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Will Antichrist Rule From Here

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Christina, Aug 6, 2007.

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    1 John 2:18 18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. There is no such person as THE antichrist of the end-time. The are many who are/were antichrist - even in John's time (1st century)1 John 2:22 "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."Anyone who denies that Christ is the Messiah - is antichrist.1 John 4:3 "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."Even spirit-beings and religions inspired by these spirit-beings who will not bow to Christ as the Messiah - are anti-christ. And any philosophy (spirit/attitude) denying that Christ is Messiah and lord, is anti-christ.2 John 1:7 "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. "In the first century there were many who denied that Jesus was THE Messiah. These were antichrist.The above are the only scriptures in the Bible regarding "antichrist". Its confusing to speak of an end-time wicked one as THE Antichrist. There will be a Beast, and there will be a False Prophet. But there will not be AN Antichrist.
     
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    There is no such person as THE antichrist of the end-time. The are many who are/were antichrist - even in John's time (1st century)
    Right on.
    Its confusing to speak of an end-time wicked one as THE Antichrist. There will be a Beast, and there will be a False Prophet. But there will not be AN Antichrist.
    Correct, BUT, you speak of these as though they are coming in the future, when in fact the ten-horn beast; man of sin; son of perdition (those of Cain) are operating full speed in America even today. They've already exalted themselves above the European Americans, and above Jesus Christ, just as Paul said they would do in 11Thes.2.The "false prophet" ; the one who helped to put them on the path to exaltation, died in 1967. Both he and his people are celebrated more than any other people in America. The American government and it's leaders have in fact put that people on a pedistol above God.THAT'S what end-time scriptures are about, and the sctriptures says that, after these things occur Jesus Christ is coming back to this earth.
     
  3. ÐøÞÞlégäñgèr

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    Well truthsearcher I'm glad we agree on a few things. Certainly, God centers his word on his people. But also on his land which is undeniably Zion. Your to far to the right on your Anglo-Jewish views for me. And I don't think to many people here will agree with you. Not even Tim_from_PA on your British-Israelite views. Yes the two sticks will be joined. But Anti-christ is just that a Substitute-Deliverer. The desception is he will offer hope through signs and wonder as a substitute for Messiah. The false prophet and the image he makes is the anti-christ that is killed.
     
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    [QUOTE=ÐøÞÞlégäñgèr Your to far to the right on your Anglo-Jewish views for me. And I don't think to many people here will agree with you.
    I've been posting on Christian message boards for almost 10 years now, and warning fellow believers that the Antichrist theory is a lie. To date there is not one who has believed me. In fact, whenever I tell them who the man of sin; son of perdition is, I am almost always demonized and kicked off those boards.That is precisely what Paul says in 11Thes.2 about this Church generation. He says in verse 10,11 "......because they received not the love of the truth", that they might be saved. "for this cause" God shall send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie."That "lie", that "strong delusion" is "the Antichrist teaching".
     
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    Truthsearcheryou are so far off base no one here believes your misinterpretation of scripture we been through this before you cant even read one line without twisting it. Your delusional ideas aren't worth reply to.
     
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    Correct, BUT, you speak of these as though they are coming in the future, when in fact the ten-horn beast; man of sin; son of perdition (those of Cain) are operating full speed in America even today. They've already exalted themselves above the European Americans, and above Jesus Christ, just as Paul said they would do in 11Thes.2.The "false prophet" ; the one who helped to put them on the path to exaltation, died in 1967. Both he and his people are celebrated more than any other people in America. The American government and it's leaders have in fact put that people on a pedistol above God.THAT'S what end-time scriptures are about, and the sctriptures says that, after these things occur Jesus Christ is coming back to this earth.
    Dear truthsearcherI am too new around here to know the specifics as to what you are referring to.But I am going to take you at your name as a "truth-searcher."Whoever you believe the "false prophet" (religious leader) to have been, and whoever you see the Beast (civil leader) to be, and whoever you believe the ten-horns to be - are you prepared to state publicly that you MAY be wrong, and are willing to keep an open mind? Why I ask this is because there are many scriptures which require no interpretation. But prophecy is notoriously open to errors of interpretation. After all, all who have ever predicted that they were living in the end-times have been wrong up till now, as well as all predictions as to who the Beast, False Prophet, 2 witnesses etc.I know folks who are utterly convinced as to who the Beast is, and don't even change their minds when the guy dies. One I know thought it was Kofi Anan - don't know what he thinks now that Kofi no longer leader of the UN.So are you utterly convinced - in which case discussion of the issue will be very one sided?
     
