You might just be wrong about this earth being destroyed, and possibly other things?

[MatthewG]

Many today hold the belief that caring for the world is futile—reasoning that since it will ultimately be destroyed, there is no value in stewarding it. This mindset often draws from interpretations of scriptures such as those found in Peter’s writings, which describe the end of an age in terms of intense heat. However, this passage does not necessarily suggest the complete annihilation of the world, but rather the transformation or conclusion of a particular era.

Scripture offers a broader, more enduring perspective on creation and humanity’s role within it:

• Isaiah 45:12 affirms, “It is I who made the earth and created mankind upon it. My own hands stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts.”
• Genesis 1:26–28 reveals God’s intent for humankind: to reflect His image, populate the earth, and exercise stewardship over all living creatures.
• Psalm 104:5 declares, “He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.”

These verses collectively emphasize the enduring nature of the earth and the divine intention for human responsibility toward it. If the earth was created to stand firm forever, why should we believe it is destined for complete destruction?

Such ideas may stem not from Scripture itself but from long-standing traditions and interpretations that conflict with the biblical narrative. It is worth reexamining these perspectives to rediscover a theology that affirms creation’s value and our duty to care for it.

 

[DJT_47]

Many today hold the belief that caring for the world is futile—reasoning that since it will ultimately be destroyed, there is no value in stewarding it. This mindset often draws from interpretations of scriptures such as those found in Peter’s writings, which describe the end of an age in terms of intense heat. However, this passage does not necessarily suggest the complete annihilation of the world, but rather the transformation or conclusion of a particular era.

Scripture offers a broader, more enduring perspective on creation and humanity’s role within it:

• Isaiah 45:12 affirms, “It is I who made the earth and created mankind upon it. My own hands stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts.”
• Genesis 1:26–28 reveals God’s intent for humankind: to reflect His image, populate the earth, and exercise stewardship over all living creatures.
• Psalm 104:5 declares, “He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.”

These verses collectively emphasize the enduring nature of the earth and the divine intention for human responsibility toward it. If the earth was created to stand firm forever, why should we believe it is destined for complete destruction?

Such ideas may stem not from Scripture itself but from long-standing traditions and interpretations that conflict with the biblical narrative. It is worth reexamining these perspectives to rediscover a theology that affirms creation’s value and our duty to care for it.

Add Eph 3:21

21Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

 

[Earburner]

Many today hold the belief that caring for the world is futile—reasoning that since it will ultimately be destroyed, there is no value in stewarding it. This mindset often draws from interpretations of scriptures such as those found in Peter’s writings, which describe the end of an age in terms of intense heat. However, this passage does not necessarily suggest the complete annihilation of the world, but rather the transformation or conclusion of a particular era.

Scripture offers a broader, more enduring perspective on creation and humanity’s role within it:

• Isaiah 45:12 affirms, “It is I who made the earth and created mankind upon it. My own hands stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts.”
• Genesis 1:26–28 reveals God’s intent for humankind: to reflect His image, populate the earth, and exercise stewardship over all living creatures.
• Psalm 104:5 declares, “He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.”

These verses collectively emphasize the enduring nature of the earth and the divine intention for human responsibility toward it. If the earth was created to stand firm forever, why should we believe it is destined for complete destruction?

Such ideas may stem not from Scripture itself but from long-standing traditions and interpretations that conflict with the biblical narrative. It is worth reexamining these perspectives to rediscover a theology that affirms creation’s value and our duty to care for it.

The earth that now is, is a manifestation and a witness of God's awesome power and ability to create whatever He desires.

Since all of that, as well as ourselves, is an expression of that ability, we must not think that mortal, fleshly air breathing man was the last crowning success of His creative imagination or power.
No! There was one more final creative achievement that was waiting in the wings, and that was man was going to be restored back to his pre-fallen condition of innocence, but this time man would have eternal life along with Immortality.

Yes indeed, a "NEW creature" [creation], of which was accomplished through the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, whereby ALL who believe in Jesus, and are born again by the Gift God's Holy Spirit, they ARE [now] A NEW creation.
In many ways its similar to that of "Worm" going through its stage of metamorphosis, and thus becomes A NEW creature as a "Butterfly".
2Cor.5
[17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Gal.6
[15] For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

Not only does a NEW creature experience new abilities, it also requires additional new food.

So then, as born again Christians, are we in the fulness of our NEW being??
No not yet!! We are still waiting to be made Immortal in the likeness of Jesus.

