Win Souls, Not Arguments!

[amigo de christo]

The FACTS are the argument against SIN and the need for everyone to turn to CHRIST

That's a FACT - Jack

many got another memo david . their argument is for everyone to t urn to this ecumeincal intefaith lie for world peace .
Many have zero desire to contend for the one true faith at all david .
Now regulators and contenders for the TRUE faith ...................SADDLE and MOUNT UP
cause we have us a true gospel and all teachings of JESUS to spread .
The hour is late and the delusion grows great .

 

[David in NJ]

I hope you never get in an argument with Jesus / God! Hell's not a nice place to spend eternity.

Thank You Jack

May we all abide in CHRIST and trust His every word

SHALOM to you my brother in CHRIST

 

[Jack]

Thank You Jack

May we all abide in CHRIST and trust His every word

SHALOM to you my brother in CHRIST

Praise Jesus, God of Israel, God of the Bible

 

[David in NJ]

correct he did not quarrel . In fact he also did not ever once try and pander to please either .
As i am well sure you are aware of that my friend . But not this flesh pleasing generation .
JESUS spoke Truth . And when often HIS TRUTH offended
And even when his own said LORD did you not know this offended them
HE said LEAVE THEM BE . THEY BLIND leaders of the blind and every PLANT my FATHER DID NOT PLANT
GONNA BE ROOTED UP . And upon examination of acts and every letter i read from them apostles in said
bible , OH THEY WERE fast to correct sin and error . AND did not pander to please man .
For even paul wrote
for do we seek to please man or God . IF i sought to please man i would NOT BE the servant of CHRIST .
Those who sin REBUKE before all that others may fear .
Wherefor REBUKE THEM sharply that they may be SOUND in the FAITH .
YEAH I DONT SEE that in most churches david . nor do i see MARK those who cause divisions in the DOCTRINE
ye have learned and avoid such . NOR warnings to FLEE such things .
WHAT I SEE is MARK those who correct sin and errors in doctrine ye have learned and JUDGE THEM AS HATERS .
Throwing them and the words in that bible OUTTA the doors of churches .
THAT BE what i see david . FOR SEEKER FRIENDLY SOUGHT TO PLEASE unrepentant sinners .
AND LOOK how well that worked out . THE churches LEAVENED big time and now
they gather more and more under a ecumiencal intefaith GOSPEL DENYING LIE . it aint working out too good IS IT .
THIS JDUGE NOT correct not , AINT WORKING at all . ITS DESTORYING THEM .

AGREE

 

[amigo de christo]

I hope you never get in an argument with Jesus / God! Hell's not a nice place to spend eternity.

sadly many now have added too and taken from a holy scroll we were all warned not to do so .
Cause more and more now beleive in a god that has no such place as the lake of fire .
Unfortunately for those who removed it , the book says THEY GONNA SEE it first hand .
Cause if you also notice so those who removed it , also preach acceptance of sins and even UNBELEIF now .
Things aint looking good nor have then been good in a lot of churches for a long long time now .
And the weather forecast says ITS gonna be real hot for them many at their end .
SO it depends on the weather or whether .
WHETHER OR NOT they repent and learn CHRIST or whether they continue in a lie . cause the latter one
ends with fire .

 

[amigo de christo]

AGREE

Time for a reminder seeing Jack said a truth . Praise JESUS , God of israel , God of the bible .
And the question is
WHO IS THIS ISRAEL OF GOD , OF CHRIST .
And the answer , WHY ITS EVERY BELEIVING jew and gentile IN JESUS CHRIST
WHO sits IN this he avenly jersualem , this mount sion , wherein the TEMPLE IS GOD and THE LAMB
and each beleiver , wee tiny stone is added in By FAITH IN THIS JESUS CHRIST WHOM GOD DID SEND .