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    That "lie", that "strong delusion" is "the Antichrist teaching"
    What do you think this son of perdition is going to do ... But decieve people? Isn't bowing down to a image of a Messiah, who claimed to be God, probably is related to Cain, anything but trying to deceive?
     
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    I'm thinking Javier Solana is the Anti-Christ ? He fits all the Criteria and is the Frontman for the Eu, the Revised Roman Empire!!!:bible:
     
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    The EU's Javier Solana - one smooth end times operatorby Michael G. Mickey(8-30-05)Shortly after I placed one of my recent commentaries online concerning the European Union's current and ever-growing role in pursuing peace in the Middle East, I received an e-mail from someone who wanted to know what I was implying in making so many references to the European Union's foreign policy chief, Doctor Javier Solana, in the commentary.While the obvious answer to his question is I refer to him so much because he is the European Union's High Representative for Common Foreign and Security Policy, I was struck by how utterly impossible it was, in the opinion of this reader, that a man like Solana could even possibly be considered to be a candidate to be revealed as the Antichrist in the prophetic future. Solana, according to the author of the e-mail, wasn't young, charming, or handsome enough to become the ultimate embodiment of human evil and the world's final global dictator leading up to the return of Jesus Christ.Solana, from this individual's perspective, is nothing but a has-been in international diplomacy - a man on his way out. Respectfully, I disagreed with that person's opinion in several follow-up e-mails wherein I addressed what I believe are some misperceptions many people have, both concerning the persona and appearance of the prophesied Antichrist, as well as the the diplomatic prowess of the revived Roman empire's current foreign policy chief, Javier Solana.Where did we get the idea that, when the Antichrist is ultimately revealed in the prophetic future, he will be found to be young, handsome, and exceedingly charming? The only Scriptures I can think of that possibly describe the physical appearance of the Antichrist is Daniel 7:20, which states his look will be "more stout" (or great) than his fellows, and Daniel 8:23, which refers to him as a "king of fierce countenance." Neither of these Scriptures lead me to think he will be a handsome young lad, but they do, on the other hand, lead me to believe he will be tenacious and very politically ambitious, even power hungry.What conclusions can we reach concerning the persona and appearance of the Antichrist, based on Bible prophecy?The prophesied Antichrist:*will be an intellectual capable of speaking great words (Daniel 7:20, Revelation 13:5).* will look more stout (or great) than his fellows (Daniel 7:20, Daniel 8:23).* will be a military genius (Daniel 8:24, Revelation 13:7).* will be an economic genius (Daniel 8:25).* will be a tactful diplomat capable of gathering many people to unite in action alongside him (Daniel 9:27).* will, ironically, be seen as a peacemaker initially (Daniel 8:25, Daniel 9:27).* will be exceedingly arrogant and self-worshipping, whether it seems so initially or not (Daniel 8:25, 2nd Thessalonians 2:4).* will despise both judens and Christians, which will not, in all likelihood, be apparent initially (Revelation 13:7, Zechariah 13:8-9, Revelation 12:17).Now, concerning the person of Javier Solana, could he, in theory, meet the criteria to be revealed as the Antichrist in the prophetic future? Sure! He's a former head of NATO and current head of the European Union's ten-nation military alliance, an intellectual who holds a doctorate in solid-state physics, an economics genius as demonstrated by his contributions to the World Economic Forum and numerous trade agreements he's played a prominent role in implementing on behalf of the EU, as well as a foreign policy expert in acting out his current role as the EU's High Representative. And what of Solana's personal diplomatic and communication skills? They're amazing, as I'm about to demonstrate.Referring back to the e-mail debate I had with a reader of my site concerning Solana as a potential candidate for the role of Antichrist for a moment before moving forward to address Solana's personal diplomatic and communication skills, the reader who e-mailed me stated one of the reasons Solana, in his opinion, could never be revealed to be the Antichrist is no one in Israel trusts him - a comment I said was baseless, offending my brother in Christ somewhat I fear, although that wasn't my intention.We know the Europeans and Solana are trusted by the Palestinians, but is Solana trusted by the Israeli government of Ariel Sharon? I believe I'm about to shock many people when I say this, but he absolutely is, as explicitly demonstrated by the following excerpt from a Haaretz article (emphasis added mine):Solana is one of the few