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Wonderful Things, Long Planned and Sure

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  1. keras

    keras Writer of Bible study guides

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    [SIZE=medium]Isaiah 25:1-2 Lord, You are my God, I shall exult and praise You, for You have done [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]wonderful things, long planned and sure[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]. You have turned [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]cities into heaps of ruin, fortifications into rubble.[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] Buildings are swept away, never to be rebuilt.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]For this, [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]many cruel nations will then respect You[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] and treat You with awe.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Isaiah 25:4a & 9 Truly, You have been a [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]refuge to the poor and a help to the needy[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] in their distress, a [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]shelter from the tempest and shade from the heat. On that Day[/SIZE][SIZE=medium], people will say: See this is our God – we have waited for Him and [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]He will deliver us. This is the Lord, for whom we have waited, let us rejoice and exult in His deliverance.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Isaiah 25:4b & 11-12 For the enmity of the godless is like a storm, like the desert heat, but [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]You silence the clamour of the foe [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]and their noise dies away. For the hand of the Lord will come upon [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]this mountain[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] and [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]the inhabitants will be trampled under Him[/SIZE][SIZE=medium], as straw is trodden into a dunghill. They will try to escape, but the Lord will bring down their pride, [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]despite their clever plans[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]. He will [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]destroy the fortified defences[/SIZE][SIZE=medium], they will be brought down to dust.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=medium]Isaiah 26:4-6 Trust in the Lord forever! For He is an eternal Rock, He humbles all those [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]high and mighty dwellers of a towering city[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]. He levels it to the ground – lays it to the dust, so that the oppressed may tread it underfoot.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Reference: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses condensed.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=medium]These prophesies are written in present and past tense, as though they have been fulfilled. But we can see they haven’t as yet, so this is written like it is because its fulfilment is certain and sure. The Lord’s plans, wonderful things to happen and we who ‘trust in the Lord and[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]wait for Him, will rejoice in His salvation’[/SIZE].
    [SIZE=medium]You silence the enemy – [/SIZE]The godless nations who conspire to destroy Israel. Psalm 83:13-17, Isaiah 34:2-3
    [SIZE=medium]despite their clever plans –[/SIZE] They devise a cunning plot and prepare their weapons. Psalm 83:2, Isaiah 22:6
    [SIZE=medium]this mountain –[/SIZE] this refers to the holy Land. Micah 4:2
    [SIZE=medium]the inhabitants trampled –[/SIZE] All of the Middle East virtually wiped out. Ezekiel 30:2-5
    [SIZE=medium]cities ruined – [/SIZE]The fire storms and earthquakes of a huge CME will do this. Isaiah 30:25-28, Isaiah 17:1-3, Habakkuk 3:12-13, Revelation 6:12-17
    [SIZE=medium]the proud dwellers of a tall city –[/SIZE] Babylon; the ungodly peoples. Jeremiah 50:22-24, Revelation 18:8
    [SIZE=medium]fortresses and defences into rubble –[/SIZE] All military installations, missiles, etc will be destroyed. Psalm 76:3, Amos 5:9
    [SIZE=medium]nations will be in awe –[/SIZE] All false religions and gods will be discredited. Isaiah 2:17-18, Isaiah 66:17
    [SIZE=medium]refuge to the poor and needy –[/SIZE] This is a metaphor for the Lord’s righteous people. Isaiah 41:17, Psalm 70:1-5
    [SIZE=medium]He will deliver us [/SIZE]– those who keep the faith and trust the Lord. Psalm 72:12-14
    [SIZE=medium]shade from the heat [/SIZE]– the terrible fire ball of a superheated coronal mass ejection. Isaiah 31:5, Isaiah 60:2, Zephaniah 2:3, Psalm 61:1-5
    [SIZE=medium]on that Day [/SIZE]– The Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, the next prophesied event. His enemies are punished, but His people are protected and will soon move into the holy Land, to fulfil their destiny.
     
  2. Retrobyter

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    Shalom, keras.

    I do like the way you think and consider prophecy; you have a knack for bringing together prophetic Scriptures into a harmony that seems like a good weave and mesh of truth; however, I must insist that you take the time to READ each of these prophecies for keys to the past as well as to the future. Some of these prophecies were already fulfilled in the past, never to be repeated. Some of these prophecies have yet to be fulfilled; THEY are the ones on which you should focus and let the other go! A prophecy CANNOT be used over again, or it makes its fulfillment unintelligible and unpredictable.

    Now, when I say “READ each of these prophecies,” I am talking about reading the WHOLE of the prophecy and that will often demand that one read the WHOLE book in which that verse or portion of verses is found. BE SURE that you are indeed talking about the future before you use a verse pulled out of that context for what you are trying to put together.

    Sometimes a portion of Scripture is talking about general, universal truths, but more often than some Christians realize, the passage is SPECIFIC and applied to a PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME and should NOT be taken as a universal truth! It takes one who is wiling to read a passage of Scripture in its entirety - in its context - to be sure that one is not pulling a verse or two out of context and making it say something it was never intended to say, and it takes one who has discernment to know the difference between what should be taken as a universal truth and what should be taken as a "specific-to-that-point-in-time" truth.

    For instance, consider carefully the portion of Yirmeyahu’s prophecy, Jeremiah 50:22-24. The text goes on to say, ...

