Will some Christians be left in the rapture

[Timtofly]

Your response has no bearing on scripture that shows the last trump, 7th angel sounding, the voice of the 7th angel, the trump of God, the 7th trump, are all one and the same (The End)

Feel free to post scripture that denies my claims, waiting patiently?

I am still waiting for Scripture to back up your claims.

 

[friend of]

Ok no worries but let's stay on topic.

I am ready to rest on the point that no true believer will be left behind,

Does anyone have a point in that direction?

I wholeheartedly agree. No true believer will be left behind.

 

[Marty fox]

Ok no worries but let's stay on topic.

I am ready to rest on the point that no true believer will be left behind,

Does anyone have a point in that direction?

No believers will be left behind because we’re saved from Gods final wrath on the world

 

[teamventure]

Thanks everyone for your input on the op.

 

[teamventure]

I guess the discussion now should be how many trumpets there are.

Cary on.

 

[Timtofly]

I guess the discussion now should be how many trumpets there are.

Cary on.

Only those left behind get to count the Trumpets.

 

[Truth7t7]

Ok no worries but let's stay on topic.

I am ready to rest on the point that no true believer will be left behind,

Does anyone have a point in that direction?

Yes if you are sealed by the Holy Spirit, your taken and not left

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

 

[Truth7t7]

I am still waiting for Scripture to back up your claims.

I'm waiting for your scripture to support the 7th trump, 7th angel voice, trump of God, isnt the end

 

[NewMusic]

I can tell that there is usually no helping those who believe one way to the other way. And the reason I have come to learn very recently, is because of deceptive teaching called dispensationalism.

Those who believe this teaching called dispensationalism, see the bible chopped up into many segments (no unity) and some books only apply to the Jews while other books apply only to the church, and it's very complicated and violates many principles. I will not elaborate.

But in final, reiterating, those who believe in dispensationalism, see a rapture happening which allowed them to escape suffering for Christ and then there's a great tribulation time that the unfortunately unlucky people have to endure through.

I do not subscribe to that at all, and if I posted all the things Jesus has shown me over the past 38 years, it would fall on deaf ears (those who believe in dispensationalism).

If you are somebody who does not believe in dispensationalism, then there's hope for you and you can be shown from the scriptures the truth and unity of the bible. I am prepared to show any who ask. Using only scripture, with little rhetoric, and quite succinctly.

 

[Truth7t7]

I can tell that there is usually no helping those who believe one way to the other way. And the reason I have come to learn very recently, is because of deceptive teaching called dispensationalism.

Those who believe this teaching called dispensationalism, see the bible chopped up into many segments (no unity) and some books only apply to the Jews while other books apply only to the church, and it's very complicated and violates many principles. I will not elaborate.

But in final, reiterating, those who believe in dispensationalism, see a rapture happening which allowed them to escape suffering for Christ and then there's a great tribulation time that the unfortunately unlucky people have to endure through.

I do not subscribe to that at all, and if I posted all the things Jesus has shown me over the past 38 years, it would fall on deaf ears (those who believe in dispensationalism).

If you are somebody who does not believe in dispensationalism, then there's hope for you and you can be shown from the scriptures the truth and unity of the bible. I am prepared to show any who ask. Using only scripture, with little rhetoric, and quite succinctly.

Welcome, New Member Since Yesterday

 

[marks]

But in final, reiterating, those who believe in dispensationalism, see a rapture happening which allowed them to escape suffering for Christ and then there's a great tribulation time that the unfortunately unlucky people have to endure through.

Sounds like the same old tune to me.

Nice that you come along to misrepresent those with whom you disagree. What's the point of that?

So much nicer if you tell us about yourself than to tell false things about others.

And truth be told, unless you are still offering animal sacrifices, you too believe in and follow dispensational changes.

Much love!

 

[NewMusic]

Sounds like the same old tune to me.

Nice that you come along to misrepresent those with whom you disagree. What's the point of that?

So much nicer if you tell us about yourself than to tell false things about others.

And truth be told, unless you are still offering animal sacrifices, you too believe in and follow dispensational changes.

Much love!

Gee Mark, the main points about dispensationalism with regard to the topic of this thread (the rapture) was not handled incorrectly by me, was it? I'm pretty sure that what I said regarding their beliefs of the rapture, were correctly told in my words.