foreign statesmen who really knows the Israeli political and security establishments. When he visits here, his schedule is always fully booked with meetings, interviews and informal conversations. Officials at Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's bureau consider him a key liaison to the international community - a man with great influence in the Palestinian Authority and great sensitivity for Israel's problems. Sharon's adviser, Dov Weissglas, frequently speaks to him by phone, bringing him into the picture during crises.As I've been reporting, Javier Solana - a trusted diplomatic representative of the revived Roman empire of Bible prophecy - is wrapping up, as I write this commentary, a three-day visit to the Middle East during which he discussed the possibility of the EU playing a larger role in Middle East peacemaking efforts. Although I have no idea who will ultimately be revealed to be the Antichrist, I'll tell you this and you can take it to the bank: If we're nearing the advent of the Antichrist and he is actively seeking a means through which to rise to greater power than any world leader ever has before, the European Union's Javier Solana is currently paving the way for him to make his rise to the top of the diplomatic world through the confirmation of a seven-year covenant of peace in the Middle East by actively and, apparently, successfully advocating the Palestinians and Israelis to allow the EU to play a larger role in Middle East peacemaking than it ever has before while acting as a member of the international Quartet of Russia, the United States, the United Nations, and the European Union.Before people start writing me accusing me of pinning the tail on the Antichrist so to speak, let me state, once again, that neither I nor anyone else, not even Satan himself, knows at this present hour who the Antichrist is going to ultimately be revealed to be. For all I know, Javier Solana may be on his knees in prayer accepting Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior right this very moment!Only God knows the answer to the question of who is going to be revealed as the Antichrist in the prophetic future and He isn't going to make that individual known to anyone this side of the Rapture of the Church, other than in theory. Why? Because the prophesied son of perdition, if he is alive in our world today (and I highly suspect he is), is being restrained from being empowered by Satan to assume the role Bible prophecy tells us he ultimately will when he confirms a seven-year covenant of peace in the Middle East.What is restraining the prophesied Antichrist from assuming his end times role, assuming he is alive and politically active at this juncture in human history? Many arguments have been made as to what or who the restrainer is, as seen in 2nd Thessalonians 2:6-7:And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.The restrainer is both referred to in an impersonal manner (what witholdeth) and in a personal manner (he in two sections of 2nd Thessalonians 2:7). What or who is the restrainer that keeps the Antichrist held back? I believe the what is the Holy Spirit-filled body of believers in Christ - the Church. I believe the he is the Holy Spirit Himself who empowers the Church to be the salt of the earth and the light of the world.Salt prevents spoilage and light dispels darkness, but, when the Rapture of the Church takes place, a split second of time is going to come when the world will not have even one born-again, Holy Spirit-filled Christian on the face of the earth empowered and compelled to resist the darkness of these end times. Much as darkness overtakes a room when light is removed from it, a split second of time is all it will take for Satan to seize the opportunity given him to empower the Antichrist and a small window of opportunity to posture key followers of his to assume positions of influence around the globe, setting into motion the seven-year period Tribulation Period, the culmination of which will be the triumphant return of Jesus Christ and all the saints to the earth at Armageddon.In closing, there is no reason to believe anyone involved in EU diplomacy, regardless of their age, appearance, charm or name recognition couldn't be the person ultimately chosen to become the Antichrist if the Rapture of the Church should take place today. God may allow Satan to empower Solana to be the Antichrist, someone else from among Europe's well-known leaders, or someone whose diplomatic career is presently unknown to the vast majority of the world. Although we have no idea, aside from speculation, who that individual is ultimately going to be, the EU's Javier Solana is, without a doubt, a smooth end times operator - a major diplomatic mover and shaker who I believe we can be certain is, at the very least, posturing the European Union for a leader from within its ranks to fulfill Daniel 9:27 in the prophetic and, potentially, near future.Keep looking up!http://www.evenmore.co.uk/prophecy/antichrist.htmlhttp://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread183503/pg1
     
