YOU CAN'T OBEY ALL JESUS COMMANDS

[Doug]

[Mar 6:8 KJV] 8 And commanded them that they should take nothing for [their] journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in [their] purse:

Jesus commanded the disciples to not take scrip (money)

[Luk 22:36 KJV] 36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Now Jesus commanded them to take scrip.

Is this a contradiction? No it is evidence of dispensations. God conveys different commandments at different times.

Those who say we follow everything Jesus says would be hard pressed to obey both of these verses at the same time.

Fact is, these commands were for the disciples not us.

 

[marks]

[Mar 6:8 KJV] 8 And commanded them that they should take nothing for [their] journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in [their] purse:

Jesus commanded the disciples to not take scrip (money)

[Luk 22:36 KJV] 36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Now Jesus commanded them to take scrip.

Is this a contradiction? No it is evidence of dispensations. God conveys different commandments at different times.

Those who say we follow everything Jesus says would be hard pressed to obey both of these verses at the same time.

Fact is, these commands were for the disciples not us.

Good example! Hard to deny.

There's another example I like to give, that being Jesus' teaching on forgiving others. He taught that if you do not forgive others, the Father will not forgive you. However, Paul taught that we are to forgive others precisely because we've been forgiven by God already.

Jesus taught under the Law, to keep all the Law, in it's full intent. Paul taught the Gospel of Grace, brought in by Jesus' death and resurrection.

Much love!

 

[Truly]

[Mar 6:8 KJV] 8 And commanded them that they should take nothing for [their] journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in [their] purse:

Jesus commanded the disciples to not take scrip (money)

[Luk 22:36 KJV] 36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Now Jesus commanded them to take scrip.

Is this a contradiction? No it is evidence of dispensations. God conveys different commandments at different times.

Those who say we follow everything Jesus says would be hard pressed to obey both of these verses at the same time.

Fact is, these commands were for the disciples not us.

You can be instructed in life to both have and have not though.

For example,

The Lord is my shepherd I shall not want (lack)

Luke 22:35 And he said unto them,
When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes,
lacked ye any thing?
And they said, Nothing.

Most people would complain about not having shoes (at the very least).

I was always curious whether the instruction between the two pictures they received were similar to what Paul speaks of here


Phil 4:12 I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound:
every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.

Phil 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

 

[Doug]

You can be instructed in life to both have and have not though.

For example,

The Lord is my shepherd I shall not want (lack)

Luke 22:35 And he said unto them,
When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes,
lacked ye any thing?
And they said, Nothing.

Most people would complain about not having shoes (at the very least).

I was always curious whether the instruction between the two pictures they received were similar to what Paul speaks of here


Phil 4:12 I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound:
every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.

Phil 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

I appreciate you but somethings should be taken at face value,,,,if Jesus says go without money it means just go without money

 

[PS95]

[Mar 6:8 KJV] 8 And commanded them that they should take nothing for [their] journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in [their] purse:

Jesus commanded the disciples to not take scrip (money)

[Luk 22:36 KJV] 36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Now Jesus commanded them to take scrip.

Is this a contradiction? No it is evidence of dispensations. God conveys different commandments at different times.

Those who say we follow everything Jesus says would be hard pressed to obey both of these verses at the same time.

Fact is, these commands were for the disciples not us.

Luke also records what Mark recorded- and then Luke also cites a different occasion with a different reason.
Mark 6:7-12
And He summoned the twelve and began to send them out in pairs, and gave them authority over the unclean spirits; 8and He instructed them that they were to take nothing for their journey, except a mere staff—no bread, no [g]bag, no money in their belt— 9but [h]to wear sandals; and He added, “Do not wear two https://biblehub.com/nasb_/mark/6.htm#fntunics.” 10And He said to them, “Wherever you enter a house, stay there until you [j]leave town. 11Any place that does not receive you or listen to you, as you go out from there, shake the dust [k]off the soles of your feet as a testimony against them.” 12And they went out and [l]preached that people are to repent. 13And they were casting out many demons and were anointing with oil many sick people and healing them.

Luke 9:1-6
1Now He called the twelve together and gave them power and authority over all the demons, and the power to heal diseases. 2And He sent them out to proclaim the kingdom of God and to perform healing. 3And He said to them, “Take nothing for your journey, neither a staff, nor a [a]bag, nor bread, nor money; and do not even have two https://biblehub.com/nasb_/luke/9.htm#fntunics. 4And whatever house you enter, stay there [c]until you leave that city. 5And as for all who do not receive you, when you leave that city, shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them.” 6And as they were leaving, they began going [d]throughout the villages, preaching the gospel and healing everywhere.

Those 2 are above are the same occasion. The one difference is the staff. He was teaching them to rely on His power and provisions when spreading the gospel imo.
Jesus acknowledged the differences.
See His question below..