 

[David in NJ]

correct he did not quarrel . In fact he also did not ever once try and pander to please either .
As i am well sure you are aware of that my friend . But not this flesh pleasing generation .
JESUS spoke Truth . And when often HIS TRUTH offended
And even when his own said LORD did you not know this offended them
HE said LEAVE THEM BE . THEY BLIND leaders of the blind and every PLANT my FATHER DID NOT PLANT
GONNA BE ROOTED UP . And upon examination of acts and every letter i read from them apostles in said
bible , OH THEY WERE fast to correct sin and error . AND did not pander to please man .
For even paul wrote
for do we seek to please man or God . IF i sought to please man i would NOT BE the servant of CHRIST .
Those who sin REBUKE before all that others may fear .
Wherefor REBUKE THEM sharply that they may be SOUND in the FAITH .
YEAH I DONT SEE that in most churches david . nor do i see MARK those who cause divisions in the DOCTRINE
ye have learned and avoid such . NOR warnings to FLEE such things .
WHAT I SEE is MARK those who correct sin and errors in doctrine ye have learned and JUDGE THEM AS HATERS .
Throwing them and the words in that bible OUTTA the doors of churches .
THAT BE what i see david . FOR SEEKER FRIENDLY SOUGHT TO PLEASE unrepentant sinners .
AND LOOK how well that worked out . THE churches LEAVENED big time and now
they gather more and more under a ecumiencal intefaith GOSPEL DENYING LIE . it aint working out too good IS IT .
THIS JDUGE NOT correct not , AINT WORKING at all . ITS DESTORYING THEM .

i am GLAD that you understood the difference between argument and quarrel.

In Biblical Terms the word 'argument' is a legal term.

"In legal terms, an argument refers to the process of presenting reasons or evidence to support a position in a legal dispute, as well as the reasons themselves that are given for or against a matter under discussion. It can also describe a disagreement between parties where opposing views are expressed."

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus lost this argument with a desperate Palestinian mom (see Mark 7:24-30; Matthew 15:21-28).

I don't think He minded.

He won something more important.

Love the pic of the lab and/or mix.

 

[Jack]

Jesus lost this argument with a desperate Palestinian mom (see Mark 7:24-30; Matthew 15:21-28).

I don't think He minded.

He won something more important.

I'm an animal lover!

 

[Anchorite]

I would caution anyone from thinking they can argue someone into getting saved.

I’ve never heard of any person believing in the existence of God, or trusting in Christ for salvation, due to being defeated in a debate.

We can share our beliefs and explain how we came to accept the gospel, and experiences can be powerful evidence of something that happened in our life, but logic and reason do not lead people out of darkness into light.

Telling people how we learned about the gospel, why we believed it, and how God has blessed us as a result, is not debating and should never turn into a quarrel.

I would not even reply to atheist questions about why I believe in God, aside from talking about answers to prayers and my delight in reading His Word, which is His Spirit resonating with my spirit.

God’s truth needs no argument to defend it. It is presented to people, then they have seeds planted in them. They may reject God’s Word or accept it immediately or later on. Hopefully the seeds take root and produce a wonderful harvest in due time.

A close atheist friend once tried to persuade me to engage in an online, recorded debate with him. He said, “Come on, this will be epic!” He was so sure he would win the debate and make religion look stupid.

I told him I was not allowed to debate about faith.

He replied, “What are you talking about? You can do anything you want.”

I told him that faith was a sacred thing and not something to fight about intellectually. You either have it or you do not.

Atheists do not reject God due to insufficient evidence of His existence. They reject God because they refuse to quit their favorite sins.

John 3

19And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil.

20Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.

21But whoever practices the truth comes into the Light, so that it may be seen clearly that what he has done has been accomplished in God.

 

[Anchorite]

We should keep this scripture in mind at all times.

I repeat it to myself at least once a day.

2 Timothy 2:24

And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel, but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient.

 

[David in NJ]

I would caution anyone from thinking they can argue someone into getting saved.

