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[Rockerduck]

Deuteronomy 13:5 - “That prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death, because he has spoken rebellion against Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to draw you aside out of the way which Yahweh your God commanded you to walk in. So you shall remove the evil from among you.”

Don't forget that God is testing us. That's the important part.

 

[Matthias]

Don't forget that God is testing us. That's the important part.

Is part of the test what we do with the false prophet?

 

[Muna]

I think @Rockerduck posted the first verse and @Matthias skipped to the next after that but between the two the actual sign or wonder given comes to pass (not that it does not)

Here it is in context


Deut 13
[1] If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
[2] And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
[3] Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
[4] Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

In that one, the sign or wonder actually comes to pass (not fails)

 

[Muna]

Sign or wonder comes to pass here

Deut 13
1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

Shall show great signs and wonders

Matt 24
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Deut 13:1 " If there arise among you a prophet,"
Matt 24:24 "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets"

 

[Rockerduck]

Is part of the test what we do with the false prophet?

The main point is Predictions come, and it is a test from God to see if you love and trust God. Instead of listening to false prophets who predict the rapture falsely to fool others or sell books for profit. Knowing it is unpredictable. Even if the false prophet believes what he says himself.

 

[Jay Ross]

This happens every year. It's not worth paying much attention to imo. But I realize for some people it's vastly important that they magnify the failures of a few. It makes them feel important, and it's a further attack on Christian faith.

Much love!

But for those who believe that there will still be a Pre-trib rapture, they still hold out hope that this man created promise will still occur before they can experience any tribulation.

 

[Jay Ross]

Deuteronomy 13:5 - “That prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death, because he has spoken rebellion against Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to draw you aside out of the way which Yahweh your God commanded you to walk in. So you shall remove the evil from among you.”

Upon inspection of this verse, I find that it has given the wrong impression because if he is not put to death, then the "dream" must be true.

Let me present some interlinear verses for our consideration.







In all three cases of yū·māṯ from the 49 occurrences in the OT shown above, yū·māṯ has a connection with people dying the second death at the time of the final judgement.


This is how i would paraphrase Deuteronomy 13:5: -

Deuteronomy 13:5 - 5 But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams will experience the second death, because he has spoken in order to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of bondage, to entice you from the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So, you shall put away the evil from your midst.​

Whether or not Joshus and or Michael were leading us away from God or not is God's to determine and act accordingly.

Our role should be one of turning/drawing our brother in Christ back to God's loving embrace so that he will know beyond all doubt that the Lord God still loves him and will still continue to draw him back into His will for him.

Shalom

 

[Muna]

Heres a false prophet being put to death here

Jerm 28
15 Then said the prophet Jeremiah unto Hananiah the prophet, Hear now, Hananiah; The LORD hath not sent thee; but thou makest this people to trust in a lie.
16 Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will cast thee from off the face of the earth: this year thou shalt die,
because thou hast taught rebellion against the LORD.
17 So Hananiah the prophet died the same year in the seventh month.

2 Peter 2
1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you,
who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them,
and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

 

[Lambano]

Deut 13
1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

Main takeaway: Don't follow prophets and dreamers who try to get you to follow other gods, even if they do correctly predict future events.

All this talk about killing false prophets in the context of some poor deluded souls who incorrectly predicted the Rapture makes me really, really leery.

 

[Matthias]

From my X / Twitter “For you” feed this morning -

“Another false rapture prediction has come and gone.

We don’t stone false prophets anymore (Deuteronomy 13:5; 18:20).

But what should happen to them at the very least is that they are permanently banned from ministry.”

(Gabriel Hughes)

https://x.com/pastor_gabe/status/1971207407213871422?s=61

Does the reader agree with what the pastor said?

 

[Matthias]

Lord have mercy. This poor man is still deceived by the false prophet.

He hasn’t yet learned the lesson.

 

[marks]

But for those who believe that there will still be a Pre-trib rapture, they still hold out hope that this man created promise will still occur before they can experience any tribulation.

Do you seriously think this?

What a laugh!

Does misrepresenting others give you a lift?

 

[marks]

Main takeaway: Don't follow prophets and dreamers who try to get you to follow other gods, even if they do correctly predict future events.

All this talk about killing false prophets in the context of some poor deluded souls who incorrectly predicted the Rapture makes me really, really leery.

Judging others is a pride trip for a lot of people.

Much love!

 

[Muna]

Main takeaway: Don't follow prophets and dreamers who try to get you to follow other gods, even if they do correctly predict future events.

All this talk about killing false prophets in the context of some poor deluded souls who incorrectly predicted the Rapture makes me really, really leery.

The point in that example there is that Jeremiah (who was a true prophet of God) did not put to death (or kill) Hananiah, but rather through the true prophet (Jeremiah) he prophesied of the death of the false prophet (Hananiah). God fulfills the words of his prophets (because their words are His) and so the death of Hananiah (the false prophet) came to pass as God said through Jeremiah (without the prophet lifting his own hand against him).

This is also in the case of a "THUS SAITH THE LORD" scenario, for example (Jerm 28:2) which spake against what the former prophets had spoken (Jerm 28:28) and after being reproved once he went on to do it again Jerm 28:11 and so he doubled down on the lie (and did not repent).