    Jeremiah 51:43-44
    43 Her cities have become a desolation,
    a dry and arid land,
    a land where no one lives,
    where no human being passes through.
    44 I will punish Bel in Babylon.
    I will make him vomit what he swallowed.
    The nations will no longer stream to him;
    even Babylon’s wall will fall.

    HCSB

    and ...

    Jeremiah 51:59-64
    59 This is what Jeremiah the prophet commanded Seraiah son of Neriah son of Mahseiah, the quartermaster, when he went to Babylon with King Zedekiah of Judah in the fourth year of Zedekiah’s reign. 60 Jeremiah wrote on one scroll about all the disaster that would come to Babylon; all these words were written against Babylon.
    61 Jeremiah told Seraiah, “When you get to Babylon, see that you read all these words aloud. 62 You must say, ‘Lord, You have threatened to cut off this place so that no one will live in it—man or beast. Indeed, it will remain desolate forever.’ 63 When you have finished reading this scroll, tie a stone to it and throw it into the middle of the Euphrates River. 64 Then say, ‘In the same way, Babylon will sink and never rise again because of the disaster I am bringing on her. They will grow weary.’ ”
    The words of Jeremiah end here.

    HCSB

    This is the prophecy from God written down by Yirmeyahu the prophet, the “weeping prophet,” who lived at the time that Yerushalayim was taken captive to Bavel (Babylon). Be as sure of your history as you are of your view of the future. Thanks.
     
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    keras Writer of Bible study guides

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    Thank you, Retrobyter, your comment is reasoned and sensible.
    However you do not know how intensively I have studied the Bible. Over the last 5 years, I have written 4 books, over 500 articles, compiled a Scripture Subject reference and regularly contributed in 10 or 12 forums. I do not claim to know it all, my task is just a messenger, that is what my name means. I point out what the Prophets actually said.

    Your example of Jeremiah 51:43-64 does partly speak of the Exile period of the Jews in Babylon. But verse 43 is preceded by Jer. 51:42 The sea has surged over Babylon, she is covered by its roaring waters.
    HUH? Babylon is 1000s of miles from the ocean! This prophecy is, therefore, talking about a 'type' of Babylon and I believe that type is now the Western nations. And did v 43 literally come true in ancient times? No; some people still lived there and travelled thru it. I see Jer. 51:36-37 & 59-64 as being the fulfilment for ancient Babylon, then end times prophecy 38-58. Note Jer. 51:55 The advancing wave booms and roars, like mighty waters, for the Lord is despoiling Babylon. REB. [The NIV incorrectly inserts 'of enemies'] Verses 42 & 55, refer to the massive tsunamis that will be generated by the earth 'reeling and shaking' Isaiah 13:13, on the Lord's Day of vengeance and wrath. Amos 5:8-9
     
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    [SIZE=medium]2 Esdras 3:17-22 Lord, You rescued Jacob’s descendants from Egypt and led them to Mt Sinai. There You made the heavens bow down and by Your glory, gave the Commandments to the Israelites. But You did not take away their evil hearts and thus enable Your Law to bear fruit in them. For as Adam sinned, so all his offspring are inveterate sinners and the good of the Law came to nothing. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]2 Esdras 4:23-37 Why has Israel been scattered among the nations? Why are Your people, those whom You love, living in the godless nations? Why has the Law of our fathers and our Covenant with You, been discarded? Our lives are short, are we even worthy of Your pity? What will He do for us, we who bear His Name[/SIZE]?
    [SIZE=medium]Those who are living at the end of the age will see and marvel. This present age is full of sorrow and weakness, people are unable to grasp what is promised in due time for His godly people. Until the full crop of evil has been reaped and the ground on which it was sown has been cleansed, there will be no room for the place where the good will be sown. Terrible will be the harvest[/SIZE], one seed of evil has produced a great crop of godlessness!

    [SIZE=medium]But when? How long must we wait? The reply: Do not be in a hurry for yourselves alone, the Most High is concerned for the many. The same question is asked by the righteous in the storehouse of the souls: How long must we stay here? [Revelation 6:10-11] As soon as the tally of those like yourselves is complete. The Lord has measured and numbered the ages, He will alter nothing, the appointed time must be reached.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]2 Esdras 6:17-28 The time draws near when I shall come to judge the earth’s inhabitants, a time when I shall enquire into the wickedness of the wrongdoers and the time when Zion’s humiliation will be over. All will see this judgement at the same moment – a loud trumpet blast will strike terror[/SIZE] into all who hear it. Whoever is left after all that will be saved and will see the salvation that I bring. Wickedness will be blotted out, but faithfulness will flourish and truth will be revealed.
    [SIZE=medium]2 Esdras 9:1-12 Watch carefully, when you see earthquakes, insurrections, unstable governments and panic among the leaders, then you will understand that the time is near for the Most High to begin to judge the world. The times determined by the Most High are marked; the beginning by portents and miracles, the end by manifestations of power[/SIZE]. All who come safely through, thanks to their good deeds or the faith they have shown, [SIZE=medium]will survive the dangers I have foretold and will witness the salvation [/SIZE]I shall bring to My Land, the special area set apart for eternity as My own.
    [SIZE=medium]Then those who have neglected My ways, will be taken by surprise, their contempt for their Maker will bring them to destruction. All who disdained My Laws while freedom was still theirs, who scornfully dismissed the idea of penitence while the way was still open, all these must learn the truth through torments after death. The just will be saved, the world is theirs and for their sake it exists[/SIZE]. [SIZE=medium]Reference: REB Apocrypha. Some verses condensed.[/SIZE]
     