One could say that we are still in the stage of a type of metamorphosis

So my question to all is:
Since Jesus Ascended into heaven by His Spirit with Immortality 2000 years ago, does Jesus' New Immortal body have to breathe Oxygen now??
If not,......then what about us who will be resurrected in the Day of His Glorious return?
I believe that you really do know the answer!!

 

[Earburner]

Add Eph 3:21

21Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

Which simply means:
John.11
[26] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die [world without end]. Believest thou this?

 

[MatthewG]

Subject: Condensed Summary – Open to Your Thoughts

Hello Earburner,

I’ve been finding it increasingly difficult to keep up with reading posts lately, so I’ve been relying on Copilot to help me out.

Below is a condensed version of a recent reflection. Please feel free to share any feedback or thoughts. If anything seems inaccurate or misrepresented, I’d appreciate your insights.

Warm regards, Matthew

The Ultimate Transformation God’s final act of creation is the restoration of mankind—no longer just flesh, but reborn through Jesus Christ into a “new creature” with eternal life and immortality. Like a caterpillar becoming a butterfly, believers undergo a spiritual metamorphosis.

Scriptural Foundations 2 Corinthians 5:17 and Galatians 6:15 affirm that believers in Christ are new creations, shedding their old nature and beginning anew.

️ New Life, New Nourishment This new spiritual being requires new sustenance—both in spirit and purpose.

Still in Transition Though reborn, Christians are still awaiting their full transformation into immortal beings, just as Christ now lives in a glorified, eternal body.

A Final Thought If Jesus, now immortal, no longer breathes oxygen... what might that mean for us when we’re resurrected into immortality?

 

[DJT_47]

Which simply means:
John.11
[26] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die [world without end]. Believest thou this?

Maybe, maybe not. It's a pretty definitive choice of words that if not meaning exactly that, could have been stated differently.

 

[MatthewG]

Which simply means:
John.11
[26] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Subject: A Reflection on Belief, Mortality, and the Fate of the Earth

It’s true that all who have placed their faith in Christ have experienced physical death.

However, the topic at hand may challenge our understanding: Could it be that the common belief about the Earth being destined for destruction is mistaken?

While this earthly body returns to dust, I personally believe the soul continues onward—enduring beyond the grave into something far greater.

 

[Earburner]

Maybe, maybe not. It's a pretty definitive choice of words that if not meaning exactly that, could have been stated differently.

Personally, for you to be in such a state of existence, to not be dead after mortal death, would that not be for you a "world without end"?

 

[Earburner]

Subject: A Reflection on Belief, Mortality, and the Fate of the Earth

It’s true that all who have placed their faith in Christ have experienced physical death.

However, the topic at hand may challenge our understanding: Could it be that the common belief about the Earth being destined for destruction is mistaken?

While this earthly body returns to dust, I personally believe the soul continues onward—enduring beyond the grave into something far greater.

When does everyone receive an eternally living soul, that they should be in possession of a soul?

 

[MatthewG]

When does everyone receive an eternally living soul, that they should be in possession of a soul?

Hello Earburner,

While this may not be the primary topic of discussion, I believe that every living soul is a divine gift shared with all humanity. That said, you're welcome to explore this perspective further if you wish, Your Soul Is God-Given (Bible Study)

 

[MatthewG]

Add Eph 3:21

21Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

Hello DJT_47,

Thank you for sharing a scripture that reaffirms the enduring nature of the world. It’s profound to consider that Yahavah, in His wisdom, created this beautiful world for mankind—not to bring it to an end, but to sustain it. While many believe otherwise, there are indeed passages in scripture that confirm the world will endure, lasting and standing forever.

 

[DJT_47]

Hello DJT_47,

Thank you for sharing a scripture that reaffirms the enduring nature of the world. It’s profound to consider that Yahavah, in His wisdom, created this beautiful world for mankind—not to bring it to an end, but to sustain it. While many believe otherwise, there are indeed passages in scripture that confirm the world will endure, lasting and standing forever.

There are some transactions like the kjv which I do use and like, that however lead you to believe that the world ends like in Matthew 24, but in reality, the Greek says the end of the age, not world.

 

[Earburner]

Hello Earburner,

While this may not be the primary topic of discussion, I believe that every living soul is a divine gift shared with all humanity. That said, you're welcome to explore this perspective further if you wish, Your Soul Is God-Given (Bible Study)

There is nothing divine about the mortal flesh of man, or that which gives the flesh life!!
No one has ever received a "living soul".
All should learn to discern and digest Lev. 17
[11] For the LIFE OF the flesh is IN the blood......

