World Communism Is Not Dead

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"World Communism Is Not Dead"

There will be a World dictator.

Revelation 13:7 (NKJV)
[sup]7[/sup] And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.

I think we agree on the point that a major political figure is about to raise his ugly head.
Will he be a Communist or will the Communists, like the rest of the world systems, merely be pawns in providing this potentate with a throne?

While I have no illusion about Communism, I think that it's day, like the American Empire, is over.

The leftist system still carries a sting, but I fear that it will act more like a termite in eroding the present systems of government. The capitalists as well as the communists will all be betrayed one day by the great ruler we THINK will be our ally.

God help us all.

 

[Duckybill]

I think we agree on the point that a major political figure is about to raise his ugly head.
Will he be a Communist or will the Communists, like the rest of the world systems, merely be pawns in providing this potentate with a throne?

While I have no illusion about Communism, I think that it's day, like the American Empire, is over.

The leftist system still carries a sting, but I fear that it will act more like a termite in eroding the present systems of government. The capitalists as well as the communists will all be betrayed one day by the great ruler we THINK will be our ally.

God help us all.

I am only guessing, but it doesn't seem possible for a World Government at this time. But I believe it will happen anyway. It seems to me that something HUGE will have to happen to bring about a World Government. I believe the key is the Nation of Israel and the Middle East. Israel will not be destroyed. Perhaps nukes will soon enter into the picture. Something must happen to turn the World against Israel. I am merely speculating.

 

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I am only guessing, but it doesn't seem possible for a World Government at this time. But I believe it will happen anyway. It seems to me that something HUGE will have to happen to bring about a World Government. I believe the key is the Nation of Israel and the Middle East. Israel will not be destroyed. Perhaps nukes will soon enter into the picture. Something must happen to turn the World against Israel. I am merely speculating.

We are there already. The International Muslim Brotherhood already has most of the Mediterranean basin either in its grip or nearly so. Israel is surrounded and despite raw memories of the holocaust in Europe many there are openly anti-semitic. Even in America Jew haters are becoming more vocal. Here they are considered pests as the majority still do not appreciate their intent to rule us all.

The odd thing is that Jews themselves are divided and confused as to who their friends and enemies are. Several recently attacked Glenn Beck, a man who is openly supportive of Israel.

The Muslim march goes on with a clear goal in mind and with all its ducks in a row.
The non-Muslim world is reeling in confusion like a man who has been hit in the head with a bat.

Meanwhile American financiers are making money hand over fist, bleeding the country dry. They neither know nor care that they are destroying themselves as well as the country that's made them wealthy.

And our leaders, where are they? Many have hidden agendas-which-aren't-so-hidden-any-more-but-who-cares.
The ones that aren't crooked, and there are more of them than we know, seem to be as confused and distracted as everyone else.

Satan is having a wonderful time.

 

[Duckybill]

We are there already. The International Muslim Brotherhood already has most of the Mediterranean basin either in its grip or nearly so. Israel is surrounded and despite raw memories of the holocaust in Europe many there are openly anti-semitic. Even in America Jew haters are becoming more vocal. Here they are considered pests as the majority still do not appreciate their intent to rule us all.

The odd thing is that Jews themselves are divided and confused as to who their friends and enemies are. Several recently attacked Glenn Beck, a man who is openly supportive of Israel.

The Muslim march goes on with a clear goal in mind and with all its ducks in a row.
The non-Muslim world is reeling in confusion like a man who has been hit in the head with a bat.

Meanwhile American financiers are making money hand over fist, bleeding the country dry. They neither know nor care that they are destroying themselves as well as the country that's made them wealthy.

And our leaders, where are they? Many have hidden agendas-which-aren't-so-hidden-any-more-but-who-cares.
The ones that aren't crooked, and there are more of them than we know, seem to be as confused and distracted as everyone else.

Satan is having a wonderful time.