Now, if you do not like the parts about my viewing dispensationalism as error, and being quite complicated (something they themselves admit to!), I can understand your not liking my statement(s), but I was not (am not) trying to speak to people who have already made up their mind. I'm using the same wisdom Christ used:

For those who have ears to hear.

I'm not, and I'm sure if you hold to dispensationalism, you too do not wish to engage in a quarrel. So we may have peace and just acknowledge our views are not in agreement about the bible... I just wanted to let people who are still uncertain and wishing to learn, know that I can show them that the church must endure through the entire Great Tribulation in very simple terms, using only scripture.

And while I'm at it, I hope you and everybody will learn a piece of wisdom from what I'm about to share -- Whenever you are going to discuss the bible and especially when discussing the prophecies and interpretations, one should ALWAYS start by having everybody read this verse, namely the part I highlighted in red:

1 Cor 4:6 I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another.

Do not go beyond what is written. Always establish this verse from the onset, and keep everybody true to it so that you do not fall into the following type of error, that I call "domino theory", which goes something like this:

People like to rationalize and invent all types of notions, and “read between the lines” things that are not written, and get into all types of error. What I like to call “domino theory”. For example, the sky is blue and blue is the color of my eyes, and eyes are used for seeing, therefore the sky is a metaphor for “seeing”. Stupid crap like that. So with that point laid down, I will now begin....
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To Mark:

My name is Todd, got born again in 1981 a week after graduating high school, got water baptized 6 months after that, and then after reading about the gifts of the Spirit and hearing others talk about tongues and gifts, I sought earnestly from God that I might receive such, and it was in February of 1982 that I knelt at the side of my bed and told God I was frustrated and did not know how a person actually receives a gift. And so kneeling, I said, "Lord, I don't know how this is supposed to happen, but I hope you are in it", and I began to utter syllables and did so for about 5 minutes.

Then, I felt like I had made a mockery of God's gift and began repenting about having prayed in tongues.

Well... a few months later one night at a Denny's restaurant, I met a bunch of Christians that had come into the restaurant and the subject of tongues came up and I told them the account I just wrote, and they said to me, "No Todd! You really did pray in tongues, but it was the devil who heaped up condemnation and deception on you to try and get you to stop."

They then proceeded to give a very excellent outline from the scriptures covering the promise and the examples from Acts, and more, and I began praying in tongues fervently from then on.

But about a year later, summer of 1983, I was lying in bed around 10:30 p.m. having a most miserable night, wondering about and doubting God's existence, and the gift of tongues, and the devil was really taking me through the ringer, when my mom came to my bedroom and told me my friend (who was also a Christian and prayed in tongues) had called on the phone. [I can sense I'm about to cry as I recall this story and convey it to you.]

I got up and went to the kitchen and got on the phone and we began talking. I did not tell him how I was feeling, but my friend had done a lot of drugs when we were in grade and high school (both got saved about the same time after we graduated, even though we had lost contact during high school years), and this friend of mine would go by way of Chicago to tell me things, and switch subjects midstream. It was very trying because I would find myself always saying to him, "Would you please make your point!" lol

So that night on the phone, he's talking about, like, "y'see Todd, there's this coffee cup, y'know.. and it's blah blah blah," and then right in the middle of his sentence he says, "And you gotta remember Todd, that the devil will come along and try to tell you that God does not exist, and that even the gift of tongues is not real, and...." and I took the phone away from my ear and looked at it in front of my face while he was still speaking, and I began repenting in earnest as I knew that God was speaking to me right that moment through my friend, and my friend did not even realize it.

But from then on, I never doubted God or the gift ever again. :)

 

[1stCenturyLady]

We are familiar with the passages of scripture that say to keep watch lest ye be left behind and to keep your oil lamps full for the rapture.
I want to ask you all what you've learned about who will be left behind and why? And will some Christians be left behind in the rapture?

(Please refrain from arguing over the timing of the rapture this thread is just for discussing who will be left behind and why.)

If there is a pre-trib. rapture as some think, then yes. But they are not dead, but alive through it.

 

[marks]

Now, if you do not like the parts about my viewing dispensationalism as error,

Mostly, I try to avoid labels which tend to overgeneralize. The way you speak of dispensationism strikes me as being that way, so I make mention of it.

I suppose to someone who doesn't understand a lot about dispensationalism, these comments like "chopping up the Bible into pieces", "books that apply to the Jews only", they can seem to have a certain significance, but for myself, I've come to understand that "dispensational" describes most, if not all Christian doctrine. It's just a matter of degree.