Luke 22:35
And He said to them, “When I sent you out without money belt and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?” They said, “No, nothing.” 36And He said to them,
“But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one. 37“For I tell you that this which is written must be fulfilled in Me, ‘AND HE WAS NUMBERED WITH TRANSGRESSORS’; for that which refers to Me has its fulfillment.” 38They said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.” And He said to them, “It is enough.”



"BUT NOW "-Jesus pointed to a different occasion under different circumstances. Jesus wanted them to bring money and swords. There are various interpretations about why they were told to bring swords, but all we is see how Jesus used the sword to heal the ear.

My own opinion is that we are being shown how to be discerning in different situations. One outing was to preach- the other was an long expected violet encounter. Your mileage may vary.
I don't view things as a one size fits all. Different situations call for varied responses. We see it throughout the entire bible- use your God given brain and always stay close to God for leading.
There are believers who oppose self defense. If someone broke into my home and was attacking a family member I would not hesitate to defend them by any means necessary. We are not to "live by" the sword. There is a difference.
Your mileage may vary.

 

[PS95]

Good example! Hard to deny.

There's another example I like to give, that being Jesus' teaching on forgiving others. He taught that if you do not forgive others, the Father will not forgive you. However, Paul taught that we are to forgive others precisely because we've been forgiven by God already.

Jesus taught under the Law, to keep all the Law, in it's full intent. Paul taught the Gospel of Grace, brought in by Jesus' death and resurrection.

Much love!

Marks, I see one gospel.
Too many Christians seem to be troubled by a call to obedience. Grace is first - obedience is a product of that grace.

Paul Col 3:13- "Bear with one another and forgive any complaint you may have against someone else. Forgive as the Lord forgave you."

Forgiving others after we have been forgiven is still a command. We are forgiven our sins by faith in Christ's work on the cross, and that circumcism of the heart changes us and teaches us to forgive others. If that doesn't happen there is a PROBLEM of the heart.
Look at the parable- it illustrates the teaching that forgiveness is not merely a suggestion but a commandment after we have experienced God's grace. Matt 18

The Parable of the Unforgiving Servant​

21Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?”

22Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven. 23Therefore the kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24And when he had begun to settle accounts, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents. 25But as he was not able to pay, his master commanded that he be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and that payment be made. 26The servant therefore fell down before him, saying, ‘Master, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’ 27Then the master of that servant was moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt.

28“But that servant went out and found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii; and he laid hands on him and took him by the throat, saying, ‘Pay me what you owe!’ 29So his fellow servant fell down [e]at his feet and begged him, saying, ‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you [f]all.’ 30And he would not, but went and threw him into prison till he should pay the debt. 31So when his fellow servants saw what had been done, they were very grieved, and came and told their master all that had been done. 32Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. 33Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ 34And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him.

35“So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother [g]his trespasses.”

 

[marks]

Forgiving others after we have been forgiven is still a command.

Do you see the difference between these two teachings? That Jesus said being forgive was dependant on forgiving others, while Paul wrote that having been forgiven, we are to forgive others?

In the first case, our forgiveness is dependant on our works, specifically, that we forgive others. In the second case, our forgiveness is not dependant on our works, having been already given.

Much love!

 

[PS95]

Do you see the difference between these two teachings? That Jesus said being forgive was dependant on forgiving others, while Paul wrote that having been forgiven, we are to forgive others?

In the first case, our forgiveness is dependant on our works, specifically, that we forgive others. In the second case, our forgiveness is not dependant on our works, having been already given.

Much love!

Nope. there is no difference as I see it. The forgiveness given to us SHOULD result in forgiving others. Look at the parable. He was forgiven FIRST. Then- he refused to forgive others and was disciplined.
Paul and Jesus teach the same thing.

 

[marks]

Nope. there is no difference as I see it. The forgiveness given to us SHOULD result in forgiving others. Look at the parable. He was forgiven FIRST. Then- he refused to forgive others and was disciplined.
Paul and Jesus teach the same thing.

Matthew 6:14-15 KJV
14) For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15) But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Ephesians 4:32 KJV
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

In the first passage, forgiveness may be given or withheld, both are considered future according to the deeds of the supplicant.

In the second passage, forgiveness has already been given, and is not subject to question.

Much love!

 

[PS95]

Matthew 6:14-15 KJV
14) For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15) But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Ephesians 4:32 KJV
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

In the first passage, forgiveness may be given or withheld, both are considered future according to the deeds of the supplicant.

In the second passage, forgiveness has already been given, and is not subject to question.

Much love!

Jesus is not speaking to our initial forgiveness there, Marks. Again, I point you to the parable. The words in Matt 6 go along with the parable.

 

[marks]

Jesus is not speaking to our initial forgiveness there, Marks. Again, I point you to the parable. The words in Matt 6 go along with the parable.

Jesus was teaching according to the Law, and that's how the Law worked. Paul taught after the cross.

John 1:29 KJV
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Much love!

 

[Behold]

Fact is, these commands were for the disciples not us.

