Women Pastors / Teachers

[Big Boy Johnson]

Of course, I was QUOTING God's word

... as you ignore what the Lord said in His Word about church leaders are men

That's backward.

Not backwards at all... the devil knows God has ordained men to be the leaders so he set out to feminize men as a strategic moves against the Body of Christ

The temptation to do wrong and otherwise not follow the Lord's instructions always come from the devil... and it's the responsibility of men to put those temptations down so they are responsible for choosing to not follow the Lord's instructions... so they can please the women apparently and become squishy girly men

 

[Logikos]

Not backwards at all... the devil knows God has ordained men to be the leaders so he set out to feminize men as a strategic moves against the Body of Christ

That wasn't the point. The point was that having women in positions of leadership is a RESULT of the feminization of men, not the other way around.

The temptation to do wrong and otherwise not follow the Lord's instructions always come from the devil...

That's false.

There are five stages of sin....

1. Sin begins with evil desire
2. Evil desire conceives
3. Sin is born
4. Sin grows
5. Sin produces death

James 1:14-15

Notice how James fails to give Satan all the credit for sin the way you do. We are fallen sinful creatures. Satan got the ball rolling but we are perfectly capable of doing evil without his help. Plus, Satan is not omnipresent. He can't possibly be immediately responsible for every temptation that happens. In fact, there's a really excellent chance that he doesn't know that you or I exist. He's got much bigger fish to fry than to mess around with people such as us. Sure, there are demons here and there but not so many that even every Christian could be harassed by one, never mind everyone who sins. Besides, if the demon were to possess some people, say Hillary Clinton for example, it would be more like the demon was possessed!

and it's the responsibility of men to put those temptations down so they are responsible for choosing to not follow the Lord's instructions...

It is no more a responsibility for men to put down temptation than it is for women. You're treading close to misogyny here. Men are no better or worse than woman from a moral standpoint. They are more dispassionate and thereby able to make decisions based on facts and evidence over emotion than are women - generally speaking. The leadership role of men also serves symbolic purposes that help to teach the supremacy of Christ and His authority in all of our lives. It is not about men lording over women as though they are men's servants or in some other way beneath men.

so they can please the women apparently and become squishy girly men

I doubt that this is their motive. Most women hate girly men more then men do. I don't think they have a motive. It's just what happens when you don't discipline boys when they're young and act like you're scared that they might skin their elbow by wrestling with their friends in the dirt and you give them participation trophies for getting defeated in a little league baseball game to keep them from feeling bad about losing.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The point was that having women in positions of leadership is a RESULT of the feminization of men, not the other way around.

Exactly as the devil planned it... because he knows this is not God's Order and having women in positions of leadership is an open door for the devil to bring in deception simply because it's the opposite of God's will.

The devil always does things opposite of how God wants things to be... and people continually fall for satan's trucks due to a lack of knowledge of God's ways of doing and being right which can be found in His written Word.

That's false.

There are five stages of sin....

1. Sin begins with evil desire
2. Evil desire conceives
3. Sin is born
4. Sin grows
5. Sin produces death

That's your false opinion not based on God's Word

Sin begins with evil desire... that comes from the devil:

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

When man allows the devil's thoughts to enter in and choke God's Word (Mark 4:13-20) that's when satan gets a foot hold in people's lives.

It is no more a responsibility for men to put down temptation than it is for women.

That's what the false teachers keep claiming, but it's NOT what God's Word teaches homie!

In fact, satan is very well pleased that you make this claim since he is the author of such!

I doubt that this is their motive.

Most men will bow down to impress the women just so they won't be called misogynists

 

[Logikos]

Exactly as the devil planned it... because he knows this is not God's Order and having women in positions of leadership is an open door for the devil to bring in deception simply because it's the opposite of God's will.

The devil always does things opposite of how God wants things to be... and people continually fall for satan's trucks due to a lack of knowledge of God's ways of doing and being right which can be found in His written Word.

You spend too much effort thinking about Satan and finding demons behind every bush.

That's your false opinion not based on God's Word

Yeah, except that what I said came straight out of the book of James.

Sin begins with evil desire... that comes from the devil:

It comes from our flesh.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

When man allows the devil's thoughts to enter in and choke God's Word (Mark 4:13-20) that's when satan gets a foot hold in people's lives.

As I said, Satan is not omnipresent. There is precisely one of him.

That's what the false teachers keep claiming, but it's NOT what God's Word teaches homie! View attachment 40834

Okay, that's it. We're done. Go be a misogynistic fool with someone else.

Don't bother responding further. I will not read it.

 

[JohnD]

I championed this witch hunt at one time myself. From Miriam to Jezebel in Hebrew and Greek... then the Spirit posed a question to my heart. "Then it would be better that no one hear the Gospel than a woman preach or teach a man?"

