False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

[The Light]

The seventh seal is numerically after the sixth seal. But not chronologically.

The trumpet judgements and the vials of God's wrath are part of the Great Tribulation.

There is a difference between the tribulation and the wrath of God. The tribulation is OVER at the 6th seal and then the wrath of God begins.

I don't know how you can study Revelation all these years and not understand that.

 

[The Light]

So you were wrong about the 144k doing the singing. That's progress.

Sweet................................, you still are confused about the 144,000 being redeemed from the earth

The passage has them on the mountain not in heaven or leaving the mount and traveling to heaven.

So, you haven't grasped what first fruits are and what redeemed FROM the earth means. Also you can't comprehend where the throne of God is. Hint 2 It's not on the earth

No, your interpretations are wrong. You don't have to be right before the throne physically to be "without fault before the throne".

You tell me my interpretations are wrong? How is it you have the Church going throuth the wrath of God when we are not appointed to wrath? How is it that you can't grasp that when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, Jesus has set up His kingdom on the earth?

 

[Douggg]

There is a difference between the tribulation and the wrath of God. The tribulation is OVER at the 6th seal and then the wrath of God begins.

I don't know how you can study Revelation all these years and not understand that.

The sixth seal is close to the end of the great tribulation, but not quite as there will still be 45 days left.

The sixth seal event is when the sign of the Son of Man (Matthew 24:30a) appears in heaven. From that point, there are 45 days that the kings of the earth assemble their armies at Armageddon, and surround Jerusalem taking half of the city as hostages, to make a vain attempt at keeping Jesus from executing judgment on them.

On the 45th day, Jesus descends to earth, executes judgment and the great tribulation ends.

 

[Timtofly]

Jesus and the holy angels are not falling stars.

Jesus is the Lamb in Revelation 6:16 whose state of wrath with be apparent.,

No the stars are the symbolism of angels coming to earth. There are no physical stars. The angels are the heavenly host as flaming ministers shining the light in the firmament. That is their job per the 4th day of creation.

There is no physical Lamb in heaven. There are no physical stars either. In the book of Revelation when John writes "a star fell to earth", that is an angel come to earth. They did not fall. None of the angels are "cast to earth". The only physical things being thrown anywhere are humans into the LOF. And perhaps they won't look like basketballs going into a hoop, physically, but an angel will transport body, soul, and spirit into the LOF. Obviously they "are stars", so fire will not harm an angel.

Part of Satan's deception of humanity is to get them away from Genesis and thinking we live in a 14 billion year old universe with huge balls of gas in a firmament, that once had water physically above that area, that came down in Noah's Flood. People deny a world wide Flood, and also that water was once above all those stars in the firmament.

 

[Douggg]

No the stars are the symbolism of angels coming to earth. There are no physical stars. The angels are the heavenly host as flaming ministers shining the light in the firmament. That is their job per the 4th day of creation.

The stars in the sixth seal appear to fall to earth (actually what is meant is that they disappear on the horizon). Those are not Jesus and the holy angels coming down to earth. It is talking about the universe parting like a scroll when it is rolled up (in verse 14). Another way to compare it is to as the curtains on a stage are pulled back.

Revelation 6.13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

 

[Timtofly]

The winepress is for them who choose to make war on Jesus. Not for all inhabitants on the earth.


The time/times/half time that Satan will have left is the second half of the 7 years.

What are you talking about "the confirmation of the Atonement Covenant" ?



The winepress is of God's wrath. There will be many persons who become Christians during 7 years, including the bulk of the Jews - i.e. the great tribulation saints. They are not cast into that winepress of God's wrath.

The whole point of the Second Coming is to eradicate sin and death. Adam's dead flesh has to be changed, and those who reject God will not be changed. The Flood killed all life on earth, except those in the ark.

Changed out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh is the only path of survival to inherit the earth during the Day of the Lord.

 

[Douggg]

There are no physical stars either. In the book of Revelation when John writes "a star fell to earth", that is an angel come to earth.

The stars moving out of their place in the sixth seal is talking about the literal stars of the universe.

Differently, in Revelation 9:1, the star falling from heaven, given the key to the bottomless pit distinguishes that star as a person - Satan.

 

[Douggg]

The whole point of the Second Coming is to eradicate sin and death.

No, it is not. Jesus's Second Coming will be to bring the Kingdom of God to be the ruling kingdom here on earth, over all nations. And to end Satan and his angels mystical kingdom of Babylon the Great and its effects on the nations.

Death is not cast into the lake of fire until after the 1000 years reign of Jesus, and will take place at the time of the Great White Throne judgment . Revelation 20:14.

 

[The Light]

The sixth seal is close to the end of the great tribulation, but not quite as there will still be 45 days left.

