You either have the spirit or you don't

[strepho]

You need holy spirit to guide into kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians chapter 2 to document.

Matthew chapter 12 . Jesus tells us about unclean spirit, that returns back to its original habitation.

Why ???

Because they're spirtualty dead.

They lack knowledge of Gods word. They choose not to retain God or knowledge.

Romans chapter 8 . The election have holy spirit. They don't have free will. They are predestined, chosen before foundation of the world.
God judged the election in first earth age.
1 Peter chapter 1
2 Peter chapter 1

Two different groups here.
The Election
And Reprobates

Epistle John chapter 3 . The difference between sinners and habitual sinners.

Christian people repent and try not to sin.
Habitual sinners don't care and won't repent. Get the picture.

Reprobates are playing church. They wont repent. They listen to traditions of men and false doctrine.
They have dead works.

Colossians chapter 1 . Tells us to produce fruit for God and increase in knowledge of Gods word.

We see the distinction between two groups.

Reprobates go to sheol.
Election, called the saints, go into kingdom of God.

One group follows Jesus.
Other group follows satan.

 

[Tulipbee]

From 1 John 4...
Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: Every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God:

From Romans 8...

So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the spirit, if so be that the spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Ah, the profound dance of spirits and the realms of flesh and spirit! As we embark on this theological journey through the corridors of 1 John 4 and Romans 8, let us unravel the cosmic threads that weave through the confessions of spirits.
In the symphony of spiritual proclamations, 1 John 4 sets the stage, declaring that every spirit acknowledging the embodiment of Jesus Christ in the flesh emanates from the divine realm. It's a celestial litmus test, a confession that aligns spirits with the divine tapestry.
Now, the cosmic ballet continues in the grand theater of Romans 8. Here, the dichotomy between flesh and spirit takes center stage. A proclamation resonates – those dwelling in the flesh find their notes out of tune with the divine harmony. Yet, a celestial paradox unfolds: you, dear believers, are not bound by the earthly notes but dance in the ethereal realms of the spirit, provided the spirit of God finds its dwelling within.
And lo, the crescendo! A divine qualifier echoes through the verses – if any soul lacks the spirit of Christ, it remains unclaimed by the celestial choreographer. A profound statement, a cosmic membership card to the divine dance floor.
So, Peterlag, in this theological waltz, the spirit becomes the hallmark, the confession of Christ's embodiment the litmus. It's a dance where the spirits declare their allegiance, and the cosmic choreography unfolds, guided by the divine rhythm of the spirit. #SpiritualSymphony #DivineDance

 

[Tulipbee]

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[Peterlag]

Ah, the profound dance of spirits and the realms of flesh and spirit! As we embark on this theological journey through the corridors of 1 John 4 and Romans 8, let us unravel the cosmic threads that weave through the confessions of spirits.
In the symphony of spiritual proclamations, 1 John 4 sets the stage, declaring that every spirit acknowledging the embodiment of Jesus Christ in the flesh emanates from the divine realm. It's a celestial litmus test, a confession that aligns spirits with the divine tapestry.
Now, the cosmic ballet continues in the grand theater of Romans 8. Here, the dichotomy between flesh and spirit takes center stage. A proclamation resonates – those dwelling in the flesh find their notes out of tune with the divine harmony. Yet, a celestial paradox unfolds: you, dear believers, are not bound by the earthly notes but dance in the ethereal realms of the spirit, provided the spirit of God finds its dwelling within.
And lo, the crescendo! A divine qualifier echoes through the verses – if any soul lacks the spirit of Christ, it remains unclaimed by the celestial choreographer. A profound statement, a cosmic membership card to the divine dance floor.
So, Peterlag, in this theological waltz, the spirit becomes the hallmark, the confession of Christ's embodiment the litmus. It's a dance where the spirits declare their allegiance, and the cosmic choreography unfolds, guided by the divine rhythm of the spirit. #SpiritualSymphony #DivineDance

I never read anything about an "embodiment" or a "litmus" but I do know that we either have the spirit or we don't. It's totally impossible for people to immortalize themselves and attain the righteousness of God by participating in sacraments such as to pray, praise, and give thanks. It's not the hymns, chorales, chants, or the instrumental music. It's not the buildings for worship, the art, the architecture, the kneeling, dipping, dunking, chanting, counting, lighting, confessing our sins or moral and political behavior.

Many Christians try to earn God’s righteousness by being a good person, a good member of their church, a good father or mother, or a good child. Some try by being a good worker, a good student, a wonderful husband or wife, and a good neighbor. Some try by singing more hymns, by running to the altar, by confessing their sins, and by being a law-abiding citizen. Others try by water baptism, the Old Testament Law, the rosary, fasting, giving to their church, and giving to the poor. These are all nice and wonderful dynamic moral commitments that, at best, are only the commandments of people.

Jesus once told the religious leaders of his time they were teaching for the truth of God’s Word, “the commandments of men.” It appears we continue to do the same in our day and time. People can never win the right to stand before God’s righteousness through their own traditions and ordinances, which at best, are only the consequences of the commandments of people.

 

[Tulipbee]

I never read anything about an "embodiment" or a "litmus" but I do know that we either have the spirit or we don't. It's totally impossible for people to immortalize themselves and attain the righteousness of God by participating in sacraments such as to pray, praise, and give thanks. It's not the hymns, chorales, chants, or the instrumental music. It's not the buildings for worship, the art, the architecture, the kneeling, dipping, dunking, chanting, counting, lighting, confessing our sins or moral and political behavior.

Many Christians try to earn God’s righteousness by being a good person, a good member of their church, a good father or mother, or a good child. Some try by being a good worker, a good student, a wonderful husband or wife, and a good neighbor. Some try by singing more hymns, by running to the altar, by confessing their sins, and by being a law-abiding citizen. Others try by water baptism, the Old Testament Law, the rosary, fasting, giving to their church, and giving to the poor. These are all nice and wonderful dynamic moral commitments that, at best, are only the commandments of people.

Jesus once told the religious leaders of his time they were teaching for the truth of God’s Word, “the commandments of men.” It appears we continue to do the same in our day and time. People can never win the right to stand before God’s righteousness through their own traditions and ordinances, which at best, are only the consequences of the commandments of people.

Ah, Peterlag, the cosmic comedy of sacraments, hymns, and the celestial dance floor – a Calvinistic ballet with a touch of divine humor. Let's tap dance through the theological theater.

Your insight into the impossibility of immortalizing ourselves and attaining God's righteousness through earthly endeavors – Calvin might chime in, "Ah, the theological tap dance of human striving. Calvinism doesn't come with a dance manual, my friend. It's the divine choreography of grace."

The litany of efforts – praying, praising, giving thanks, hymns, chorales, chants, and more – Calvin might jest, "A cacophony of earthly tunes. Calvinism, the divine conductor, conducts the symphony of salvation, not with earthly notes but with the celestial melodies of predestination."

And your critique of trying to earn God's righteousness through good deeds – Calvin might nod, quoting Romans 3:20, "By the works of the law, no flesh will be justified." It's the divine stand-up routine of grace, where human efforts take a backseat to the sovereign overture of God's mercy.

So, Peterlag, in this theological tap dance of sacraments and earthly endeavors, let the laughter of divine wisdom echo through the cosmic theater. It's a dance where grace takes the lead, and the celestial choreography unfolds, guided by the divine rhythm of predestination. #DivineTapDance #CalvinisticComedy