That "life of the flesh" is called oxygenated air.

 

[MatthewG]

There is nothing divine about the mortal flesh of man, or that which gives the flesh life!!
No one has ever received a "living soul".
All should learn to discern and digest Lev. 17
[11] For the LIFE OF the flesh is IN the blood......

That "life of the flesh" is called oxygenated air.

Hello Earburner,

I am simply expressing my personal beliefs, and while I respect differing viewpoints, I am firm in the perspective I’ve shared. I believe that life resides in the blood, and when circulation ceases, the soul within a living being transitions onward. Others may see this differently, and that’s perfectly acceptable. Nonetheless, I hope it’s understood that this is the position I hold.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Your Soul Is God-Given (Bible Study)

Hello, Your very soul is God-given. As God had made Adam (mankind) from the dust of the earth he breathed into him, and he became a living soul. Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul...

www.christianityboard.com

 

[bdavidc]

Many today hold the belief that caring for the world is futile—reasoning that since it will ultimately be destroyed, there is no value in stewarding it. This mindset often draws from interpretations of scriptures such as those found in Peter’s writings, which describe the end of an age in terms of intense heat. However, this passage does not necessarily suggest the complete annihilation of the world, but rather the transformation or conclusion of a particular era.

Scripture offers a broader, more enduring perspective on creation and humanity’s role within it:

• Isaiah 45:12 affirms, “It is I who made the earth and created mankind upon it. My own hands stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts.”
• Genesis 1:26–28 reveals God’s intent for humankind: to reflect His image, populate the earth, and exercise stewardship over all living creatures.
• Psalm 104:5 declares, “He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.”

These verses collectively emphasize the enduring nature of the earth and the divine intention for human responsibility toward it. If the earth was created to stand firm forever, why should we believe it is destined for complete destruction?

Such ideas may stem not from Scripture itself but from long-standing traditions and interpretations that conflict with the biblical narrative. It is worth reexamining these perspectives to rediscover a theology that affirms creation’s value and our duty to care for it.

I think your post has good ideas on stewardship, but some key points do not square with Scripture when taken in isolation. You say that we still need to care for the world because it will not be destroyed but only “changed, renewed or that only an “era” will end. But 2 Peter 3: 10–12 says the very heavens will pass away with a great noise, the elements will melt with fervent heat, and the earth and all the works that are therein will be burned up. That is not symbolic, and it’s not just the end of an age, it is the total annihilation of the current creation. Verse 13 makes it clear: “Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.” That shows clearly that the current earth will be replaced, not merely restored or fixed up.

Psalm 104: 5 is not a verse that means the earth will never be moved so that it will last for all eternity. The Psalms do not teach directly on such issues, and to read them that way is to misuse them. In fact, if you look at Psalm 102: 25–26, it balances it out: “Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth… They shall perish, but thou shalt endure.” So even the Psalms do not teach that the earth will last for all eternity.

Genesis 1: 26–28 clearly teaches that God has given humans the responsibility to steward the earth. But the command does not imply that the earth itself is eternal. Our rule over the earth is not permanent. 1 John 2: 17 says plainly, “The world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth forever.” So you’re right that we should care for this creation in obedience to God, but not because this world is going to last. It won’t. Scripture is clear that this creation is groaning and will be set free (Romans 8: 22–23) and that a new creation is coming (Revelation 21:1). Any teaching that softens or attempts to mitigate that is unbiblical.

 

[Earburner]

Hello Earburner,

I am simply expressing my personal beliefs, and while I respect differing viewpoints, I am firm in the perspective I’ve shared. I believe that life resides in the blood, and when circulation ceases, the soul within a living being transitions onward. Others may see this differently, and that’s perfectly acceptable. Nonetheless, I hope it’s understood that this is the position I hold.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Your Soul Is God-Given (Bible Study)

Hello, Your very soul is God-given. As God had made Adam (mankind) from the dust of the earth he breathed into him, and he became a living soul. Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul...

www.christianityboard.com

And it's my confirmed belief that the "breath of life" is nothing more than oxygenated air.
"There can always be more than one lie, but there can never be more than one truth"- Earburner.

 

[MatthewG]

I think your post has good ideas on stewardship, but some key points do not square with Scripture when taken in isolation. You say that we still need to care for the world because it will not be destroyed but only “changed, renewed or that only an “era” will end. But 2 Peter 3: 10–12 says the very heavens will pass away with a great noise, the elements will melt with fervent heat, and the earth and all the works that are therein will be burned up. That is not symbolic, and it’s not just the end of an age, it is the total annihilation of the current creation. Verse 13 makes it clear: “Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.” That shows clearly that the current earth will be replaced, not merely restored or fixed up.