Jerm 28:16 Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will cast thee from off the face of the earth: this year thou shalt die, because thou hast taught rebellion against the LORD.

Jer 28:17 So Hananiah the prophet died the same year in the seventh month.

Because He tells him that "Thou hast taught rebellion against the LORD"

As it says in 1 Sam

1 Sam 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft,

And so when he was reproved, Hananiah doubled down,

And the next line in the verse is

1 Sam 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.

Peter just says false prophets bring the destruction upon themselves

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

So no one is being put to death by anyone

 

[Jay Ross]

Do you seriously think this?

What a laugh!

Does misrepresenting others give you a lift?

Mark, you were a moderator on a predominately Pre-trib forum which was closed down because of a lack of member posts.

My experience of Pre-tribbers is that they do not want to go through any form of tribulation experience or pain.

I also had a friend who was very pre-trib before he died from cancer and He firmly believed that after being raptured to meet the Lord in the air, in the "near future" at that time, that he was going to return with the Lord to rule over people during the "Lord's 1,000s year rule on the face of the earth."

Above, in post #20, I quoted two scripture passages, the first one from the OT and the second one from the NT, which said that after the punishment of the previously judged Kings of the Earth and the heavenly hosts, i.e. Satan, the beast and the Little Horn, that He will be gathering the elect to Himself at the end of the seventh age after the time of the Great Tribulation on the earth.

Mark your quoted false argument rebuttal is not becoming of you.

If my interpretation of Matt 24:29-31 and Isa 24:21-23 is faulty in any way, then please quote the scriptures, for me to read, that demonstrates, beyond any doubt, the error in my understanding of God's End Time Prophesies.

I look forward to reading your posted response showing my error.

 

[marks]

Mark, you were a moderator on a predominately Pre-trib forum which was closed down because of a lack of member posts.

My experience of Pre-tribbers is that they do not want to go through any form of tribulation experience or pain.

So you know someone who expressed this to you, and you apply it to the lot of us. You presume of me what you see in another.

Doesn't that seem wrong to you? Or that's OK?

This should be able to be answered simply, before deflecting to other topics.

Much love!

 

[Jay Ross]

So you know someone who expressed this to you, and you apply it to the lot of us. You presume of me what you see in another.

Doesn't that seem wrong to you? Or that's OK?

This should be able to be answered simply, before deflecting to other topics.

Much love!

Mark this seems to be a personal issue for you.

Do you still believe in the doctrine of the Pre-trib rapture as you did previously? If so, has it changed from what you have previously claimed?

PS: - Mark, I quoted just what my friend claimed. I do have more than just one friend who vehemently believe in the pending Pre-Trib rapture.

 

[marks]

Mark this seems to be a personal issue for you.

It seems to me you are trying to make this "my personal issue", one of the common deflections.

You made universal generalization, and I called you on it. You can back off it or not. Rather than acknowledge this, you are attempting to what, claim I have personal issues affecting my replies?

PS: - Mark, I quoted just what my friend claimed. I do have more than just one friend who vehemently believe in the pending Pre-Trib rapture.

And every one of them may be claiming they don't think they will have any troubles in this life, because rapture will take them away before they stub their toe, and that still won't make it automatically true of any single other person.

You didn't "just quote" your friend, you made a blanket statement about those who hold to a pre-trib rapture. And that's what I've posted concerning.

Rather than acknowledging your obvious fallacy you choose to become personal. Am I the only one who sees the significance to that?

And I couldn't help but notice you did not answer my question. This was all a deflection.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Mark, you were a moderator on a predominately Pre-trib forum which was closed down because of a lack of member posts.

Actually, Herb (the founder) and the rest of the mods/admins were pre-wrath, not pre-trib. And yes, I was a mod even though I was not pre-wrath as were they.

After Herb's understanding that we had entered the 70th week proved untrue, many members left. Those who remained over the next several years were for the most part a really good group, and even though we had different views on things, we were still the body of Christ, not all this bickering and insults and all that. For most of us, we could just discuss things with each other.

After Herb died, Holly (Herb's daughter) maintained the site as a way to preserve her father's writings and views. Eventually she shut it down.

Much love!

 

[Jay Ross]

You posted this: -

This happens every year. It's not worth paying much attention to imo. But I realize for some people it's vastly important that they magnify the failures of a few. It makes them feel important, and it's a further attack on Christian faith.

To which I responded with this

But for those who believe that there will still be a Pre-trib rapture, they still hold out hope that this man created promise will still occur before they can experience any tribulation.

I made no direct reference to what you believe, and you then posted this: -

Do you seriously think this?

What a laugh!

Does misrepresenting others give you a lift?

Mark, your response against what I had posted was a personal attack against me. That is your "right" to do on this forum, however, your sensitivity settings seem to be very high. Perhaps, rather than just provide a false rebuttal, a scriptural justification as to why you believe in the Pre-trib doctrine would have been more appropriate.

Above in #20, I posted two scriptures which demonstrates that the Pre-trib doctrine is false. That post was not directed at anyone in particular and certainly not at you.

Perhaps you need some cool-aid to cool down with.