Very interesting. I certainly believe that Muslims will have a big part in THE END times. I suspect that MANY Muslims will be exterminated. The picture is very dark for the enemies of the Nation of Israel. I wonder what percentage of Muslims don't hate Israel. Yes Satan is on the rampage, but it can and will get MUCH worse.
Revelation 12:12 (NKJV)
[sup]12 [/sup]Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! WOE TO THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time."

 

[aspen]

Is Marxist Communism stronger than Christ's Kingdom?

It will pass away - just like all the works of men.

We were never called to shape governments or to fear them - caring for the environment is another matter - Adam was commanded to care for the Earth.

 

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Is Marxist Communism stronger than Christ's Kingdom?

It will pass away - just like all the works of men.

We were never called to shape governments or to fear them - caring for the environment is another matter - Adam was commanded to care for the Earth.

"Render unto Caesar," Our Lord said. That includes good citizenship as well as payment of taxes.

It is more important to save one's community than to save the whales.
If our community is lost, then the environment will not be far behind.

Consider Communist governments and their relative pollution levels which are off the scale. Also consider that they do not put as much emphasis on worker safety as the horrible Capitalists do.

We are also called to be our brothers keeper. What does that mean if not political concern?

 

[veteran]

I think we agree on the point that a major political figure is about to raise his ugly head.
Will he be a Communist or will the Communists, like the rest of the world systems, merely be pawns in providing this potentate with a throne?

While I have no illusion about Communism, I think that it's day, like the American Empire, is over.

The leftist system still carries a sting, but I fear that it will act more like a termite in eroding the present systems of government. The capitalists as well as the communists will all be betrayed one day by the great ruler we THINK will be our ally.

God help us all.

One of the problems is that world Communism simply changed its identity and outward appearance, and that because of how later generations have been programmed to accept it under the ideas of Socialism. The Soviets got together after Stalin died and understood their need for a change, because Stalin's policies had turned much of the world against Communist philosophy. Their new policy became the New Economic Policy (NEP) in 1958. It was to be a softer policy using disinformation to entice the West for economic and strategic aid to help enforce world Communist goals. In Golitsyn's book New Lies For Old (1984), he revealed how that 1958 Communist plan was to be a long-range strategy for takeover of the West, and might one day include the taking down of the Berlin Wall.

It has especially been a 'disinformation' strategy against the West. And part of that was to fake the death of Communism by creating a new outward look with the principle of "democratization". Golitsyn revealed their ultimate plan was to join East and West together under World Socialism. By appearing more democratic with opening up more freedoms, that disinformation was to trick the West in giving them more economic aid, and basically opening up the borders to capitalists, all in order to grow stronger in prep for ultimate takeover.

But how does that involve the false messiah that's coming per God's Word?

The first 'beast' of Rev.13:1 is a beast world kingdom; but the second beast of Rev.13:11 to end is about a religious beast entity, i.e., a false messiah. First beast is a political beast over all nations; the second is a religious beast over all nations. In the past decade there's been several world religious summits held in Moscow. Western Christian leaders have attended them, along with religious heads from other religions. Golitsyn said those summits were for disinformation purposes, so western religious leaders would take messages of disarmament and pro-world-peace back to western Churches, to help weaken the West.

Communist Russia has been helping radical Islamic nations with arms and training, even Russian military advisors (Russia even warned Israel when they made air strikes in Syria a couple of years ago, letting Israel know Russia has military advisors there in Syria).

Antiochus Epiphanes who in 165 B.C. took Jerusalem with an army, and desecrated the temple and setup Zeus idol worship in the temple at Jerusalem, was from Syria. And like God showed in Ezekiel 38, Russia is in concert with Syria, Iran, Libya, Sudan and Yemen (old Ethiopia), and Gomer (most likely Armenia and Geogia), and eventually Togarmah (Turkey which is majority Muslim).