The Bible repeatedly lays out the ideal (which we always fall short of in this life with our fallen human nature). Then there's Grace and God's condescension in non-dogmatic matters. Ideally there would be no need for women preachers if all the men called to the cloth stepped up. But most are too afraid or worldly minded to do the job.

As with all times men did not step up, God sent a women (from the prophetess Deborah to the women who went to Jesus' empty tomb).

Here's something most churches never teach: ALL believers are priests of God (Revelation 1:6 / Revelation 5:10 / 1 Peter 2:3-9). The clergy / laity division is Old Covenant not New Covenant. God did not realize the nation of priests he's hoped for in Exodus 19:6 because of the rebellion in Exodus 32 (from whence the Levites became the priestly tribe).

If a woman is called to ministry that involves preaching / teaching and it is not for some sanctimonious liberation reason (which is not a commission from God but a movement of mankind) then she is doing God's work.

Any male who has trouble with that... step up!!!

You minister!

You preach and teach!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You spend too much effort thinking about satan and finding demons behind every bush.

And those that are naive to how the enemy operates easily fall prey to his schemes

Yeah, except that what I said came straight out of the book of James.

And yet... you ignore other relevant and related scriptures... so your view is limited.

It comes from our flesh.

Still clueless as to the originals of the desires of the flesh I see...

Here's a hint for ya

As I said, Satan is not omnipresent. There is precisely one of him.

You forgot that he has millions of demons running around.

'Ol slewfoot is obviously having a field day with you!

Go be a misogynistic fool with someone else.

Matthew 5:22
whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I championed this witch hunt

I see so... honoring what the Lord teaches in His Word is... a witch hunt now.

 

[JohnD]

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I see so... honoring what the Lord teaches in His Word is... a witch hunt now. View attachment 40848

No... taking what God in his Word meant to be the ideal and not the practical and pursuing it with legalistic fervor IS a witch hunt.
Take the Sabbath for example. The Jews win Jesus' day tried to put Sabbath law over healing people. The Pharisees who tried to blast Jesus on this point were conducting a witch hunt.

 

[grumix8]

You have been defeated John -_- this twisting of the word only to exclude women from preaching has failed. You only wanted to troll people -_- and it is wrong. Don't come and post if the spirit is to deny people to preach and teach the bible women, have been doing that since the old testament teaching their children the stories of the bible. God told womne to do those things long before Peter was born. Remember john you are not the bible if people argue against you doesn't mean they are against the bible.

Stop trolling.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

No... taking what God in his Word meant to be the ideal and not the practical and pursuing it with legalistic fervor IS a witch hunt.
Take the Sabbath for example. The Jews win Jesus' day tried to put Sabbath law over healing people. The Pharisees who tried to blast Jesus on this point were conducting a witch hunt.

Well, you are in error on this topic. God's Word is not practical?

Church leaders are the husband of one wife (1 Timothy 3:1-13, Titus 1:6-9)... one has to have their mind blinded by the enemy to misunderstand this.

Ask any 4th grader, they can help you understand... they'll help you cut thru that dark cherry pickin power that leads people to ignore the simple reading of scripture and instead cling to the wisdom of men... or in this case, women!

 

[3 Resurrections]

Church leaders are the husband of one wife (1 Timothy 3:1-13, Titus 1:6-9)... one has to have their mind blinded by the enemy to misunderstand this.

There was no need to tell women elders (Presbyteras) to only have one husband. Which is why it was never brought up by Paul. But in those days among male elders (Presbyteros) polygamy was a real problem, and needed to be addressed. You are inventing a restriction on women elders which Paul knew nothing about and never taught. Indeed, Paul called men on the carpet for trying to shut women up who were speaking in the assemblies. He told the Corinthian men in no uncertain terms to "Forbid not" letting them speak.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

There was no need to tell women elders (Presbyteras) to only have one husband.

God has NOT anointed any women to be elders under the New Covenant... because they are not men who are husbands of one wife as clearly taught the New Covenant. It's so clear, one has to get help to misunderstand it!

Feel free to open yourself to deception by sitting under the authority of women even after God very plainly tells us men are the only ones that are given leadership and authority within the Body of Christ.

The idea that of women being in authority over men does not come from the Lord, but from 'ol slewfoot

 

[3 Resurrections]

Feel free to open yourself to deception by sitting under the authority of women even after God very plainly tells us men are the only ones that are given leadership and authority within the Body of Christ.

The idea that of women being in authority over men does not come from the Lord, but from 'ol slewfoot

The ideal which Christ designed for His church was not for anyone to be "lords over God's heritage" - neither women nor men. The members of an assembly are not to be "sitting under the authority" of ANYONE except the "head of all things to the church" - namely, Christ Jesus and the scriptures He gave. The members, like the noble Bereans, are to be constantly checking the scriptures daily as to whether the elders' teaching is true or not. Even Paul submitted himself to this checks and balances procedure, and commended the Bereans for it.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Well, picking and choosing which scriptures you want to believe and deciding to not accept others leads deception...