I’ve never heard of any person believing in the existence of God, or trusting in Christ for salvation, due to being defeated in a debate.

We can share our beliefs and explain how we came to accept the gospel, and experiences can be powerful evidence of something that happened in our life, but logic and reason do not lead people out of darkness into light.

Telling people how we learned about the gospel, why we believed it, and how God has blessed us as a result, is not debating and should never turn into a quarrel.

I would not even reply to atheist questions about why I believe in God, aside from talking about answers to prayers and my delight in reading His Word, which is His Spirit resonating with my spirit.

God’s truth needs no argument to defend it. It is presented to people, then they have seeds planted in them. They may reject God’s Word or accept it immediately or later on. Hopefully the seeds take root and produce a wonderful harvest in due time.

A close atheist friend once tried to persuade me to engage in an online, recorded debate with him. He said, “Come on, this will be epic!” He was so sure he would win the debate and make religion look stupid.

I told him I was not allowed to debate about faith.

He replied, “What are you talking about? You can do anything you want.”

I told him that faith was a sacred thing and not something to fight about intellectually. You either have it or you do not.

Atheists do not reject God due to insufficient evidence of His existence. They reject God because they refuse to quit their favorite sins.

John 3

19And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil.

20Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.

21But whoever practices the truth comes into the Light, so that it may be seen clearly that what he has done has been accomplished in God.

CAUTION

There is a big difference between a legal argument, which GOD Presents to us - and a quarrel

The HOLY SCRIPTURES are a LEGAL ARGUMENT against SIN, by which GOD Won the Argument.

The LORD Jesus Christ presented this Argument from Heaven many times in His Gospel.
As did the Apostles.
As does Revelation.

Review Post 30 and.............Scripture

Acts 25:8 - Paul argued in his defense, “Neither against the law of the Jews, nor against the temple, nor against Caesar have I committed any offense.”

HOLY SPIRIT argues against sin = Acts 9:26-30
And when Saul had come to Jerusalem, he tried to join the disciples; but they were all afraid of him, and did not believe that he was a disciple. 27But Barnabas took him and brought him to the apostles. And he declared to them how he had seen the Lord on the road, and that He had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus. 28So he was with them at Jerusalem, coming in and going out.
29And he spoke boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus and disputed against the Hellenists, but they attempted to kill him.
30When the brethren found out, they brought him down to Caesarea and sent him out to Tarsus.

HOLY SPIRIT will argue thru us as this is the Will of GOD

But now I go away to Him who sent Me, and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ 6But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. 7Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.
8And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9of sin, because they do not believe in Me;
10of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more;
11of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

Remember, it is not your argument, nor mine but GOD's = His Argument is for us to escape His Judgment

God's Declarations are His Legal Arguments

Understanding Legal Declarations​

Definition of a Declaration​

A declaration is a written statement made under penalty of perjury. It is used in legal contexts to present facts to a court without the need for live testimony. The person making the declaration is known as the declarant, and they affirm that the information provided is true.

Purpose of Declarations in Legal Arguments​

Declarations serve several important functions in legal proceedings:

• Support for Motions: They are often included with motions or pleadings to bolster legal arguments.
• Verified Narrative: Declarations provide a verified account of facts based on the declarant's personal knowledge, which can be crucial for the court's understanding.
• Efficiency: They allow parties to present their side of the story succinctly, especially when time is limited during hearings.

The Holy Scriptures are all about GOD Winning over arguments = for us who Believe.

When GOD wins the argument, souls are won.

The arguments began in Genesis with the Serpent = "Did God really say........"

 

[Jack]

We should keep this scripture in mind at all times.

I repeat it to myself at least once a day.

2 Timothy 2:24

And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel, but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient.

Defending the Bible upsets LOTS of people. It's POWERFUL!

 

[amigo de christo]

Defending the Bible upsets LOTS of people. It's POWERFUL!