But who is likely driving them all? The secret societies of occultism, which represent the worshippers of the devil. Communism is simply a 'front' of theirs. John Robison in his 1780's work Proofs Of A Conspiracy showed how the secret Illuminati order of Bavaria held much of the same philosophy and strategy of collectivism that later became known as Communism.

The secret societies of occultism link back to the old pagan mystery schools of ancient Rome, Greece, Egypt, the middleast and Babylon. They infiltrated Israel early in history as temple workers and scribes and Nethinim priests, and also in Asia, Asia Minor, and Europe within pagan mystery religions. Their structure has remained hidden through the centuries. That's about the "mystery of iniquity" Apostle Paul mentioned. And that's who is preparing the whole world for their coming false king proclaimed as the Messiah. Problem is, their messiah will be false, just like their pagan religion is false.

Yet something is going to happen during their coming tribulation upon God's people. Something God is going to do during the tribulation is going to stir Satan's anger against God's people to send that great army out of the northern quarters upon Israel. That event will be the beginning of their defeat, with Christ's return to finish it soon thereafter at Armageddon.

 

[aspen]

Here's a list of Communist goals that 1950's FBI agent Cleon Skousen listed in his 1958 book The Naked Communist. The list of goals was entered into the U.S. Congressional Record by Florida Congressman A.S. Herlong Jr. in 1963.

The question is, do they reveal the working of Communism still today, showing that the cold war did not really end?

I just watched a great BBC youtube about how our leaders are trying to strike fear into us about threats of Communism and terrorism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt-FyuuWlWQ

Sounds like the witch hunts of old.....

 

[veteran]

I just watched a great BBC youtube about how our leaders are trying to strike fear into us about threats of Communism and terrorism:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Vt-FyuuWlWQ

Sounds like the witch hunts of old.....

What "witch hunts"? You mean the alleged witch hunts the Communist Left in America tried to paint upon the House on Un-American Activities in the 1950's headed by Senator Joseph McCarthy?

It was no witch hunt, as has now been revealed by de-classified KGB files which show subversive Communist activities by some of the very people McCarthy named.

You can support Communist idealism all you want Aspen, but it is not going to do much for your credibility among true Christians. Communist-Socialism will be struck a deadly blow it will never recover from. You willl see. And God help you if you're a part of the Communist-Socialist movement going on today.

 

[whirlwind]

I just watched a great BBC youtube about how our leaders are trying to strike fear into us about threats of Communism and terrorism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt-FyuuWlWQ

Sounds like the witch hunts of old.....

Well...there's your problem. Be careful what you watch and who you believe.


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What "witch hunts"? You mean the alleged witch hunts the Communist Left in America tried to paint upon the House on Un-American Activities in the 1950's headed by Senator Joseph McCarthy?

It was no witch hunt, as has now been revealed by de-classified KGB files which show subversive Communist activities by some of the very people McCarthy named.

You can support Communist idealism all you want Aspen, but it is not going to do much for your credibility among true Christians. Communist-Socialism will be struck a deadly blow it will never recover from. You willl see. And God help you if you're a part of the Communist-Socialist movement going on today.

I love this quote....

Most people who read "The Communist Manifesto" probably have no idea that it was written by a couple of young men who had never worked a day in their lives, and who nevertheless spoke boldly in the name of "the workers." ~ Thomas Sowell​

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[lawrance]

Well...there's your problem. Be careful what you watch and who you believe.


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I love this quote....

Most people who read "The Communist Manifesto" probably have no idea that it was written by a couple of young men who had never worked a day in their lives, and who nevertheless spoke boldly in the name of "the workers." ~ Thomas Sowell​

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Me thinks hear in Australia we have a 2 party system mainly the others are just sprouts off ether to suit the times then they are killed off when they are not needed.
One is called Liberal it is right wing and the other is Labor it is left wing.
The Liberals created the Labor party from their stupidity or maybe they were smarter than one may think.
Both don't give a toss about our country really but sell it off and spin the biggest straight out lies with a stupid smile on their face with some numskull nodding behind them, it's a joke. the greedy mainly support one and the other are mainly support for no hoppers.

