Will some Christians be left in the rapture
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The TRUMP...calling of Christ's Church...IS NOT the SAME TRUMP....of the LAST TRUMP, (ie the 7th Trump in Revelations).
Pauls preaches BOTH ^^.
There have been many, many Trumps sounded in History. A "sounded Trump" IS a Signal, a Forewarning, of a Prophecy, about to be "manifested"...(realized...come to pass).
Christ's Church....Established BY, THROUGH, IN Christ.....IS day by day (for the last 2,000+ years) BEING "added" TO, as A church IS built, with a ROCK (CHRIST) Foundation, and STONE upon STONE (CONVERTS) added.
The CHURCH, (ie the CONVERTS), ARE being "PREPARED"....FOR the DAY, "THEIR" Christ calls the Converted "unto Him".
It is a PARALLEL....(of a historical Jewish Wedding)
of: the Betrothed Female, who "prepares herself", and "waits" for the "SIGNAL" of her "GROOM" to come and take her, FROM the Brides Father's home, TO the Grooms "Fathers" home, FOR the BLESSING of Grooms FATHER over the marriage ( VOW to be together Forever)....
And THE "GUESTS" present to participate;
AS WITNESSES, AND enjoy the (several Days long OF ) the "WEDDING SUPPER".
THAT...IS THE RAPTURE, ie The SIGNAL, The TRUMP, The TAKING of Bride, The Guests/Witnesses, The unveiling of the "prepared" Bride to meet her GROOM, Face to Face, in His Father's House. The Bride and Groom...STAY at the 'Prepared" room, IN the Grooms' fathers' HOUSE....UNTIL the Grooms "HOUSE" is made READIED, for the Bride and Groom, TO GO TO THE GROOMS HOUSE. (Ie. Christ's Jesus' KINGDOM ON EARTH.
The "removal" of the "prepared Bride"...IS FROM the FACE of the EARTH....TO the "lower heavens"....THE CLOUDS.
CLOUDS...men have daily seen, men have been IN many times before....Noah, LIFTED UP off the face of the Earth ABOVE the mountain tops IN the CLOUDS, men who climb to mountain peaks, men who fly in air planes...AND...
Lifted UP OFF the Face of the EARTH...(the brides father's home)....to the Grooms father's home....IS EXACTLY WHERE Christ's Church shall be LIFTED UP "TO"... and "STAY", "UNTIL ..the Grooms "HOME" IS "PREPARED".
WHERE, WHAT IS the Grooms HOME?
* Where...IS THE EXACT portion of LAND, Promised TO ABRAHAM (and his descendants). Gen 15:18...and THEN expanded to Abraham's offspring / Isaac...Gen 15:18 ).
THAT IS Christ Jesus' PROMISED "Earthly Kingdom", His HOME, WHERE He WILL "take His bride"..."FOR" 1,000 years.
(WHILE the Lord and His Bride ARE in the Grooms Fathers "HOUSE"...(7 years)....the Grooms "HOUSE" IS....His PROMISED "EVERLASTING THRONE" and His PROMISED LAND...."INHERITANCE"...being Prepared...
(House cleaning 101...removing the corruption, the WEBS (WWW), of deceit,)...
And AFTER 1,000 years.... (like with ISAAC, his LAND inheritance expanded beyond Caanan....SO ALSO while Christ Jesus' LAND inheritance IS limited for 1,000 years....IT ALSO WILL BE EXPANDED to encompass the WHOLE ENTIRE Land mass "OF THE EARTH".
AND as...ISAAC, had offspring, and his offspring Jacob, had increased offspring...and INHERITED LAND....so ALSO shall Christ' Jesus' "offspring", BY declaration, (adoption, accounted "sons" of God) LIVE and OCCUPY the Land of their FATHER....God.
THE WHO...."declared AS "offspring"....who SHALL Occupy the LAND".
* First...the Bride...(the Church), already having had made their VOW. (Limited land, Limited time...1,000 years).
* Secondly and Lastly... (the Faithful TO God, (during their physical life, having not heard, known, Christ Jesus, having believed, but did not "commit" by VOW...RAISED UP....AFTER the 1,000 years....WHEN the ENTIRE earthly LAND MASS WORLD, has been .... (house cleaned 101).... ie...PREPARED, and the LAST TRUMP (signal) SOUNDED FOR THEM to "RISE UP" "from their earthen TOMB", TO the RENEWED "FACE OF THE EARTH"...called the "FIRST RESURRECTION" and JOIN with THOSE IN CHRIST...(Not the Rapture).
Gods People, People IN Christ....AJOINED, with NO RESPECT of (Jews or Gentiles).....ALL exclusively, "sons of God".
Have there BEEN historical "Resurrections"?
YES. (A few individuals).
THE Revelations, "FIRST RESURRECTION", IS; "A MASSIVE RESURRECTION"..."OF" MILLIONS and MILLIONS of Corrupted, rotting BODY"S, RAISED in "uncorrupted" Glorified Bodies, being reunited with their SAVE souls and QUICKENED spirits....TO OCCUPY the completely, entirely renewed EARTH...WITH their God, face to face.