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    Peter tells the truth for our days:

    A letter to the Elect peoples of God, scattered around the world:
    Praise to God and to our Lord Jesus for the hope of salvation and for the protection of His power. Be joyful, although you may have to suffer for a little while, as you pass through the assayers fire. Since Christ endured bodily suffering, you too must expect this judgement as the end of all days is upon us, but do not be taken aback by the fiery ordeal which has come to test you as though you did not know it was coming.
    All that has happened concerning Jesus, confirms for us the messages of the prophets, which you will all do well to take seriously. What they say has been given to us by the Holy Spirit and interpretation is by comparing scripture with scripture. Just as in the past there were false prophets and teachers, so it is now. Those who have misled My people will suffer dire punishment.

    Note this: In the last days scoffers will come, they will mock and say: ‘What happened to His promised coming? Nothing has changed as yet’. They forget how God destroyed all the wicked peoples in Noah’s day and now the world is reserved for burning and again the godless will be destroyed. The great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath will come unexpectedly, with the heavens tearing apart, flames will envelope the earth and with a loud noise ALL the earth will be brought to judgement.
    In expectation of this, do your best to be found at peace with God. Friends: you have been warned, take care that you do not be taken in by wrong theories and false teachings, but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
    To Him be all the glory!

    Ref: R.E.Bible 1 & 2 Peter, condensed.
     
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    [SIZE=medium]Habakkuk 2:1-20 I will stand on the ramparts and [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]learn what the Lord is saying to us[/SIZE][SIZE=medium].[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]The Lord says: Write this down and make it clear for all to see; The revelation awaits the [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]appointed time,[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] it speaks of [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]the time of the end[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] and will not prove false. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Though it delays, wait for it, it will surely come before too long[/SIZE].
    [SIZE=medium]The reckless will lack an assured future[/SIZE][SIZE=medium],[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] while the righteous will live by being faithful.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]As for the person who is proud, arrogant and treacherous; they will not win in the end, because they are as greedy as the grave. The nations and peoples follow in this error, but surely they will face ridicule and those who have ill-gotten gains will be scorned. Their debtors will suddenly rise up and the creditors will become victims, instead.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Those who have shed blood and inflicted violence to cities and have plundered nations, now; the rest of the world will plunder you. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium] Woe betide those who seek unjust gain, their schemes will bring dishonour and put their lives at risk. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium] Woe betide those who build their lives on crime and lies. Those nations labour for a pittance and their peoples exhaust themselves for nothing. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium] Woe betide those who make others drink the outpouring of God’s wrath,[/SIZE] they will be filled with shame when it is their turn to face judgement.
    [SIZE=medium]Woe to those who seek guidance from idols or divinators, they are useless and of no value.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]The Lord is in His Holy Temple, let all the earth be silent in His presence. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Reference: REB, NIV. Some verses abridged. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Bible prophecy does tell us what will happen ‘at the appointed time’[/SIZE]. James 5:7-11
    [SIZE=medium]The proud and arrogant peoples will be brought low. Psalm 5:5-6 While the godless face insecurity, those who discern the end times and understand the prophetic Word, will maintain their faith and live in quiet trust for a blessed future. Isaiah 30:15, Prov. 3:5[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]The ‘cup of God’s wrath’[/SIZE], is symbolic of His anger. Jeremiah 25:15-38 In Noah’s day, God’s wrath came as a flood, but now we are told: [SIZE=medium]the earth is reserved for burning[/SIZE]2 Peter 3:5-7 and in Deut. 32:22 & 34-35 [SIZE=medium]I have sealed up in My storehouse, a fire, set ablaze by My anger, waiting the Day of punishment and vengeance[/SIZE]. Psalm 50:3-6
    [SIZE=medium]It will be poured out upon all the world, Isaiah 2:12-21, Rev. 6:12-17, but especially onto the Middle East region. Psalm 83:1-8, Ezekiel 30:1-5, as the great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, a C.M.E. sunstrike, that will be a world changing event. Huge numbers will be killed, Jeremiah 9:22, Isaiah 66:16 and as the survivors recover, they will form a One World government. Daniel 7:23-24, Rev 17:12[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Meanwhile, those who have kept their faith and trust in the Lord, Jer. 7:7-8, will be motivated to emigrate to the Holy Land, where they will settle and live peacefully. Isaiah 62:1-5, Psalm 107 Those who follow their own lusts and desires will ‘lack an assured future’[/SIZE], that is they may survive the forthcoming fire judgement, but must face the Great Tribulation. On the other hand, the righteous will live under the care and protection of the Lord. Amos 9:13-15, Isaiah 24:4, Jer. 33:12-13, Col. 1:11-12
    [SIZE=medium]The Shekinah Glory will return to the new Temple, in Jerusalem. Ezekiel 43:2 Then, after all that is prophesied, has taken place: Jesus will Return to reign for 1000 years. [/SIZE]
     