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    The European Union in ProphecyThe Bible describes a leader (known as the Antichrist) who will come to power by signing a covenant with many (Daniel 9:27) that would begin the seven year tribulation. If we are living in the last days, then that person should be alive today. There is a person right now who fits the Biblical descriptions of the Antichrist, and his name is Javier Solana. It should be noted that I am not saying that Javier Solana is the Antichrist. I am merely presenting a comparison of what the Bible says about the Antichrist and public knowledge of Javier Solana. Another man could very well fulfill all these prophecies. The Antichrist will soon be revealed, but, right now, I am simply presenting an educated guess. Furthermore, the European Neighborhood Policy may or may not be the “seven year covenant with many” prophesied in Daniel 9:27. Again, I am simply presenting an educated guess.He will be the prince of the people that destroyed Jerusalem (Daniel 9:26). Daniel states that the Antichrist would be the prince of the people that would destroy the city (Jerusalem) and the sanctuary (the Temple). In AD 70, Jerusalem and the Temple were literally destroyed by the Roman armies under the command of Titus. The Antichrist will therefore be a prince of the Revived Roman Empire, or in modern terms, “Europe”. Javier Solana is the Secretary General of the Council of the European Union. The Council of the European Union 1 is the main decision making body for the European Union (EU). Javier Solana also holds two other important posts in Europe, the High Representative for the European Union’s Common Foreign and Security Policy (CFSP) and the Secretary General of the Western European Union (WEU). These are possibly the highest posts currently achievable in the three organizations, and Javier Solana has all of them. 2His number is six hundred threescore and six [666] (Revelation 13:18). Solana’s positions are all linked with the number 666 in official EU documents. The first document, issued in 1998 by the European Commission, was called Article 666 3 and called for the immediate appointment of a Secretary General of the Council of the EU and a High Representative for the CFSP who would have a “strong political profile”. The second document, titled Recommendation 666 4, called for special powers to be given to the WEU Secretary General and CFSP High Representative, enabling him to take control of political and military councils in the event of an emergency.He will head a 10 nation federation (Daniel 7:24). He is Secretary General of the WEU, the military arm of the EU, which is comprised of the 10 original member countries that signed the Treaty of Brussels. 5 These are the only nations of the WEU that have official member status. Other nations have different statuses 6 within the WEU.He will subdue 3 of those nations (Daniel 7:24). Britain, France and Germany, officially called the EU-3, 7 have apparently been jockeying for position to hold the lion’s share of foreign policy until such times that the EU Constitution is ratified and comes into force. This ambition has been brought to light by the EU-3’s recent dealings with Iran’s nuclear program. The EU Constitution will create the official position of EU Foreign Secretary, which Javier Solana, the EU High Representative currently holds in an unofficial capacity. These three nations would need to be “subdued” in order to give Solana a clear shot at being the “one voice of Europe.”He will use peace to destroy many (Daniel 8:25). Javier Solana has been involved in various peace agreements, including being a primary architect of the “Roadmap for Peace”, a resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. 8 He has stated that one of the rationales for building the European Union into a global power is “to extend the zone of peace and prosperity across [the] continent [of Europe].” 9He will confirm a covenant with many nations for 7 years, and break it in the middle of those years (Daniel 9:27). Solana’s European Neighborhood Policy (ENP) is to last from 2007-2013, 10 with a mid-term review period, 11 in which the High Representative (currently Javier Solana) will be involved. Sixteen nations 12 have signed up, including Israel and the Palestinian Authority. Israel signed up in December 2004. 13 All countries will have their agreements confirmed on January 1st, 2007. The ENP’s prime aim is to bring security and political control to Europe’s borders. The ENP might very well be the covenant that triggers the start of the tribulation.He will put a stop to sacrifices made in Israel’s temple in the middle of the seven years (Daniel 9:27). A centerpiece of the judenish temple services pertains to animal sacrifices. Part of the EU’s seven-year budget for external actions will be directed at what is called “thematic strategies.” Among these strategies will include an action plan geared at bringing the participating nations in line with EU standards on animal welfare. 14 The date that these new standards are to be established is 2010. That date happens to coincide with the middle of the seven year period of the European Neighborhood Policy. Animal welfare standards may be the tool used to compel Israel to stop making sacrifices in their temple in the middle of the seven years.He will grow great towards the East and the South (Daniel 8:9). Javier Solana says this about the European Neighborhood Policy, “The policy is in the first place aimed at developing closer relations between the European Union and its new neighbors to the East and the South…” 15He will be of a kingdom that will engulf the whole world (Daniel 7:23). Although Javier Solana is High Representative of the WEU which is only a 10 nation federation, the tentacles of the WEU and the EU continue to spread throughout the world. Of the WEU, there are 10 full members, 8 affiliate members, 3 associate members, 2 affiliate associate members, 5 observers, 2 affiliate observers, 1 affiliate associate partner, 2 permanent guests and 4 special guests. 16 That makes the WEU a possible alliance of 37 nations. Of the EU, there are 25 members, currently 4 countries applying to be members, 17 and 16 nations who will be directly influenced by the EU’s European Neighborhood Policy.Below are two maps 18 – one of the Roman Empire and the other of the European Union and the countries under its influence.The map on the left is of the Roman Empire at the height of its power in 116 A.D. The map on the right is of the EU members (in dark blue), potential EU members (both shades of light blue), and the European Neighborhood Policy countries (in the darker green). As you can see, once the European Neighborhood Policy is put into place on January 1, 2007, the EU’s influence will have roughly the same geographic scope as did the Roman Empire at the height of its power.He will be of a kingdom that is divided, partly strong and partly weak, and shall not cleave to each other (Daniel 2:41-43). It is easy to see how Europe is a Revived Roman Empire that is “divided”. The very fact that there is a WEU of 10 official members and a broader EU of 25 members shows a Europe that is still divided. The WEU, under the direction of Javier Solana, was meant to transfer its powers to the EU, but this never happened. It seems instead that the WEU has taken on the role of being the military arm of the European Union. For “partly strong and partly weak”, the WEU nations are mainly wealthy and politically strong, while the new members of the EU are generally poor and politically weak and unstable. And the fact that the nations “will not cleave to one another” has been demonstrated with the differing views on the Iraq war, the problems of ratifying the EU Constitution, amid other disagreements which seem to come up from time to time.He will attack the mightiest fortresses (Daniel 11:39). Solana is advocating the implementation of the EU’s 2010 Headline Goal, 19 effectively a military response group which can be deployed in the event of an emergency. The timing of the formation of this Rapid Response Force should be noted. This initiative will be completed just as the European Neighborhood Policy will be reaching its mid-term review. Europe will therefore have a force capable of being deployed anywhere in world within 5-10 days should any particular country decide to step out of line. This is especially significant if the European Neighborhood Policy does end up being the fulfillment of Daniel 9:27. This is because the Antichrist uses his forces to invade many nations (Daniel 11:36-45). European countries are also working towards the goal of implementing the GMES 20 (Global Monitoring of Environment and Security), a network of satellites that will provide Europe with a “Spy in the Sky” by 2008. The prime aim of the GMES is to provide security to European borders. It will also ensure member states are complying with EU regulations, such as the common agricultural and fisheries policies. If Europe intends to have its own army which will be capable of being launched to deal with any “situation” in the world within 5-10 days, it will have to have a fast, efficient communication system, and the GMES fills this role.
     