The sixth seal event is when the sign of the Son of Man (Matthew 24:30a) appears in heaven.

OK Douggg, Forget these 45 days.

The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24:30 is immediately after the tribulation.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The 6th seal is IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION. We know this because it is marked by the sun, moon and stars

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

So at the 6th seal, the tribulation is OVER. Then the 1-Year wrath of God begins.

The wrath begins after Jesus comes for the harvest at the 6th seal.

Revelation 6
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

[ewq1938]

Sweet................................, you still are confused about the 144,000 being redeemed from the earth

No, I'm correct on it also.

So, you haven't grasped what first fruits are

Everyone understands something that simplistic.

and what redeemed FROM the earth means.

They are from the Earth and are redeemed. It isn't speaking of them being removed from the Earth.

Also you can't comprehend where the throne of God is. Hint 2 It's not on the earth

Everyone understands something that simplistic. Saying this is known as using a Strawman argument, something you use a lot.

You tell me my interpretations are wrong? How is it you have the Church going throuth the wrath of God when we are not appointed to wrath?

No one believes the church goes through God's wrath. You already know this so this strawman is intentional.

How is it that you can't grasp that when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, Jesus has set up His kingdom on the earth?

Why can't YOU grasp that your points are invalid strawmans? You are the one who thinks Jesus and the 144k are in heaven when the truth is they are all on the Earth in that very kingdom.

 

[Douggg]

OK Douggg, Forget these 45 days.

The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24:30 is immediately after the tribulation.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The 6th seal is IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION. We know this because it is marked by the sun, moon and stars

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

So at the 6th seal, the tribulation is OVER. Then the 1-Year wrath of God begins.

The wrath begins after Jesus comes for the harvest at the 6th seal.

Revelation 6
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The part in red is the sixth seal event.

The part in blue is Jesus's descent to earth.

The part in red takes place after "the tribulation of those days". The great tribulation is not quite over is the reason it does not say after the great tribulation of those days.

The final vial of God's wrath, the seventh vial, is poured out on the earth in Revelation 16:17-20 - right before Jesus descends to earth.

The seven vials of God's wrath takes place during the course of great tribulation (1335 days long). The winepress of God's wrath takes place on the last day of the great tribulation, the day of Jesus's return.


Here is a extract of a chart I made showing that final 7th vial poured out on the earth. Also the tribulation of those days (1290 days long) and the great tribulation (1335 days long) and the 45 days that the kings of the earth assemble their armies at Armageddon.

 

[Douggg]

So at the 6th seal, the tribulation is OVER. Then the 1-Year wrath of God begins.

The wrath begins after Jesus comes for the harvest at the 6th seal.

There is nothing about a harvest in the sixth seal event text. In the sixth seal event though, Jesus will be seen in the third heaven with sickle in hand, for the harvest of the wicked into the winepress of God's wrath, 45 days later, when Jesus descends to earth.

You keep calling saying "the tribulation" instead of great tribulation. I think you do that because of the pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib designations that men have come up with as part of their doctrines regarding the rapture timing. In which, they mistakenly call the entire seven year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 - "the tribulation".

The day that Jesus descends to earth, on the last day of the 7 years, that is when the winepress of God's wrath takes place.

On that day, in Revelation 19:21, Jesus executes judgment on the armies gathered to make war on Him - in Jerusalem and the immediate vicinity. At the same time, the angel given a sickle also will execute God's wrath on the rest of the kings of earth armies throughout the rest of Israel, including the Armageddon area, Revelation 14:19:20.

 

[The Light]

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The part in red is the sixth seal event.

It is all a 6th seal event Douggg

The part in blue is Jesus's descent to earth.

Jesus DOES NOT descend to the earth at the 6th seal, he remains in the clouds. He sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth.

The part in red takes place after "the tribulation of those days". The great tribulation is not quite over is the reason it does not say after the great tribulation of those days.

The tribulation of those days is the great tribulation

The final vial of God's wrath, the seventh vial, is poured out on the earth in Revelation 16:17-20 - right before Jesus descends to earth.

The seven vials of God's wrath takes place during the course of great tribulation (1335 days long). The winepress of God's wrath takes place on the last day of the great tribulation, the day of Jesus's return.

Contrary to what is commonly taught, the tribulation is OVER before the wrath of God begins.

You have the seventh seal happening during the Great Tribulation. The Word say the tribulation is over at the 6th seal.

Here is a extract of a chart I made showing that final 7th vial poured out on the earth. Also the tribulation of those days (1290 days long) and the great tribulation (1335 days long) and the 45 days that the kings of the earth assemble their armies at Armageddon.