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    [SIZE=medium]Our Test by Fire[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=medium]Ecclesiasticus 51:1-6 I shall give thanks to You, my Lord and King, I shall praise You as my Saviour, because You are my protector and helper. You rescue me from destruction, from the traps of my enemies – those who invent lies, those who wait to devour me. In the fullness of Your mercy, You rescue me from the hands that threaten my life, the many troubles that I endure, from the choking fire that envelopes me [/SIZE]and from the grave. Isaiah 35:3-4, Psalm 11:5-6, Psalm 97:10-12, Psalm 121:1-8, Isaiah 51:6, Habakkuk 3:13

    [SIZE=medium]Eccl. 51:7-10 On every side I was surrounded and there was no one to help. I looked for human aid and there was none. Then I remembered Your mercy, what You did in days long past. You deliver those who put their trust in You[/SIZE] and free them from their enemies. Psalm 31:4-5, Psalm 34:19-22, Psalm 108:12-13
    [SIZE=medium] From the earth, I send up my prayer, begging to be rescued from death.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium] I cried: Lord God – You are my Father, do not abandon me in my time of trouble, when I am helpless in the face of arrogance. Isaiah 54:17, Joel 3:16, Psalm 34:17[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium] Psalm 37:39-40, Psalm 62:1-8, Psalm 91:14-16[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=medium]Eccl. 51:11-12 My petition was granted, now I shall praise You and make thanksgiving. You saved me from destruction, bringing me out from my desperate plight, I shall bless the Name of the Lord. Nahum 1:7, Zechariah 9:16, Isaiah 12:1-6[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=medium]Eccl. 51:23-30 You that are uninformed, come to Me and listen to My instruction. Why lack knowledge and leave your thirst unslaked? Psalm 19:7, Isaiah 51:7-8[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium] The Lord proclaims: Buy wisdom for yourself, without cost – it is not far from you. May you delight in the Lord’s mercy and never be ashamed of praising Him. Do your duty at this time and in His time, He will give you your reward.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Reference: REB Apocrypha, some verses abridged.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium] Psalm 13:5, Psalm 37:5, Psalm 56:3-4, Psalm 62:8, Isaiah 30:15, Ezekiel 34:22-31[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=medium]1 Corinthians 3:13-15 The work that each person does will, at the last be brought to light; the Day of judgement will expose it. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]For that Day dawns in fire[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] and the fire will test the worth of each persons work. If anyone’s legacy survives, they will be rewarded, if the fire destroys it, they will have to bear the loss – yet [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]they will escape with their life, though only by passing through the fire[/SIZE][SIZE=medium].[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Psalm 62:11-12 Two things God has spoken that I have learned: All power belongs to God and unfailing love is His, because You reward everyone according to what they have done. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]James 1:12 Happy is the person who stands firm in time of trial. If you pass safely through the time of testing, you will receive as your reward the life which God has promised to those who love Him.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Ref: REB, NIV. Some verses abridged. [/SIZE]
     