THE "RAISING UP"...of Christ Converts...or Gods People....IS as Paul taught....BY Gods POWER....QUICK, FAST, compared to the speed of a mans understanding of a Blink of an eye.
Glory to God,
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Agree. Which was my point.
The Archangels, Trump of God, IS calling UP those...
* ALREADY Having become BODILY DEAD, willingly crucified WITH JESUS.
* ALREADY SOUL SAVED by heartful confession.
* ALREADY SPIRIT QUICKENED by receiving Gods SEED.
IN EFFECT...ALREADY, body, soul, spirit PREPARED....NOT subject to WRATH.
The Last SEVEN YEARS "timeframe"... IS ALL ABOUT WRATH, being introduced UPON the Earth "and" the Earth's Occupants" "bit by bit", UPON those "NOT ALREADY PREPARED"...
Seals, Trumps, Bowls... bit by bit INCREASE of severity OF WRATH...
AND men OF THE EARTH....bit by bit... Freely choosing, Deciding, Enduring, the effects of the WRATH, Choosing, "ETERNAL DEATH", or Choosing "TO bodily DIE", for "subjecting" themselves, TO BECOME MADE, (by the POWER OF God)...."a son of God".
Agree....
The RAPTURE, is the CALLING UP...of those WHO ARE ALREADY 'PREPARED", BEFORE the Wrath is unleashed UPON the Face of Earth and it's Occupants.
Agree.
There are "callings" throughout the days of WRATH....(of Seals, of Trumps)...wrath of Bowls Reserved FOR and poured out upon the LAST of living men upon the Earth...AGAINST God.
THe Callings: (during the SEALS & TRUMPS)...
by: Gods Sent, two witnesses.
By: Gods Sent, 144,000 and A Lamb.
By: One Angel of God, World wide preaching the Gospel...THE LAST TRUMP...THE LAST "forewarning signal"....IS THE 3rd WOE.
(Rev 11: 14-15)
The LAST Preaching by: the Angel of God...
(Rev 14:6 )
AND THEN THE DOOR IS CLOSED...THE Remaining Alive ON EARTH...subject to the Bowls poured out....the Wrath of God.
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Pretty simple, the tares are left behind, the children of satan, and cast into the lake of fire
Only the wheat will be taken to the Eternal kingdom, after the "Final Judgement" seen
Matthew 13:36-43KJV
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
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I disagree, the last trump, 7th angel sounding, the voice of the 7th angel, the trump of God, the 7th trump, are all one and the same (The End)
The second coming, last day resurrection 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, 1 Corinthians 15:51-54 (The End)
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There is no pre-trib rapture or 7 year tribulation as you suggest
There will be a 3.5 year tribulation, and the (catching up/rapture) takes place at the second coming of Jesus Christ in final judgement (The End)
There will be no 1,000 year Kingdom on this earth as you suggest, or land inheritance for Jews based upon ethnic heritage
All covenants and promises made to Abraham, were fulfilled in Jesus Christ Galatians 3:16
The marriage supper takes place in the (Eternal Kingdom) in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, after the second coming and final judgement
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1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 KJV
15) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
The key words to answer this question are, the dead, and we which are alive and remain, "In Christ". This is inclusive, all who are "in Christ" will be caught up.
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I Agree, The Scripture Teaches At The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, The Last Day Resurrection And Catching Up Takes Place, Only The Church Will Be Caught Up
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 KJV
15) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
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Your response has no bearing on scripture that shows the last trump, 7th angel sounding, the voice of the 7th angel, the trump of God, the 7th trump, are all one and the same (The End)
Feel free to post scripture that denies my claims, waiting patiently?
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And which were those Scriptures? I've studied this a long time, but I don't know any that make such declarations or show those equivalencies.
Care to post them?
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1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 Isn't A Pre-Tribulation Rapture, Dont Be Deceived
The main scripture used by supporters of the (Pre-Trib Rapture) is 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, this is nothing more than the (Second Coming) (Last Day) resurrection, not a (Pre-Trib Rapture), don't be deceived
1. Is a resurrection of the believer seen in 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, 100% Yes!
2. Does this resurrection take place on the (Last Day) as Jesus Christ taught below in John 6:39-40, 100% Yes!
3. Is the (Last Day) the time of final judgement as Jesus Christ taught in John 12:48 below, 100% Yes!
Many deny the truth of Gods words below, that are simple, clear, and very easy to understand.
(THE SECOND COMING, LAST DAY RESURRECTION)
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17KJV
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
(THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION)
John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
(THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT)
John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Which of these show all the trumpets to be the same last trumpet? I'm not seeing that. BTW . . . wasn't it requested by the OP to not make this a timing debate thread?
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You asked me to show you and I did, and you retreat from this truth
In 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 you post, you see the coming of Jesus Christ with the Trump Of God, and the last day resurrection, it's that simple (The End)
You will closely note in post #13 that the OP writer (teamventure) approved of and liked Taken's post #7 in a detailed response in suggestions of times relating to different events
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