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    “We have finally decided that Europe will speak with one voice, that of Mr Solana,”Javier Solana, the European Union’s foreign policy chief, will restore high-level EU contact with Syria when he visits Damascus next week for the first time in more than two years.The trip is designed to encourage Syria to help end the Lebanon political crisis, which pits pro-Syrian parties against a government supported by the west.The EU move also comes at the end of the presidency of France’s Jacques Chirac, who has resisted initiatives to re-establish close contact between Syria and the EU as a whole, although officials such as Miguel Angel Moratinos, Spain’s foreign minister, have visited Damascus.Mr Solana said the visit would be part of a broader regional tour and would focus in particular on Lebanon.Relations between the EU and Syria rapidly deteriorated after the February 2005 assassination of Rafiq Hariri, the former Lebanese prime minister and friend of Mr Chirac.A UN investigation into the killing has yet to be completed but progress reports last year implicated Syrian and Lebanese officials.A main sticking point in Lebanon’s political crisis is the establishment of a UN-backed tribunal to try Hariri’s killers.The pro-western Lebanese government is seeking parliamentary approval for the tribunal, but the move is being resisted by the pro-Syrian opposition.Despite Arab and European pressure on Syria to accept the tribunal, Walid Muallem, Syrian foreign minister, earlier this week said Damascus wanted any nationals accused of involvement in the killing to be tried in accordance with Syrian law.Mr Chirac said he supported the Solana trip, which would deliver a firm message to Damascus to cooperate with the Hariri inquiry.“We have finally decided that Europe will speak with one voice, that of Mr Solana,” he said, in response to a question by the Financial Times. “When I had my reservations it was because various ministers went in a disordered way when it is an issue that needs complete coherence from the EU.”
     