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    The following seventy three Bible verses describe the forthcoming Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath, which will take the form of a coronal mass ejection, sunstrike. This is the next prophesied event, the fulfilment of Psalm 83 and the sixth seal of Revelation. Note that in three quarters of these verses, it categorically states how it is the Lord who instigates this fire judgement.
    Deuteronomy 32:22 For fire is set ablaze by My anger, it burns to the depths of Sheol, it devours the increase of the earth, its flames reach into the mountains.
    2 Samuel 22:9-10 He parted the heavens, with smoke, devouring fire and searing heat.
    Job 18:5 The tents of the evildoer are burned and brimstone destroys them.
    Psalm 11:6 He will rain down burning coals and brimstone upon the godless peoples.
    Psalm 18:7-15 The earth quaked as the Lord came in devouring fire. He covered Himself in darkness.
    Psalm 21:8-9 You burn up Your enemies, like a fiery furnace, You consume them.
    Psalm 29:7 The Lord’s shout strikes with flaming fire.
    Psalm 37:20 Evil people will die, they will be incinerated and go up in smoke.
    Psalm 50:3 Our God is coming, a consuming fire runs ahead of Him and around Him a storm rages
    Psalm 66:12 You allowed men to rule us, we passed through fire, now we live in safety.
    Psalm 83:14-15 As fire rages through a forest, as flames on the hills – terrify them with storms.
    Psalm 97:3-4 Fire goes before Him, all around it burns up His enemies, the whole earth sees and trembles.
    Psalm 140:10 May the Lord throw my enemies into the fire. .
    Psalm 144:5-6 Lord, part the heavens and come down, cause volcanoes and flashes of fire.
    Isaiah 1:31 The deeds of the unrighteous will be as a spark, all will burn together with no one to put out the fire.
    Isaiah 4:4 At that time the Sovereign Lord will cleanse Jerusalem with a judgement of fire.
    Isaiah 9:18-19 For evil burned and went up in smoke, the Land was scorched and the people were fuel for the fire.
    Isaiah 10:17 The Light of Israel will become a fire, it will burn and consume His enemies in a day
    Isaiah 13:13 The heavens and the earth will shake on the Day the Lord vents His blazing anger.
    Isaiah 24:1-4 Be warned: the Lord is about to strip the earth and scatter its inhabitants. The earth will dry and wither up.
    Isaiah 26:11 You, O Lord are ready to act, but people don’t see it. Let the fire reserved for Your enemies consume them.
    Isaiah 29:6 Punishment will come from the Lord, with thunder, earthquakes, storms and consuming flames of fire.
    Isaiah 30:26-28 On that Day, the sun will shine seven times brighter. The Lord comes in anger, His tongue a devouring fire, to sieve the nations.
    Isaiah 31:9 They will surrender their stronghold to the Lord, the One whose fire blazes in Zion.
    Isaiah 47:14 Astrologers and divinators will be as stubble as the fire burns them up.
    Isaiah 50:11 Look: all you who start a fire, that is what you will receive from Me.
    Isaiah 62:1 For Zion’s sake, I will not remain quiet. Her deliverance comes, burning like a torch.
    Isaiah 66:15-16 The Lord comes in fire, like a whirlwind, bringing retribution in His furious anger. He will judge with fire and many will be slain by Him.
    Jeremiah 4:4 Dedicate yourself to the Lord, if not, My anger will blaze up in flaming fire.
    Jeremiah 5:14 ...those people will be like firewood, that My fiery judgement will burn up.
    Jeremiah 6:29 The fiery bellows of judgement burn fiercely to refine My people.
    Jeremiah 7:20 The Lord says: My raging fury will be poured out, it will burn un extinguished.
    Jeremiah 11:16 You were a beautiful tree, but I will set you on fire, a mighty blaze.
    Jeremiah 15:14...For My anger is like a fire that will flare up against you.
    Jeremiah 17:27 ...if you disobey, I will set Jerusalem on fire, no one will be able to put it out.
    Jeremiah 21:12-14 Dispense justice or the fire of My fury will blaze up and burn unquenched.
    Jeremiah 48:45 Flames will burst out and burn the people of Moab.
    Jeremiah 49:2 The time is coming when Ammon will be burnt to ashes.
    Jeremiah 49:27 I shall set fire to Damascus, it will burn up that city.
    Jeremiah 50:32 Babylon will fall, I will set fire to your towns, it will burn up everything around.
    Lamentations 2:3 In His fierce anger, He withdraws His protecting hand and He blazes in Judah as a raging fire.
    Ezekiel 15:6-8 ...the residents of Jerusalem will be as fuel for the fire. I will make their Land desolate.
    Ezekiel 19:14 Fire bursts forth in the vine, [Israel] burning up its shoots. It has no strong branch anymore, no sceptre for those who bear rule.
    Ezekiel 20:47-48 I will start a fire in the Land, flames that will scorch all the area. All will see that it is I, the Lord who has set it ablaze.
    Ezekiel 21:15 My sword of wrath, ready to kill – flashing like lightning.
    Ezekiel 21:28 A sword is drawn for slaughter against the Ammonites – flashing like lightning.
    Ezekiel 22:20 As metal is smelted in a furnace, so I will deal with you, Israel.
    Ezekiel 30:16 I will set Egypt on fire.
    Hosea 8:14 Israel and Judah have forgotten their Maker – I will send fire upon them.
    Joel 1:19-20 To You, Lord, I cry out, for fire has consumed the pastures and trees of the Land.
    Joel 2:3 It comes in devastating fire, as a leaping flame, leaving behind a desolate waste.
    Joel 2:30-31 On the great and terrible Day of the Lord, the sky and the earth will show blood, fire and smoke.
    Amos 1:4 Therefore, I shall send fire on Damascus [Syria]
    Amos 1:7 Therefore, I shall send fire on Philistia. [Palestine]
    Amos 1:10 Therefore, I shall send fire on Tyre. [Lebanon]
    Amos 1:12 Therefore, I shall send fire on Edom. [the ungodly nations]
    Amos 1:14 Therefore, I shall send fire on Ammon. [Jordan]
    Amos 2:2 Therefore, I shall send fire on Moab. [Southern Jordan]
    Amos 2:5 Therefore, I shall send fire on Judah and Jerusalem. [The State of Israel]
    Micah 1:3 No one can withstand His fierce anger, His wrath is like a volcanic fire.
    Zephaniah 1:18 ..the whole land will be consumed by His fiery wrath, destruction comes to all the earth. He will make a sudden and terrifying end to all who live in the Land.
    Zephaniah 2:2 Prepare yourselves before the Lord’s burning anger comes upon you.
    Zephaniah 3:8 Wait for Me, for the Day that I accuse you and pour out My burning anger, the whole earth will be consumed by the fire of My wrath.
    Haggai 2:21-22 I shall shake the heavens and the earth and break the powers of the heathen.
    Zechariah 12:6 On that Day, Judah will be as a torch that will burn up the surrounding nations.
    Zechariah 13:9 I shall pass the remaining third through the fire and refine them.
    Malachi 3:2-3 Who can endure that Day? He is like refiners fire, testing and purifying.
    Malachi 4:1 The Day comes; burning like a furnace. That Day will burn up all evildoers.
    Matthew 3:12 ...the chaff, He will burn up in an inextinguishable fire.
    2 Peter 3:7 The present heaven and earth are reserved for fire, on the Day of judgement.
    1 Corinthians 3:13Every persons works will be revealed by fire. The destruction of the ungodly.
    Hebrews 8:26-27 For if we deliberately persist in sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there remains only the terrifying expectation of a fierce fire that will consume God’s enemies.
    Revelation 14:18 Then the angel who has authority over fire called out; Now is the time to reap the earth. The harvest is ripe to be gathered into the great winepress of God.
    Reference: REB, NIV, NET. Some verses abridged.
     
