face]

I remember buying a car from an Evangelical Christian many years ago, and the first thing he told me was, "I've got the Holy Spirit and can speak in tongues." I asked him, "What languages have you spoken in?" to which he responded, "We speak in a language that no one understands, only those who speak it can interpret."

I left that man in his own ignorance and self-deception.

The mind’s devices have no limits!

F2F

 

[David in NJ]

I was hoping for your many proofs and all I got was a Corinthians quote which you wrested to suit your own end.

"They will cease" is the text you ignore!

i POSTED the EXACT scriptures which you falsely claim that i am ignoring.

From my Post #133

1 Corinthians 13:8-12
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be restrained; where there is knowledge, it will be dismissed. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when the perfect comes, the partial passes away.

11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I set aside childish ways.
12Now we see but a dim reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face.
Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.


From Post #142

God established the Gifts for the Bride of Christ for Her DURATION until She is "Face to Face" with Her Husband, the LORD Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:4-9
thank my God always concerning you for the grace of God which was given to you by Christ Jesus, 5that you were enriched in everything by Him in all utterance and all knowledge, 6even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you, 7so that you come short in no gift, eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ, 8who will also confirm you to the end, that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

1Corinthians chapter 1 BEGINS with the God given DURATION of His Gifts for those who BELIEVE His words.
1 Corinthians chapters 13 and 14 REPEAT God given DURATION of His Gifts for those who BELIEVE His words.
Are going to HARDEN your heart against the Holy Spirit?

If you reject these words of God, then there is nothing else to show you since the Lord says not to waste time with UNBELIEF.

 

[face2face]

The primary purpose of the miraculous gifts was to prove that the gospel was true and that the apostles were truly God’s messengers.

There are believers today who desire to take the purpose of the gifts beyond what God intended.

Take @David in NJ position.

The gift of prophecy enabled believers to communicate new truth and revelation from God. Now that God’s revelation is complete in the Bible, the “revelatory” gifts are no longer needed as they were during the New Testament. While hidden wisdom can be revealed to those who prayerfully seek truth there is no knew message required for us to work out our salvation with trembling and fear.

The redundancy of the gifts occurred over time as the Gospel gained acceptance and the written Word became more prolific. Modern Christians seek for signs.

It's a terrible mess they have themselves in and only Christ can correct this.

Gift promotors do not acknowledge the two main reasons for the gifts - this in itself should provide alarms bells!

F2F

 

[David in NJ]

The primary purpose of the miraculous gifts was to prove that the gospel was true and that the apostles were truly God’s messengers.

There are believers today who desire to take the purpose of the gifts beyond what God intended.

Take @David in NJ position.

The gift of prophecy enabled believers to communicate new truth and revelation from God. Now that God’s revelation is complete in the Bible, the “revelatory” gifts are no longer needed as they were during the New Testament. While hidden wisdom can be revealed to those who prayerfully seek truth there is no knew message required for us to work out our salvation with trembling and fear.

The redundancy of the gifts occurred over time as the Gospel gained acceptance and the written Word became more prolific. Modern Christians seek for signs.

It's a terrible mess they have themselves in and only Christ can correct this.

Gift promotors do not acknowledge the two main reasons for the gifts - this in itself should provide alarms bells!

F2F

The primary purposes of God bestowing His Gifts upon His Bride:

#1 - To show that HIS Love is upon us and we BELONG to HIM.
#2 - To offer UP Special Prayer and Praise that only God knows = Private love talk between Husband and Wife
#3 - To be a Witness to unbelievers, especially unbelieving Jews
#4 - To make us a peculiar people unto Himself
#5 - To encourage the individual Believer
#6 - To encourage others
#7 - It pleases God


When we are "Face to Face" with the LORD, there will be no more need of the 'Gifts'.

 

[face2face]

The primary purposes of God bestowing His Gifts upon His Bride:

#1 - To show that HIS Love is upon us and we BELONG to HIM.
#2 - To offer UP Special Prayer and Praise that only God knows = Private love talk between Husband and Wife
#3 - To be a Witness to unbelievers, especially unbelieving Jews
#4 - To make us a peculiar people unto Himself
#5 - To encourage the individual Believer
#6 - To encourage others
#7 - It pleases God


When we are "Face to Face" with the LORD, there will be no more need of the 'Gifts'.

Wow so even in this response you ignore the two main reasons given for the gifts.
A hardening?
F2F

 

[face2face]

The primary purposes of God bestowing His Gifts upon His Bride:

#1 - To show that HIS Love is upon us and we BELONG to HIM.
#2 - To offer UP Special Prayer and Praise that only God knows = Private love talk between Husband and Wife
#3 - To be a Witness to unbelievers, especially unbelieving Jews
#4 - To make us a peculiar people unto Himself
#5 - To encourage the individual Believer
#6 - To encourage others
#7 - It pleases God


When we are "Face to Face" with the LORD, there will be no more need of the 'Gifts'.

14:22 So then, tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers. Prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers 1 Co 14:22.

Language was a significant issue for many Gentiles from different parts of the world who needed to quickly interpret the Gospel in order to spread the message without the delays caused by language barriers.

Once the Gospel had spread to every language, this gift was no longer necessary and became redundant.

If you believe that incoherent babbling is what God intended for His people, you are mistaken. God is not a God of confusion, as you may suggest.

F2F

 

[face2face]

God is showing you no new thing! Moses was enabled to perform miracles to authenticate his ministry before Pharaoh (Exodus 4:1–8). Elijah was given miracles to authenticate his ministry before Ahab (1 Kings 17:1; 18:24). The apostles were given miracles to authenticate their ministry before Israel (Acts 4:10, 16).

@David in NJ why is it so difficult for you to acknowledge this?

 

[David in NJ]

14:22 So then, tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers. Prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers 1 Co 14:22.


If you believe that incoherent babbling is what God intended for His people, you are mistaken. God is not a God of confusion, as you may suggest.

F2F

Point #3 on my list = "for unbelievers"

Once the Gospel had spread to every language, this gift was no longer necessary and became redundant.

Flawed human reasoning that opposes(unbelief) the Truth.

If you believe that incoherent babbling is what God intended for His people, you are mistaken.

Flawed human reasoning that opposes(unbelief) the Truth.

God DELIGHTS in His Gift of Tongues that unbelievers call "gibberish"

Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, 24but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.