 

[lawrance]

Some people believe that Communism has a place in Christianity.
They are mislead totally.
I had a dude trying to persuade me and others in to thinking that the two are compatible and he is a dedicated atheist who if he had his way would destroy all trace of any religion totally and utterly. and there is a lot of people who think the same as him. He believes all the worlds problems are because of religion. and i say that with out religion it will lead to the destruction of man. and that all religion can get on fine and the only problem is what causes strife has to be understood.

 

[aspen]

Some people believe that Communism has a place in Christianity.
They are mislead totally.
I had a dude trying to persuade me and others in to thinking that the two are compatible and he is a dedicated atheist who if he had his way would destroy all trace of any religion totally and utterly. and there is a lot of people who think the same as him. He believes all the worlds problems are because of religion. and i say that with out religion it will lead to the destruction of man. and that all religion can get on fine and the only problem is what causes strife has to be understood.

So, how are other political systems more compatible with Christianity?

A republic or Democracy can easily exclude God, just like communism

Or they can include God, just like Communism.

I think you are also missing the fact that the Early church and monasteries were and are communist.

Not sure why you demonizing one form of government over another.

 

[lawrance]

So, how are other political systems more compatible with Christianity?

A republic or Democracy can easily exclude God, just like communism

Or they can include God, just like Communism.

I think you are also missing the fact that the Early church and monasteries were and are communist.

Not sure why you demonizing one form of government over another.

I will pray for you.

 

[aspen]

So you are really under the illusion the Communism is somehow more evil than other man-made government systems?!?! WOW

 

[veteran]

God's Government is a theocratic Monarchy with One KING in absolute Authority.

Communism is the exact opposite of a monarchy, with only members of a Communist Party system in absolute authority.

Thus Communism is of the Devil.

May sound like simple deductive reasoning, but in this case it's 100% aligned with the Truth.

 

[aspen]

God's Government is a theocratic Monarchy with One KING in absolute Authority.

Communism is the exact opposite of a monarchy, with only members of a Communist Party system in absolute authority.

Thus Communism is of the Devil.

May sound like simple deductive reasoning, but in this case it's 100% aligned with the Truth.

Sure Russian, North Korean, and Chinese communism is controlled by the Communist Party, but that is not real communism - it is despotism. Real communism can be seen inside monasteries and in the Early Church. As far as theocratic monarchism is concerned; are you suggesting that we turn the clock back to the Middle Ages?

All human made government systems are less than good, I am sure that God will employ His own system, rather than adopting a human system.

 

[Foreigner]

So you are really under the illusion the Communism is somehow more evil than other man-made government systems?!?! WOW

-- Of course Communism is more evil.
A man-made system of government that allows a man to worship as he sees fit, guarantees him privacy, freedom to choose the occupation he wants, live where he wants, study what he sees fit, leave if he sees fit, guarantees him a fair trial when he is accused of something, and lets him choose who he wants to represent him via a fair and private ballot beats Communism hands down.

But if you want to use the standard of what Communism is supposed to be instead of what it has been when people have actually try to put it into practice, using the same fairy tale standard, Democracy still wins.

Sure Russian, North Korean, and Chinese communism is controlled by the Communist Party, but that is not real communism - it is despotism. Real communism can be seen inside monasteries and in the Early Church. As far as theocratic monarchism is concerned; are you suggesting that we turn the clock back to the Middle Ages?

All human made government systems are less than good, I am sure that God will employ His own system, rather than adopting a human system.

-- Communism in Russia indeed began in it's purest form (or at least with promises of its purest form.)

The problem is that Communism in its purest form simply cannot be sustained. Period. It requires every person always give their very best, hold nothing back, and be expected to be totally selfless, regardless of what sacrifices are expected. In order to keep even a system based on Communism alive, the efforts ALWAYS end up with a despot in charge. The very imperfection of man GUARANTEES failure.