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    keras Writer of Bible study guides

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    [SIZE=medium]Isaiah 63:7-10 I shall tell of the Lord’s unfailing love and of the great things He has done for His people, in His compassion for Israel. He said: surely they are My people, they will not be false with Me. So, He, Himself delivered then from their troubles. He carried them through all the days of old. Yet, they rebelled and grieved His Holy Spirit, so He turned against them and allowed enemies to conquer them. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium] [God chose and prepared a nation that would be His friends and a witness about Him to the world. Sadly, they rebelled against their Maker, so their punishment was exile. This was to be for a defined period, Ezekiel 4:4-6, Leviticus 26:18 and now we look forward to the full gathering of all righteous believers to the Holy Land.][/SIZE]

    [SIZE=medium]Isaiah 63:11-14 When in exile, they recalled the days long past and how Moses shepherded his flock through the sea and into the Promised Land, by the power of the Holy spirit. Thus, You led Your people and thereby gained everlasting renown.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=medium]Isaiah 63:15-16 Look down from the heavens – Your lofty throne and see us, Lord, for You are our father. Where now, is Your zeal and Your valour, You are withholding Your compassion from us. Even though Abraham may not know us and Israel does not acknowledge us, [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]You, Lord, are our Father and our Redeemer from of old.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium] [“Abraham does not know us and Israel does not acknowledge us[/SIZE]” The ten Northern tribes, now lost to general knowledge, can still call on their[SIZE=medium] Father and Redeemer of old[/SIZE]. They are todays Christians, from every nation and language. Rev. 7:9]

    [SIZE=medium]Isaiah 63:17-19 Why, Lord, do You let us wander from Your ways and harden our hearts, so that we no longer revere You? Turn again for the sake of Your servants, the tribes that are Your inheritance.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium] Why have enemies trespassed on Your sanctuary?[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Why have our enemies trampled the Land? [/SIZE]You have not ruled over them, they are not Your subjects. We are Your people from ancient times, Your servants and witnesses.

    [SIZE=medium]Psalm 106:47 Deliver us, Lord our God, and gather us from among the nations, so that we may give thanks to Your Name and make Your praise our pride[/SIZE].

    [SIZE=medium]Reference: Revised English Bible. Some verses abridged.[/SIZE]
     
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    Hi keras,
    I'm sort of on a quest to identify how end-time events play out in respect to the many different interpretations that are out there. I believe I've understood that the next upcoming event you are looking for is the war of Psalms 83. Is that right? Is there any end-time events that would precede that? After this war how does the rest of end-time prophecies play out up to the last events before the Millennium? I'd be grateful for your input. Doesn't have to be detailed, just a brief synopsis will do.
     
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    keras Writer of Bible study guides

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    Here is a sequence of events that is scripturally supported, logical and fits with the time parameters:
    [SIZE=11pt]End times sequence:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=11pt]Soon to happen:[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt] The great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, a CME sunstrike. Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1 It is the Sixth Seal / Psalm 83 event. Worldwide devastation and the Middle East is cleared and cleansed, Ezekiel 30:1-5 It will be the fulfilment of Psalm 83, Isaiah 2:12-21, 2 Peter 3:7 A small Jewish remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Isaiah 4:3 Many will die around the world: Isaiah 51:6, Jer.9:22, but most will survive and eventually re-establish the infrastructure. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=11pt] The Seventh seal is ‘about’ a 20 year time gap until the Return of Jesus. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=11pt]In a short while[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]: Isaiah 29:17, all the holy Land will be regenerated and the Lord’s people, righteous Israel, be they true descendants of Jacob or grafted in, will gather in the new country of Beulah, all the area from the Nile to the Euphrates. Isaiah 62:1-5 They will live in peace and security and 144,000 missionaries are selected from them, to go out to all peoples and proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Revelation 7 & 14, Isaiah 66:19[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=11pt]The rest of the nations will form a One World Government[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt], led by ten Presidents. Daniel 7:24 Before long, three will be taken over and the other seven will confer their power onto another strong leader. Daniel 11:21, Revelation 13:1-8[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=11pt]After a few years:[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt] a Northern confederation, led by a person referred to as Gog, will be motivated to attack Beulah – an unprotected land, of great wealth. They will be totally wiped out and it takes seven years to bury them and clean the land. Ezekiel 38 & 39, Joel 2:20[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=11pt]Sometime later,[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt] the strong leader of the World Government, will make a seven year treaty with Beulah. This marks the commencement of the seventieth ‘week’ [seven years] of Daniel. There is a 3½ year period of calm and peace in the world. Daniel 9:27[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=11pt]After that[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]: the world dictator comes to Jerusalem in force and declares himself to be god in the new Temple. This starts the Great Tribulation, the trumpet and bowl judgements. The ‘Woman’- righteous Israel, are taken to a place of safety for 1260 days. Zechariah 14:2, Revelation 12:14[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=11pt]Then comes the Glorious Return of Jesus[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]: The battle of Armageddon, Jesus destroys the army of the Anti-Christ by the Sword of His Word and chains up Satan.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=11pt]The regathering of Israel and all those who have kept faithful. Matthew 24:30-31[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=11pt]The 1000 year Millennium reign of King Jesus and His resurrected saints. [/SIZE]

    [SIZE=11pt] The final attack against the holy city and the armies are instantly cremated. Satan is cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 16:13-16, Revelation 19:17-21[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=11pt]The Great White Throne judgement[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt], a New Heaven and a New Earth. Daniel 7:9-10, Revelation chapter 21[/SIZE]
     
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    OK, thanks keras. I will chew on that for a bit and let you know if I have any further questions.
     