Psalm 104: 5 is not a verse that means the earth will never be moved so that it will last for all eternity. The Psalms do not teach directly on such issues, and to read them that way is to misuse them. In fact, if you look at Psalm 102: 25–26, it balances it out: “Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth… They shall perish, but thou shalt endure.” So even the Psalms do not teach that the earth will last for all eternity.

Genesis 1: 26–28 clearly teaches that God has given humans the responsibility to steward the earth. But the command does not imply that the earth itself is eternal. Our rule over the earth is not permanent. 1 John 2: 17 says plainly, “The world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth forever.” So you’re right that we should care for this creation in obedience to God, but not because this world is going to last. It won’t. Scripture is clear that this creation is groaning and will be set free (Romans 8: 22–23) and that a new creation is coming (Revelation 21:1). Any teaching that softens or attempts to mitigate that is unbiblical.

Hello bdavidc,

Your post has good points on stewardship, but some claims don’t align with Scripture when isolated. The Bible clearly teaches that the current creation will be destroyed, not just renewed—2 Peter 3:10–13 describes complete annihilation, followed by a new heaven and earth. Psalm 104:5 shouldn’t be read as saying the earth will last forever; Psalm 102:25–26 confirms it will perish. Genesis 1 shows we’re called to steward the earth, but that doesn't mean it's eternal—1 John 2:17 says the world passes away. Romans 8 and Revelation 21 also speak of a groaning creation awaiting renewal. So yes, we care for creation in obedience, but we shouldn’t teach that this world is going to last. That would be unbiblical.

You are welcome to disagree. However, people have been waiting for what Peter has said for over 1000 years, and the world continues onward... Therefore perhaps there is another meaning which Peter is talking about, which concerned the end of the Mosaic age, when Yeshua would return, of course, that choice of what you believe is your own personal beliefs concerning that one line of passage.

 

[MatthewG]

And it's my confirmed belief that the "breath of life" is nothing more than oxygenated air.
"There can always be more than one lie, but there can never be more than one truth"- Earburner.

Hello Earburner,

Whatever you like bud. I don't have to agree with you.

 

[bdavidc]

Hello bdavidc,

Your post has good points on stewardship, but some claims don’t align with Scripture when isolated. The Bible clearly teaches that the current creation will be destroyed, not just renewed—2 Peter 3:10–13 describes complete annihilation, followed by a new heaven and earth. Psalm 104:5 shouldn’t be read as saying the earth will last forever; Psalm 102:25–26 confirms it will perish. Genesis 1 shows we’re called to steward the earth, but that doesn't mean it's eternal—1 John 2:17 says the world passes away. Romans 8 and Revelation 21 also speak of a groaning creation awaiting renewal. So yes, we care for creation in obedience, but we shouldn’t teach that this world is going to last. That would be unbiblical.

I have already shown what Scripture says, plainly, directly, and in context. You can’t just ignore verses like 2 Peter 3: 10–13, Romans 8, or Revelation 21 because they do not align with your personal position. If your view requires minimizing or redefining what God plainly revealed, then it is not biblical.

You are free to believe what you want. But if it doesn’t square with the Word of God, don’t claim that it is truth. Truth is not changeable. It does not change to meet our personal preferences. Either submit to what Scripture plainly says, or be honest enough to admit that you are making up your own version. But know this: the rejection of truth does not negate it. It only uncovers the state of your heart.

 

[Earburner]

Hello Earburner,

Whatever you like bud. I don't have to agree with you.

Hey "bud", it's Okay if you only want to entertain people who agree with you, even when the simple truth is being ignored by most Christians.
Remember, the book of Genesis was written by Moses, who knew nothing about the necessity of the gaseous elements of Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide, while he himself also continued breathing the "breath of life".
Edit:
Do you not see that just this one simple error of understanding of what "the breath of life" actually is, has led millions of believers to falsely believe that they have been given an eternally living soul by God?

As a result there have been numerous false doctrines generated from it, such as people believing that they shall be in burning torment by everlasting fire, that shall burn them forever, nonstop.

So then, back to your topic- will this literal planet earth be saved and restored, or will it be completely destroyed?
The NT Bible says plainly that it will be totally and utterly destroyed.
2 Peter 3:1-18