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    THE JAVIER SOLANA STORY, PART VIIIExploring Family ConnectionsJavier Solana displayed little about himself. He published a scanty biographical story, but what it omitted was as fascinating as what it included. He stressed that he was a “deMadariaga.” Early news stories about him reported that he was the grandson of a famous Spanish writer and diplomat. Some USA reports said he was the nephew. At least in the public press, he contradicted neither account. Congressional reports said his wife was the buyer for a Spanish department store. Several years later, in 2005, I was to read in the EuropeanVoice archived stories from the year 1995 that Javier Solana and his wife had “called it quits” early in 1995.I was able to learn precious little, but as I would acquire pieces of information, I would archive and cross-reference them in an attempt to gain a fuller picture about this fascinating personality who seemed to be handed gargantuan amounts of power, but was practically unknown to at least the American public at large.After beta-testing MicroSoft Office, 2003, I discovered the newer capabilities of PowerPoint to burn presentations to CD Rom – sound, film clips, and all. I decided this would be a good way to educate people and at the same time acquire a base of further observers. Herb Peters also had his website, “FulfilledProphecy.com,” up and running.I soon heard from European correspondents, including Spanish ones. One sent me a picture of Javier Solana's mother together with her name, Nieves Mathews. I googled the name and found that she was a highly intelligent woman who had died according to an Italian account, in 2003. She had been employed by the Food and Agricultural Organization in Rome for 20 years. Her more esoteric and scholarly pursuits included researching “the invisible college,” Immanuel Velikovsky and Sir Francis Bacon.She had actively communicated with New Agers whose work I had been tracking since 1981, including but not limited to Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh and Fritjof Capra. She was the older of the two daughters of Salvador de Madariaga and his Scottish born wife, economic historian Constance Archibald. Nieves was born in Glasgow, Scotland on December 3, 1917. My overall impression of her was that she was something of a free spirit. Her Italian language obituary included facts that she was the mother of two sons (Luis Solana and his younger brother, Javier) and had exiled in Great Britain during the World War II years.1 Luis Solana was born in 1937 and younger brother Javier in Madrid on July 14, 1942. To rule out that Solana's mother was not another, I read translated Spanish accounts. The word used in Spanish biographical statements about Solana's relationship to the famous Spanish writer, Salvador de Madariaga was “nieto.” The word “nieto,” clearly meant “grandson.” The Spanish accounts I found never used the word “sobrino,” which is Spanish for “nephew.”I found Nieves' book on the life of Sir Francis Bacon and his alleged unfair historical character assassination. I ordered one from Amazon.com and therein I made my “Osho”/Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh discovery. She said that her “teacher Osho” had blessed her book on the life of Sir Francis Bacon. He had died sometime before the book's release by Yale University Press in 1996. Checking out my other Yale University holdings, I further discovered that Alice Bailey and Olga Froebe Kapteyn had earnestly and unsuccessfully tried to obtain his services as a speaker at their School for Spiritual Research at Ascona, Switzerland. Just about this time, I discovered in no small part thanks to Dorothy Margraf's persistence that I look more at the Mont Pelerin Society, that Salvador de Madariaga had bridged the evidently conservative right as well as the left, something his grandson would do years later in bridging from his past Marxist affiliations to being the new head of NATO.Just about that time, exploring Javier Solana's Club of Rome connections, I found Salvador de Madariaga in my own second book, A PLANNED DECEPTION (1986). It was in the appendices, and was a list of endorsers of Donald Keys, Planetary Citizens. Keys was a former administrator of Lucis Trust and he clearly was a devoted subscriber to “the Christ is now here” movement.Lucis Trust was formerly known as Lucifer Trust and is owned by Rupert Murdoch
     