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    Oh doesn't it make you want to just pass out free laptops to all the homeless naked hungry thirsty people so they can read this brilliance? Be sure to pry that pesky NEW TESTAMENT out of their cold stiff hands first...
     
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    Why don't you read it properly, Whitestone?
    Note: 8 N.T. quotes and 16 O.T. quotes.
     
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    I see you are from the "volume = value" club.

    There is not one thing wrong with the scriptures you quoted.

    It's your personal carnal nonsense you hose them over with. It's a joke... here's your first fatal error in your pitch;

    [SIZE=medium][[[These prophesies are written in present and past tense, as though they have been fulfilled. But we can see they haven’t as yet,]]][/SIZE]

    [SIZE=medium]And we are to believe YOU??[/SIZE]

    HERE is the ONLY ones who "can see they haven't as yet";

    (Mat 15:14) let them alone, guides they are--blind of blind; and if blind may guide blind, both into a ditch shall fall.'
    (Joh 12:40) `He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart, that they might not see with the eyes, and understand with the heart, and turn back, and I might heal them;'
    (Joh 8:43) wherefore do ye not know my speech? because ye are not able to hear my word.

    How do I know this?

    Well, I could show you how Isaiah is fulfilled in N.T. I have shown that all of the O.T. have been fulfilled in Christ. Totally. Perfectly. Scripturally. Spiritualy...
    But you've ignored them.

    And your fruits have resulted in two individuals I've seen here so far, who are actually now open to a "soon coming third temple" where they will be wide open to be led by a "Jew" to butcher up an animal on that altar.

    That is blasphemy and an abomination. We ALL know that.

    (Mat 7:20) therefore from their fruits ye shall know them.
     

    To begin with, there are sixty-one separate passages out of Isaiah quoted in eighty-five New Testament citations and innumerable parallels proving Isaiah fulfilled. Did you know that? Of course not. But you will, or others here reading will...

    And I'm only going to deal with One First. Okay, two... You and I will probably have a long discourse about these things so there will be time for the rest. But let's START here...

    (Luk 4:17) and there was given over to him a roll of Isaiah the prophet, and having unfolded the roll, he found the place where it hath been written:
    (Luk 4:18) `The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because He did anoint me; To proclaim good news to the poor, Sent me to heal the broken of heart, To proclaim to captives deliverance, And to blind receiving of sight, To send away the bruised with deliverance,
    (Luk 4:19) To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.'
    (Luk 4:20) And having folded the roll, having given it back to the officer, he sat down, and the eyes of all in the synagogue were gazing on him.
    (Luk 4:21) And he began to say unto them--`To-day hath this writing been fulfilled in your ears;'

    The very first time Jesus spoke publicly, He said Isaiah was fulfilled. He quoted out of Isa 58 and 61. The book of Isaiah... caps off the entire meaning of Isaiah, with the Christ- who would fulfill all the entire prophecies.

    Earlier, in those same prophecies, by that same Isaiah prophet, specifically, for your posted scriptures out of Isaiah 21 you quoted, to understand WHO and WHAT and WHEN He is speaking of, let's look at verse 3;

    (Isa 21:3) Therefore filled have been my loins with great pain, Pangs have seized me as pangs of a travailing woman, I have been bent down by hearing, I have been troubled by seeing.

    Fulfilled!

    (Joh 16:19) Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, Do ye enquire among yourselves of that I said, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me?

    (Joh 16:21) A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.
    (Joh 16:22) And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.

    It is the result of the birth pangs from suffering for righteousness sake, likened to a married (To Jesus) woman in travail pangs. Below I'm copying and pasting part of a post to "straightshot" who is also preaching "futurism" instead of the Gospel, on another thread...

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    (Rom 7:4) ... be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.


    The Marriage to Christ brings forth a "birthing" of a New Creation in us, "Born from Above";

    Joh 3:7 ...be born from above;

    (Joh 3:3) Jesus answered and said to him, `Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born from above, he is not able to see the reign of God;'


    Here is the picture of the Israel Bride of Christ, in travail pangs of tribulation, paining to bring forth this birth;

    Rev 12:1 And a great sign was seen in the heaven, a woman arrayed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars,

    Rev 12:2 and being with child she doth cry out, travailing and pained to bring forth.

    She is the New Jerusalem Church comprised of all believers;

    (Heb 12:22) But, ye came to Mount Zion, and to a city of the living God, to the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of messengers,
    (Heb 12:23) to the company and assembly of the first-born in heaven enrolled, and to God the judge of all, and to spirits of righteous men made perfect,
    (Heb 12:24) and to the mediator of the new covenant--Jesus, and to blood of sprinkling, speaking better things than that of Abel!

    This Zion/New Jerusalem is our Mother;

    (Gal 4:26) and the Jerusalem above is the free-woman, which is mother of us all,

    The "fruit" is the "man-child" in us that is conceived by The Husband and the Wife, commonly referred to in scriptures as "Christ in you";

    (Rom 8:10) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.