The great tribulation is over at the 6th seal, just like the Word says. Then the 1-year wrath of God will begin when the 1st trumpet is sounded.

 

[Douggg]

It is all a 6th seal event Douggg

There are 3 steps in those two verses.

step 1.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

step 2:

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:

step 3:

and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

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steps 1 and 2 are the sixth seal event.

45 days later, step 3 is Jesus's decent to earth.

 

[Timtofly]

The stars in the sixth seal appear to fall to earth (actually what is meant is that they disappear on the horizon). Those are not Jesus and the holy angels coming down to earth. It is talking about the universe parting like a scroll when it is rolled up (in verse 14). Another way to compare it is to as the curtains on a stage are pulled back.

Revelation 6.13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

John presents it that way, while at the same time they are seen as dissolving in a huge Flood of fire. The 6th Seal event will burn up all the works on the earth, when the stars as the angels all stand upon the earth.

"And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit."

The star was an angel.

"And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:"

The sun is a star, and this angel had a face like the sun. Throughout Revelation the angels are portrayed as functioning as the natural phenomenon we would not normally attribute to an angel. Except that is the point, no? Angels are behind the scenes, as it were, and always have been since the 4th day.

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:"

The angels were to provide all that in creation. Then some associate them with all the spiritual warfare. Angels are not humans. They are the heavenly host, and according to John behind much physical phenomenon as well.

Scripture has never pitted spiritual against physical, they fit together like a hand in a glove. What is at odds, is sinful flesh, disobedience, and the bondage of sin against God's perfection, obedience to God, and freedom in Christ.

 

[The Light]

There is nothing about a harvest in the sixth seal event text.

Here is the result of the 6th seal harvest.

Revelation 7

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

In the sixth seal event though, Jesus will be seen in the third heaven with sickle in hand, for the harvest of the wicked into the winepress of God's wrath,

He also harvests the righteous as seen here

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

45 days later, when Jesus descends to earth.

It will be over a year before Jesus descends to the earth.

You keep calling saying "the tribulation" instead of great tribulation.

The tribulation of those days is the great tribulation. The great tribulation is over at the 6th seal. It is the gathering from heaven and earth. All return to heaven for the marriage supper of the Lamb. The wrath of God is on earth and only the woman, Israel, those that fled to a place of protection and the unrighteous are on earth during the wrath of God

I think you do that because of the pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib designations that men have come up with as part of their doctrines regarding the rapture timing. In which, they mistakenly call the entire seven year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 - "the tribulation".

You are correct. The entire 70th week of Daniel is not the tribulation.

The day that Jesus descends to earth, on the last day of the 7 years, that is when the winepress of God's wrath takes place.

On that day, in Revelation 19:21, Jesus executes judgment on the armies gathered to make war on him - in the Jerusalem and immediate vicinity. At the same time, the angel given a sickle also will execute God's wrath on the rest of the kings of earth armies throughout the rest of Israel, including the Armageddon area, Revelation 14:19:20.

You've got this twisted up. You think the 7th seal runs during the other seals. No. The 7th seal is the wrath of God. The wrath of God is over at the 7th trumpet. When the 7th trumpet sounds the kingdoms of the world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. That means Jesus has returned and Armageddon has already occurred.

Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

When you see the wicked cast into the wrath of God, that event happens at the 6th seal. Then Gods wrath begins. The Armageddon event happens during the 6th trumpet. Just like the Armageddon event happens at the 6th vial. The trumpet and vials happen in the same time frame.

Revelation reads like Genesis 7. In Genesis 7 you have the flood shown multiple times, but there is one flood. You have Noah seen loading the animals' multiple times, but he only loads them once. When you are reading Revelation, you have two views of the tribulation and two views of the wrath of God.

Revelation reads chronologically from Rev 3 to Revelation 11. Revelation 7 is the exception as the events of Rev 7 occur during the 1st 6 Seals. The great tribulation is over at the 6th seal. Then the wrath of God begins when the 7th seal is opened and the 1st trumpet sounds. At the end of Revelation 11 the wrath of God is over. Jesus has returned and Armageddon has already happened. The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord.

When you are reading Revelation 13 and 14 you are getting another view of the 1st 6 seals and the tribulation. When you are reading Revelation 15 and 16 you are getting another view of the 7th seal wrath of God.

 

[Douggg]

Jesus DOES NOT descend to the earth at the 6th seal, he remains in the clouds. He sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth.

No, in Matthew 24:30b, Jesus descends to earth. Then after executing judgment on the wicked, Jesus then in Matthew 24:31 sends his angels to gather the Jews still in the nations back to Israel - a promise that God made to them back in Deuteronomy 30:1-6.