Jesus said all the "commands" are satified if you keep this one.

"LOVE one another"....."Love others"

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another"""

New Living Translation So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other. English Standard Version A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. Berean Standard Bible A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you also must love one another. Berean Literal Bible A new commandment I give to you, that you should love one another. As I have loved you, so you also should love one another. King James Bible A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. New King James Version A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. New American Standard Bible I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, that you also love one another. NASB 1995 “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

 

[PS95]

Matthew 6:14-15 KJV
14) For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15) But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Ephesians 4:32 KJV
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

In the first passage, forgiveness may be given or withheld, both are considered future according to the deeds of the supplicant.

In the second passage, forgiveness has already been given, and is not subject to question.

Much love!

It could be that you believe that after you are forgiven your sins that you never feel the need to confess and seek the comfort of ongoing forgiveness in real time.. There are people on here who teach that we can't sin and others who say no need to think about it.. It's not what the bible teaches. Jesus paid for ours sins and forgave us, but we still sin afterwards and I see that we need to confess our sins and thank Him for his sacrifice for our forgiveness for us while OBEYING HIM. (forgive others, love) Doesnt Jesus live evermore as intercessor buy His blood..?
While we are sanctified- Sanctification is still an ongoing process throughout our lives. Many see it bam DONE! nope.. I can attest to this ongoing work in me.. and many I know also do.
We are saved, we are being saved and we will be saved.
I have no agreement with those who teach a quick prayer and poof saved and there nothing else is to it. BALONEY. We are growing and changing and learning, being disciplined, refined, and becoming more like our savior every day. A part of that is learning how to forgive others no matter what they do to us. That doesn't mean that we approve of their sin but we don't hold it against them. Remember he who is forgiven much LOVES much? Easy believism isn't biblical.

 

[marks]

It could be that you believe that after you are forgiven your sins that you never need to confess or repent again and are in need forgiveness. There are people on here who teach that. It's not what the bible teaches. Jesus paid for ours sins and forgave us, but we still sin afterwards and I see that we need to confess our sins and thank Him for his sacrifice for us while OBEYING HIM. (forgive others, love)
While we are sanctified- Sanctification is still an ongoing process throughout our lives.
We are saved, we are being saved and we will be saved.
I have no agreement with those who teach a quick prayer and poof saved and there nothing else is to it. BALONEY. We are growing and changing and learning, being disciplined, refined, and becoming more like our savior every day. A part of that is learning how to forgive others no matter what they do to us. That doesn't mean that we approve of their sin but we don't hold it against them. Remember he who is forgiven much LOVES much?

This doesn't address these teachings.



But to address your new topic here, do you believe that when you've sinned as a Christian that you need to be forgiven for that new sin?

Much love!

 

[MatthewG]

I cant.

It's true.

He did everything I couldn't do, and the Apostles and the bride of Christ even more so.

 

[PS95]

This doesn't address these teachings.



But to address your new topic here, do you believe that when you've sinned as a Christian that you need to be forgiven for that new sin?

Much love!

I addressed your issue. You have only replied with verses that don't counter what I showed you. I see it for what it says. Both Paul and Jesus taught that forgiving others is what is done after the grace of our own forgiveness is given to us.

Let's leave the thread un-diverted. I agree. briefly to answer your Q-
If you re- read what I wrote I am fully confident in His forgiveness of my sins and yes, I do confess it and speak to Him about it.

 

[marks]

I addressed your issue. You have only replied with verses that don't counter what I showed you. I see it for what it says.

I think you do not, and overlook what it says so you can "harmonize" it where it doesn't fit. As I've shown you.

Much love!

 

[PS95]

I think you do not, and overlook what it says so you can "harmonize" it where it doesn't fit. As I've shown you.

Much love!

I'm sorry marks but I don't see where you have shown me anything. A changed heart and obedience comes AFTER our forgiveness. NOT BEFORE. The parable clearly shows what Jesus meant. Paul taught the same thing as I showed you.

There is ONE gospel. If some people want to make two gospels out of the one. then they up up disobeying the ACTUAL gospel.
These are the same people who say no need to be water baptized- look the thief on the cross ( hello? he couldn't!) He would have if he could have. We are to be OBEDIENT. They also call everything "a work" to be saved. NO! We obey because we are saved and Jesus is our Lord so we obey Him.
It's not brain surgery that we are to obey the Lord or we don't belong to Him. If you think you don't need to forgive others after you think you have been forgiven you may want to rethink that. I'm not sure what you think.

 

[PS95]

I think you do not, and overlook what it says so you can "harmonize" it where it doesn't fit. As I've shown you.

Much love!

That's because it does harmonize! There is only one gospel, one faith, one baptism, one Lord, One flock, one hope.

Sadly, many see the one gospel of our salvation as a simplistic one and done- an not an ongoing process- and therein lies the problem. So they make two gospels. ..

 

[marks]

hello? he couldn't!

Hello?

Hello to you to!