That's why I mention about sacrifices. You don't offer lambs at the temple because God's dispensation of grace is happening in a different way, being a different dispensation.

That's the meaning of the word, and how it's used in the Bible.

So any real discussion of dispensations should take this into account, and not erroneously broadbrush everyone into the same little cubby.

And no, quarreling isn't why I'm here, rather, to promote clear and accurate understanding of God's Word.

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

We are familiar with the passages of scripture that say to keep watch lest ye be left behind and to keep your oil lamps full for the rapture.
I want to ask you all what you've learned about who will be left behind and why? And will some Christians be left behind in the rapture?

(Please refrain from arguing over the timing of the rapture this thread is just for discussing who will be left behind and why.)

I kind of think God will take those who have been sifted enough. We are told we should pray we are counted worthy to escape that time of testing coming on the whole world. It’s the only way I can make sense of all the verses together.

 

[NewMusic]

I kind of think God will take those who have been sifted enough. We are told we should pray we are counted worthy to escape that time of testing coming on the whole world. It’s the only way I can make sense of all the verses together.

Luke 21:36 But stay awake at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man."

Have strength to escape = endure

Rather than fail to uphold your testimony of Christ due to the threat and fear of men from the tortures, imprisonments, and beheadings they will inflict, which he said the saints would go through (rather fear God who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28), pray that you escape the temptation to betray Him. Endure.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Yes. I think some will be taken and some will be sifted and purified more. I think there will also be survivors because God will cut the time short. I think those taken and those martyred will rule and reign with Christ for 1000 years over the nations.

it’s the only way ALL of the verses can be fit together in my mind.

 

[Curtis]

This is the deal:

Jesus rejects lukewarm Christians, Revelation 3:16

In Luke 21:36 Jesus says to pray always that we be found worthy to escape these things (the great tribulation) that will come on the earth.

The lukewarm Christians aren’t worthy - they will have to go through the great tribulation with the rest of the tribulation church who are saved after the rapture.

In Matthew 25 half the ten virgins are locked out of the wedding supper of Jesus - they weren’t worthy, either.

This account is about His coming, per Matthew 25:13.

This ratio of half not being worthy is shown in scripture by two being in a field, and one is taken, and one left behind, and two in a bed and one is taken and one is left, etc.

The moral is, don’t be lukewarm.

Maranatha

 

[Truth7t7]

I can tell that there is usually no helping those who believe one way to the other way. And the reason I have come to learn very recently, is because of deceptive teaching called dispensationalism.

Those who believe this teaching called dispensationalism, see the bible chopped up into many segments (no unity) and some books only apply to the Jews while other books apply only to the church, and it's very complicated and violates many principles. I will not elaborate.

But in final, reiterating, those who believe in dispensationalism, see a rapture happening which allowed them to escape suffering for Christ and then there's a great tribulation time that the unfortunately unlucky people have to endure through.

I do not subscribe to that at all, and if I posted all the things Jesus has shown me over the past 38 years, it would fall on deaf ears (those who believe in dispensationalism).

If you are somebody who does not believe in dispensationalism, then there's hope for you and you can be shown from the scriptures the truth and unity of the bible. I am prepared to show any who ask. Using only scripture, with little rhetoric, and quite succinctly.

I didnt see your post as offensive or directed at an individual, but focused at a teaching "dispensationalism"

I also believe dispensationalism is "Error" and those that follow the teaching are following "Error"

I believe Preterism is "Error" and those that follow the teaching are following "Error"

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Truth7t7]

This is the deal:Jesus rejects lukewarm Christians, Revelation 3:16

The lukewarm Christians aren’t worthy - they will have to go through the great tribulation with the rest of the tribulation church who are saved after the rapture.

In Matthew 25 half the ten virgins are locked out of the wedding supper of Jesus - they weren’t worthy, either.

This account is about His coming, per Matthew 25:13.

This ratio of half not being worthy is shown in scripture by two being in a field, and one is taken, and one left behind, and two in a bed and one is taken and one is left, etc.

The moral is, don’t be lukewarm.

Maranatha

Any person that dosent follow the teachings in error, of John N. Darby & C.I. Scofield in a pre-trib rapture "dispensationalism" are judged as (Luke Warm Christians)?

Real Big Smiles!