Yet let us all be on gaurd that when one defends the BIBLE
they are not rather defending what their men say about it and not what IT actually said .
That reminder is for all . For many they cling to what a pope and vatican calleth doctrine
For many its what their nar realm and its lost prophets say
For others it is whatever the own hearts desires , after the flesh , desire it to mean and to say .
THE key is , read for thine own self . When we do , do not read it
and alter what it says to fit what man has said . No , rather just enjoy and read it for ourselves .
You would marvel at how pure TRUTH is and HOW by THE SPIRIT things can become clearer and clearer .
Many prophets will prophesy thus sayeth the LORD
when in truth it was thus sayeth their hearts and their leader .
The latter works only destruction upon the doer of such .
SO allow me a short and brief summary of the key ones to avoid .
ANYTHING and ANYONE connected to ecumeincal incluivism intefaith dialogue .
Which pretty much just summed up about all main and key denominations known throughout the realm
commonly called christendom .
VERY deadly and dangerous times we now live in my friend .
And the dragon has done all to prepare a religoin of inclusion
by which to gather all the false religoins and in time ALL of the decieved lippers in christendom
TO serve the very beast and its agenda . To beleive in a god that all , not in the lambs book of life ,
will beleive to be GOD . And all not in the lambs book of life will marvel at the beast
that WAS and IS NOT ............................and yet IS . Powerful is the delusion of the inclusion
and of an ecumencial harlot who has sold her cup of this fornication
she calls ecumenalism and its intefaith . SO watch out one and watch out all for many now drink of that cup .

 

[Jack]

Yet let us all be on gaurd that when one defends the BIBLE
they are not rather defending what their men say about it and not what IT actually said .
That reminder is for all . For many they cling to what a pope and vatican calleth doctrine
For many its what their nar realm and its lost prophets say
For others it is whatever the own hearts desires , after the flesh , desire it to mean and to say .
THE key is , read for thine own self . When we do , do not read it
and alter what it says to fit what man has said . No , rather just enjoy and read it for ourselves .
You would marvel at how pure TRUTH is and HOW by THE SPIRIT things can become clearer and clearer .
Many prophets will prophesy thus sayeth the LORD
when in truth it was thus sayeth their hearts and their leader .
The latter works only destruction upon the doer of such .
SO allow me a short and brief summary of the key ones to avoid .
ANYTHING and ANYONE connected to ecumeincal incluivism intefaith dialogue .
Which pretty much just summed up about all main and key denominations known throughout the realm
commonly called christendom .
VERY deadly and dangerous times we now live in my friend .
And the dragon has done all to prepare a religoin of inclusion
by which to gather all the false religoins and in time ALL of the decieved lippers in christendom
TO serve the very beast and its agenda . To beleive in a god that all , not in the lambs book of life ,
will beleive to be GOD . And all not in the lambs book of life will marvel at the beast
that WAS and IS NOT ............................and yet IS . Powerful is the delusion of the inclusion
and of an ecumencial harlot who has sold her cup of this fornication
she calls ecumenalism and its intefaith . SO watch out one and watch out all for many now drink of that cup .

Some good points!

 

[amigo de christo]

Some good points!

and now i make a call unto all within the chambers of christendom .
CHOOSE YE THIS DAY whom and what ye SHALL LOVE
for it cannot BE THE TRUTH AND A LIE . YE cannot cliam TO BELIEVE the GOSPEL
and UNBELIEF . its one or it is the other but it cannot and it will not be both .
So the call i make toda y is
Let all who name the name OF JESUS CHRIST
depart from the inclusive god and his ecumiencal harlot
who by means of her intefaith dialgoue has PREACHED A LIE to all .
By claiming the m uslim , buddists and all other religoins are serving the SAME GOD
we do in different and diverse ways . THAT WHORE has sold a lie . A LIE of unbelief IN JESUS .
A LIE . And we simply cannot love , we cannot thus serve BOTH .
EITHER ITS THE TRUTH or its a lie WE BELEIVE but it cannot be both .