Ephesians 4:11-13
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

The Lord has provided offices of leadership... and women don't meet the qualification given in 1 Timothy 3:1-13, Titus 1:6-9
But hey, no need to let the Word of the Lord get in the way of what you believe!

 

[Jay Ross]

Another pointless thread discussion.

 

[3 Resurrections]

The Lord has provided offices of leadership..

There is no such thing in scripture as an "OFFICE" of leadership in the church. It's a ministry and a servanthood role. And you have yet to address the "elect lady" in 2 John and her "elect sister" who had "children" of the assemblies they led in the way of truth. John was giving directives as to whom this "elect lady" was not to admit into the fellowship of the believers. This was pastoral activity of protecting the flock.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Another pointless thread discussion.

And yet... you keep coming back!

And you have yet to address the "elect lady"

She's not an apostle, a prophet, an evangelist, a pastor, or a teacher... so she is someone working in the ministry of helps which is where woman serv, especially in the area of say an office manage or someone who takes care of business affairs in behalf of an apostle, a prophet, an evangelist, a pastor, or a teacher.

She's not a man (unless you think it's a he claiming to be transgender), and not the husband of one wife.. so based on scripture she is NOT an apostle, a prophet, an evangelist, a pastor, or a teacher... ignore God's Word at your own peril.

Obviously the feminization of men has caused a lot of men to reject the plain reading of God's Word concerning the qualifications the Lord has provided on who can bean apostle, a prophet, an evangelist, a pastor, or a teacher.... you are obviously one such person who has been compromised and feminized related to this topic.

 

[3 Resurrections]

She's not an apostle, a prophet, an evangelist, a pastor, or a teacher... so she is someone working in the ministry of helps which is where woman serv,

The "elect lady" is being taught by John in 2 John 9-10 how to protect the "children" of her assembly from those who might try to join the fellowship without having the proper doctrine of Christ. John was instructing this "elect lady" in protective pastoring activity of either receiving or rejecting members into the fellowship, depending on whether they came believing the doctrine of Christ or not . This "elect lady" was doing more than serving coffee and donuts in the entry hall (not to disparage this type of service.)

It is also quite simple to prove that there were women apostles (not the original twelve, of course) in the first century church by comparing a couple of texts. The signs of an apostle were "signs and wonders and mighty deeds" (2 Cor. 12:12). Speaking in tongues was a sign (1 Cor. 14:22). Women in the early church were prophesying and speaking in tongues at Pentecost (the Joel 2:28-32 prophecy of the Holy Spirit being poured out on all flesh in those days - daughters and handmaidens as well). Since women were performing the signs of an apostle, this means there were women apostles in those days.

Saul / Paul before his conversion was haling some of these women along with the men and throwing them all into prison. Saul / Paul would not have done that if the women had not been active participants in preaching the word. The OT had predicted that women would be preaching the word. As predicted in Psalms 68:11. "The Lord giveth the word: the women that publish the tidings are a great host."

When scripture in 1 Corinthians 12:28 ranks the roles in the ministry in order of priority, it is "first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues." We can prove from scripture that women were apostles (meaning "sent ones" - in addition to the original 12 Apostles), and also prophets (as the four prophetess daughters of Philip in Acts 21:9). If these primary roles were not forbidden to women in the early church, then none of the lesser ranked roles would have been either.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

This "elect lady" was doing more than serving coffee and donuts in the entry hall (not to disparage this type of service.)

That's your opposition to God's Word opinion. Thanks for sharing.

It's no problem for me if you want to sit under those not qualified to be ministers that the Lord does not anoint to hold those positions... go right ahead, knock thyself out.

You obviously ignore the plain reading of scripture on this subject and folks that do this apparently have to learn the errors of their ways... the hard way. Enjoy!

 

[JohnD]

Well, you are in error on this topic. God's Word is not practical? View attachment 40866

Church leaders are the husband of one wife (1 Timothy 3:1-13, Titus 1:6-9)... one has to have their mind blinded by the enemy to misunderstand this.

Ask any 4th grader, they can help you understand... they'll help you cut thru that dark cherry pickin power that leads people to ignore the simple reading of scripture and instead cling to the wisdom of men... or in this case, women! View attachment 40865

As I said... I was once as invigorated as you on this subject antagonizing women preachers directly. Then the Holy Spirit (who wrote and who interprets the Word of God according to 2 Peter 1:20-21) set me straight.

Matthew 28:19–20 (KJV)
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Any hint of gender here?