    Col 1:24) I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and do fill up the things lacking of the tribulations of the Christ in my flesh for his body, which is the assembly,

    (Joh 16:33) these things I have spoken to you, that in me ye may have peace, in the world ye shall have tribulation, but take courage--I have overcome the world.'
     
    All Christians down through time can relate to this.

    (Rom 5:3) And not only so , but we also boast in the tribulations, knowing that the tribulation doth work endurance;

    And finally; EVERY person who enters the Kingdom of God must endure the "tribulation". And the have been for 2000 years now. So it obviously isn't a one time future catastrophe as these futuristic threads embarrass to prove. Such a teaching altogether robs a man of what is, replacing it with a futuristic scenario of confusion that baffles even the OP... watch as the arguments begin about the insane ideas of "pre-mid-post trib" rapturist theories, and you'll never see so many blind people in a snake pit fumbling around in the dark. It's a circus. An embarrassment.

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    So there you have just one verse, ye two from Isaiah, showing fulfillment in the N.T., to those who CAN see. Shall I continue on? ALL of Isaiah is the GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST. The OT is the ONLY Bible the Apostles used, and in it they reveal to us what the law and the prophets said.

    (Luk 24:44) and he said to them, `These are the words that I spake unto you, being yet with you, that it behoveth to be fulfilled all the things that are written in the Law of Moses, and the Prophets, and the Psalms, about me.'

    So again Mr Keras, if you can't "see it fulfilled" doesn't mean Jesus was wrong and you are right.

    [SIZE=medium][[[Keras said; "These prophesies are written in present and past tense, as though they have been fulfilled. But we can see they haven’t as yet",]]][/SIZE]



    [SIZE=medium] [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]John 9:39 [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Jesus said, “For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.”[/SIZE]
     
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    So if I understand correctly you're saying after the soon to happen Sixth Seal / Psalms 83 event there will be @ 13 years before the 7 year covenant of the AC. Right?
     
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    The Seventh Seal is 'about a half hour in heaven'. Therefore it is just 'about 20 years on earth' and could be as much as 25 years or as little as 15 years. I believe, because God is not willing that any should perish, the period from the Sixth & Seventh Seal until the Return, including the 7 year peace treaty and the G.T., will be 15/16 years. This time is sufficient for all that is prophesied to take place.
    Contrary to a belief of many, the Sixth Seal does not commence the Great Trib. The G.T. 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls, is the last 3.5 years before the Return.
    The terrible Day of the Lord's wrath will be triggered by an attack on Israel by the peoples described in Psalm 83, including an attempted nuke missile strike from Iran. They will all be wiped out.

    Whitestone, you can keep your preterist beliefs that the Old Testament is all fulfilled. I, and many others disagree.
    Events will prove us right.
     
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    You haven't been right yet. Maybe you'll get lucky and somebody will get nuked and you'll sell a thousand more books in your endless quest... Do you know how many false prophets have bloviated this same nonsense before you and "events proved them a false prophet"? Are you and Harold Camping brothers per chance?



    Harold Camping dies at 92; preacher's Rapture forecasts fizzled



    Oakland-based radio preacher Harold Camping predicted, several times, exact dates for the end of the world. Ridicule grew as each day came and went uneventfully.

    December 18, 2013|Mitchell Landsberg











    Harold Camping in 2011. (Rick Loomis / Los Angeles…)


    Harold Camping didn't live to see the end of the world.
    The Oakland-based radio preacher, who died Sunday, drew international attention, much of it in the form of ridicule, when he predicted — more than once — the precise date of the Rapture and then had to concede his error. He was 92.
    Camping died at his home in Alameda after suffering a fall last month, according to a statement from his Family Radio Network.
    Convinced that he had unlocked hidden clues in the Bible, Camping predicted the end of the world no fewer than 12 times, beginning in 1978, according to an aide, and was persistent in the face of his repeated failures. The most famous of his prophecies was his next to last, when he named May 21, 2011, as Judgment Day and sent acolytes on a cross-country tour to warn people in the months leading up to it.
     
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    Whitestone, again your rant against the Prophetic truth that I present is just so much nasty innuendo and foolish diversionary tactics.

    How can I be a false prophet, when I make no claim to be any kind of prophet? I am just a messenger, I promote what the real prophets wrote.

    Please cease your silly posts, you have only succeeded to make yourself to be shallow and incapable of proper discussion.
     
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    A false prophet is someone who "knows not the Time" and puts it into the "future" like you and Harold Camping and the Pharisees did/do.

    (Jer 8:12) Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore shall they fall among them that fall; in the time of their visitation they shall be cast down, saith Jehovah.

    (Jer 10:15) They are vanity, a work of delusion: in the time of their visitation they shall perish.

    (Luk 19:44) and shall dash thee to the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

    You see, the people who die in their sins are those who "know not the time of their visitation".

    Those kind of woeful blind folk put everything off into the future. JUST LIKE THEY ALWAYS HAVE. You are no different than any other false prophet speaking futuristic devil induced doctrines.

    You fit right in here;

    Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
    Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
    Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
    Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
    Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
    Acts 13:6 And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name was Bar-jesus:
    2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
    1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
    Rev. 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
    Rev. 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
    Rev. 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

    But I know you. You can't deceive me. And I know your end. You might want to get some asbestos lined undies sir.
     
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