The Jews (Judaism) call that gathering of all the Jews back to the land of Israel - "the final redemption" which they expect the messiah to do. And since Jesus did not do it back in His first coming, the Jews use that as a one of their reasons for their unbelief that Jesus is the messiah.

The tribulation of those days is the great tribulation

Not quite all of the great tribulation. 45 days left at that point before the 1335 day great tribulation is over.

Contrary to what is commonly taught, the tribulation is OVER before the wrath of God begins.

When Jesus returns, He ends the great tribulation and the wrath of God. And the millennial rule begins.

You have the seventh seal happening during the Great Tribulation. The Word say the tribulation is over at the 6th seal.

Quit confusing matters by interchanging "the Great Tribulation" with "the tribulation".

The seventh seal opened in Revelation 8 reveals the trumpet judgments that will take place during the Great Tribulation.

The great tribulation is over at the 6th seal, just like the Word says. Then the 1-year wrath of God will begin when the 1st trumpet is sounded.

The text of Revelation 6 regarding the sixth seal does not say that the Great Tribulation is over at that point.

I don't know where you are getting a 1-year period of the wrath of God ?

 

[The Light]

There are 3 steps in those two verses.

step 1.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

step 2:

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:

step 3:

and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

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steps 1 and 2 are the sixth seal event.

45 days later, step 3 is Jesus's decent to earth.

Jesus does not return to the earth in step 3.

The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 is not Jesus coming to the earth. It is the second coming as all eyes will see the coming of the Lord. But He will remain in the clouds and then return to heaven for the marriage supper.

The second advent is when Jesus returns to the earth. That happens at the end of the trumpets. The trumpets and vial are different views of the same timeframe so of course the second advent is seen in the vials.

 

[Timtofly]

The stars moving out of their place in the sixth seal is talking about the literal stars of the universe.

Differently, in Revelation 9:1, the star falling from heaven, given the key to the bottomless pit distinguishes that star as a person - Satan.

The angels are the stars in the firmament. That is from Genesis 1. Man's science is at odds with God's Word. The heavenly host is this alleged universe that will dissolve in a "ball" of fire at the 6th Seal.

The curtain of man's science will roll up like a scroll and dissolve away, along with all this spiritual blindness causing humans to see things that are not there, and unable to see what is actually there.

Science of the mind has literally created a virtual universe that does not even exist.

The literal stars of the firmament are the heavenly host, the angels. In the firmament they don't appear human. They are the flaming ministers, ie stars. Psalms 104:4

"Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:"

That was written about in the Gospels at the birth of Christ. The angels came to earth then as well. They just did not burn up everything at that time. The term spirit is associated with air or gas throughout Scripture, and context needs to be used to seperate physical from holy. But in the firmament being holy and being physical is the same, as sin has not affected the angels doing their jobs as the stars. The angels that rebelled have been locked in the pit of Revelation 9 and 20, and are only loosed between the 5th and 7th Trumpets, then presumably placed in the LOF during the Day of the Lord.

Spiritual warfare has not been angels against angels. That is why we cannot conflate sons of God with angels. There were humans also created not from Adam and Eve, along with billions of demonic spirits of humans from Adam and Eve. That is the spiritual warfare going on. Humanity including the sons of God have a spirit, which is what angels are: spirits. Demonic possession is just another human spirit invading the soul and mind of another human. Spirits are not a third creation beside angels and humans. Angels are spirits, and the sons of God have a spirit. As a restored son of God, several verses claim we will shine as the angels/stars. That is a physical attribute of having a spirit on over the physical body. Which is what Jesus demonstrated on the mount of Transfiguration. Jesus did not become an angel or star. The natural form of a son of God shines like a star or the sun.

The reverse happens to angels when they appear on earth, they have to appear as fallen humans without a spirit. So the point is that John in Revelation is declaring that after the 6th Seal, angels will appear on the earth in their natural form, and those stars will literally come to earth as stars.

Obviously that form is not what we are taught about the firmament. Angels are not gigantic physical "balls" of burning gas. There is no 14 billion year universe taking up this vast space as portrayed in science nor fictional science. The firmament is "as bland" as portrayed in Genesis 1. The firmament is far from bland, just not how humans imagine in their spiritual blindness, since Adam disobeyed God. It took many generations of humans to exist before the sons of God were even interested in Adam and Eve's offspring. Obviously the sons of God were removed from the earth and had to wait in heaven just like the dead have to wait in sheol until the end of this creation. Just like the church has to wait in Paradise given to Adam and Eve's offspring until the NHNE.

 

[Douggg]

He also harvests the righteous as seen here

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Why do you always leave out verse 20 ? Verse 20 makes it clear that Revelation 14:14-16 is not a rapture.