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    I read an article a couple of months ago that said the Jews have already rebuilt the Temple Mount in an undisclosed warehouse and are simply waiting to transport it and place it on its proper place!!! [​IMG]
    Jesus destroyed all visible temples and you want to bring back what Jesus destroyed?:eek:love, hitomi
     
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    Jesus destroyed all visible temples and you want to bring back what Jesus destroyed?:eek:love, hitomi
    I want the prophecy to be fulfilled and my Lord's return [​IMG] That is correct!!!
     
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    The Roots of Evil in Jerusalem.Posted: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - written by jerry golden -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This report will shock and upset some; it is one I have put off for over 4 years. After struggling with it I have decided now is the time to write it. Knowing it could be misunderstood as anti-Semitic. God forbid that I a Jew should ever say or do anything that would be remotely considered as such, but I must admit this report does not come easy for me. The fact still remains that an evil force has been put into place in Jerusalem and has spread throughout Israel, in preparations for the end time and the seat of the anti-Christ. For if we are to believe that the anti-Christ is to have his seat on the Temple Mount, then we must come to grips with some truths not being preached today. One such truth is the foundation for such a move of the Devil must be underway even as we speak if this is to happen. Or we simply are not in the end days. This report will prove that such a move is underway and has been for quiet some time. It will be accepted by some and rejected by others, but that is the way it goes. In this report I will use many pictures showing the establishment of the Illuminati and establish proof that there has been a diabolical plot by those we refer to as the New World Order. Showing the architectural design of the New Israeli Supreme Court Building designed and paid for by the Rothchilds reflex the presence of Free Masonry and the Illuminati. I took all but one of the pictures you are about to see so I can assure that what you are seeing is real and in place. The same families who own and control the Federal Reserve and other major financial institutions have their eyes set on the Temple Mount, and the Holy City of Jerusalem. Just as Scriptures say, the man who will be revealed as the anti-Christ will sit in that place, before the appearance of the Jewish Messiah Yeshua HaMashiach, and many will receive him as their messiah. Just actually how that will come about remains to be seen, but one thing I am convinced of is that Holy men of God will not be the ones to rebuild the Temple, it will be the Illuminati. For God would not send men to that place to perform blood sacrifices. His Son's blood was the perfect sacrifice; there is no need to shed the blood of dumb animals any longer. Yeshua did a perfect work, and it was finished. But He will return and take control of the New Temple that I feel will be built soon. But before He will return this world will have to get in such bad shape that the anti-Christ can be accepted by most as the savior who can bring peace and order to the world. But then you know the rest of that story so lets go on. more w/pics....... http://www.thegoldenreport.com/asp/jerrysn...a=817&print=yes
    While there is much truth in what you say, God does allow evil to happen to convict the guilty and to make the objects of his mercy show His glory as Romans 9:24-25 explains. So since God's word says there will be sacrifices, there will be sacrifices. All will go according to his plan. [​IMG]
     