As far as "inside monasteries and in the early church," early church members did share their resources out of necessity, born out of oppression of the existing government(s) and it was much, much more "communal" than "Communism."

As far as monasteries go, Communism there was closer to Soviet Communism than pure Communism. Yes, men shared all responsibilities (cooking, clearning, farming, harvesting, etc.) all working to the greater good of their monastery life, but that is where it ended. The leadership of the monastery, for all intents and purposes was Dictatorial. His word alone was law. There were serious corporal punishments for those that the head of the monastary found violating their rules or not pulling their weight. This included physical abuse and the denial of food. His word was law. No votes. No appeals to a higher power (except to God through prayer). No way to change your position except to leave.

Definitely not an example to emulate.

 

[aspen]

-- Of course Communism is more evil.
A man-made system of government that allows a man to worship as he sees fit, guarantees him privacy, freedom to choose the occupation he wants, live where he wants, study what he sees fit, leave if he sees fit, guarantees him a fair trial when he is accused of something, and lets him choose who he wants to represent him via a fair and private ballot beats Communism hands down.

But if you want to use the standard of what Communism is supposed to be instead of what it has been when people have actually try to put it into practice, using the same fairy tale standard, Democracy still wins.





-- Communism in Russia indeed began in it's purest form (or at least with promises of its purest form.)

The problem is that Communism in its purest form simply cannot be sustained. Period. It requires every person always give their very best, hold nothing back, and be expected to be totally selfless, regardless of what sacrifices are expected. In order to keep even a system based on Communism alive, the efforts ALWAYS end up with a despot in charge. The very imperfection of man GUARANTEES failure.

As far as "inside monasteries and in the early church," early church members did share their resources out of necessity, born out of oppression of the existing government(s) and it was much, much more "communal" than "Communism."

As far as monasteries go, Communism there was closer to Soviet Communism than pure Communism. Yes, men shared all responsibilities (cooking, clearning, farming, harvesting, etc.) all working to the greater good of their monastery life, but that is where it ended. The leadership of the monastery, for all intents and purposes was Dictatorial. His word alone was law. There were serious corporal punishments for those that the head of the monastary found violating their rules or not pulling their weight. This included physical abuse and the denial of food. His word was law. No votes. No appeals to a higher power (except to God through prayer). No way to change your position except to leave.

Definitely not an example to emulate.

The form of despotism you are calling communism has just as many faults as our republic we call a democracy. Also, why are you referring to monasteries as if they are only part of the past? I belong to a monastery and it is nothing like your description. I speak from direct experience - it is a co-op. Communism, with a focus on God.

 

[Foreigner]

The form of despotism you are calling communism has just as many faults as our republic we call a democracy.

-- What an absolutely ridiculous statement :lol:

A Communist Nation and a Republic are both flawed because they are run by men. That is absolutely true.

But a flawed Republic such as ours has for over 200 years allowed for - as I mentioned - a man to worship as he sees fit, guarantees him privacy, freedom to choose the occupation he wants, live where he wants, study what he sees fit, leave if he sees fit, guarantees him a fair trial when he is accused of something, and lets him choose who he wants to represent him via a fair and private ballot.

With all its flaws and failings it has been responsible for the freeing of scores of nations and millions of people around the world, giving chance for those nations to have freedom, as well.

Communism? Not so much.

Gulags, imprisonment for criticizing the government, horrible or non-existant health care, no freedom of speech, no free press, no right to protest, no right to travel abroad without permission from the government, etc. etc. etc.

That type of oppression was in place before the fires of the overthrow that put Communism in place had gone out.


The simple truth is this, and there is no refuting it: In a choice between two flawed governments, Democracy trumps Communism every...single....time.

Also, why are you referring to monasteries as if they are only part of the past? I belong to a monastery and it is nothing like your description. I speak from direct experience - it is a co-op. Communism, with a focus on God.

-- The "monastery" of today does not fit the definition of a monastery.