 

[amigo de christo]

CAUTION

There is a big difference between a legal argument, which GOD Presents to us - and a quarrel

The HOLY SCRIPTURES are a LEGAL ARGUMENT against SIN, by which GOD Won the Argument.

The LORD Jesus Christ presented this Argument from Heaven many times in His Gospel.
As did the Apostles.
As does Revelation.

Review Post 30 and.............Scripture

Acts 25:8 - Paul argued in his defense, “Neither against the law of the Jews, nor against the temple, nor against Caesar have I committed any offense.”

HOLY SPIRIT argues against sin = Acts 9:26-30
And when Saul had come to Jerusalem, he tried to join the disciples; but they were all afraid of him, and did not believe that he was a disciple. 27But Barnabas took him and brought him to the apostles. And he declared to them how he had seen the Lord on the road, and that He had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus. 28So he was with them at Jerusalem, coming in and going out.
29And he spoke boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus and disputed against the Hellenists, but they attempted to kill him.
30When the brethren found out, they brought him down to Caesarea and sent him out to Tarsus.

HOLY SPIRIT will argue thru us as this is the Will of GOD

But now I go away to Him who sent Me, and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ 6But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. 7Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.
8And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9of sin, because they do not believe in Me;
10of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more;
11of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

Remember, it is not your argument, nor mine but GOD's = His Argument is for us to escape His Judgment

God's Declarations are His Legal Arguments

Understanding Legal Declarations​

Definition of a Declaration​

A declaration is a written statement made under penalty of perjury. It is used in legal contexts to present facts to a court without the need for live testimony. The person making the declaration is known as the declarant, and they affirm that the information provided is true.

Purpose of Declarations in Legal Arguments​

Declarations serve several important functions in legal proceedings:

• Support for Motions: They are often included with motions or pleadings to bolster legal arguments.
• Verified Narrative: Declarations provide a verified account of facts based on the declarant's personal knowledge, which can be crucial for the court's understanding.
• Efficiency: They allow parties to present their side of the story succinctly, especially when time is limited during hearings.

The Holy Scriptures are all about GOD Winning over arguments = for us who Believe.

When GOD wins the argument, souls are won.

The arguments began in Genesis with the Serpent = "Did God really say........"

to the trenches the day is still young , but the hour be v ery late indeed .
we gots work to do my friend. known as JESUS pointing time . Sound the bugle and let the TRUMPET be heard ,
ITS JESUS Preaching time in the building .

 

[David in NJ]

CAUTION

We cannot defend the Bible if we do not believe what is written inside.

JESUS Says: "It is written, man shall not live on bread alone but on every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God"

 

[amigo de christo]

CAUTION

We cannot defend the Bible if we do not believe what is written inside.

JESUS Says: "It is written, man shall not live on bread alone but on every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God"

Heres another caution . If we dont beleive what is written , GUESS who we are calling a liar .
GOD . In fact if we are defending words contrary to what is written
Guess what god we are defending . IF ye said the father of lies , YOU SPOT ON RIGHT .
I dont think this generation really realizes just who its been loving on and has made its god .
But a real quick hint should answer that question .
NO LIE IS OF THE TRUTH . GOD cannot lie but HE IS TRUTH , AS CHRIST IS TRUTH .
So it aint GOD they be loving on at all .
Its this god , DID GOD really say ....................NAY NAY surely ye shall not ...........
That god who always desired to be AS GOD . For when a man loves a lie that WHO HE DO LOVE .
Just a friendly reminder . OH and thanks my friend for your reminder too .

 

[amigo de christo]

Some good points!

the call is being and has been made , CHOOSE YE THIS DAY whom ye shall serve .
Whether it be the gods of a well favored ecumeincal harlot who shall lead this people to its own demise ,
OR the GOD and HIS CH RIST , his words , his gospel . but it cannot be both .