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    I want the prophecy to be fulfilled and my Lord's return [​IMG] That is correct!!!
    Temple Jesus is talking about is not acutual one. It is symbolic. We should read the Bible in whole context, dear.love, hitomi
     
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    Antichrist is Satan i.e the son of perdition, the man of lawlessness, the devil, Lucifer the morning star what ever name you want to call him he he currently being held by Michael he will be set loose Woe to those on earth for the devil is sent down de facto down to earth.Have you not read it?It is not any man it is an the arch angel Lucifer himself with his army of fallen angels.He will cause a great delusion because he is a supernatural being. HE WILL BE PRETENDING TO BE CHRIST when in fact he will be ANTICHRIST or in the Hebrew INSTEAD OF Christ, a fake he will come at the sixth trump as Rev. says the real Christ will not return till the seventh and last trump as Rev. says Now you can listen to rumor and speculation you can try make mans lies,ideas or speculations fit scripture or you can listen to Gods word. He has foretold us all things and he tells us exactly who antichrist is, when he will come , what he will do. Theory or facts its up to you what and who you believe but I will trust Gods Word.
     
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    Antichrist is Satan i.e the son of perdition, the man of lawlessness, the devil, Lucifer the morning star what ever name you want to call him he he currently being held by Michael he will be set loose Woe to those on earth for the devil is sent down de facto down to earth.Have you not read it?It is not any man it is an the arch angel Lucifer himself with his army of fallen angels.He will cause a great delusion because he is a supernatural being. HE WILL BE PRETENDING TO BE CHRIST when in fact he will be ANTICHRIST or in the Hebrew INSTEAD OF Christ, a fake he will come at the sixth trump as Rev. says the real Christ will not return till the seventh and last trump as Rev. says Now you can listen to rumor and speculation you can try make mans lies,ideas or speculations fit scripture or you can listen to Gods word. He has foretold us all things and he tells us exactly who antichrist is, when he will come , what he will do. Theory or facts its up to you what and who you believe but I will trust Gods Word.
    :amen: And :blessyou:
     
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    Antichrist is Satan i.e the son of perdition, the man of lawlessness, the devil, Lucifer the morning star what ever name you want to call him he he currently being held by Michael he will be set loose Woe to those on earth for the devil is sent down de facto down to earth.Have you not read it?It is not any man it is an the arch angel Lucifer himself with his army of fallen angels.He will cause a great delusion because he is a supernatural being. HE WILL BE PRETENDING TO BE CHRIST when in fact he will be ANTICHRIST or in the Hebrew INSTEAD OF Christ, a fake he will come at the sixth trump as Rev. says the real Christ will not return till the seventh and last trump as Rev. says Now you can listen to rumor and speculation you can try make mans lies,ideas or speculations fit scripture or you can listen to Gods word. He has foretold us all things and he tells us exactly who antichrist is, when he will come , what he will do. Theory or facts its up to you what and who you believe but I will trust Gods Word.
    Kriss. Jesus is the Morning Star. Lucifer is the Day Star. Do not call Satan morning star!Revelations 22:16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.Lucifer's name means Son of the Morning. It's not Morning Star. Isaiah 14:12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
     
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    Wakka, Lucifer by (some) defination, it means morning star...He once served Father, As long as you know that Lucifer is the fake morning star and Lord Jesus (Yahshua) is the true morning star. You are fine. Why do you think Lucifer does, he mimicks name...prince of Tyrus is Satan...it means a rock, Again Satan is a false rock, and Christ is a true Rock.Ezekiel 28:2 - Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:Deuteronomy 32:31 - For their rock (Lucifer/Satan) is not as our Rock, (Christ/God) even our enemies themselves being judges.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
     
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