Timtofly
Well-Known Member
Then the Second Coming in your opinion is not a surprise event?QUOTE;
"Revelation 19 is not a surprise event. It is a planned event down to the day and the hour. Revelation 19 is what is called Armageddon. Revelation 19 is 3.5 days after the 2 witnesses are killed. The 7 vials are poured out during those 3.5 days. Revelation 19 is the winepress of God's wrath, as the one mentioned in Revelation 14 did not happen. If the winepress happened in Revelation 14, then Satan was never given 42 months, and the winepress was at the end of the days of the 7th Trumpet, and the 144k did not leave on white horses. The winepress is not a harvest to eternal life. The winepress is the last of humanity physically dying. "
You have that all muddled up friend.
Jesus Returns after the trib or wrath or whatever the current modern word is, on white horses, destroys the devils army and chains satan, kicking off the mil.
The 144 k are ALREADY IN HEAVEN per rev14.
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
So simple, but people need it all complicated
The tribulation that the Second Coming is after is the 2,000 years of church tribulation as noted by Jesus in Matthew 24:4-14
"And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."
After that the church is not on the earth nor coming out of great tribulation, from that point on, after the 6th Seal has removed all the surprise of what is to come. Why do you think the time of greatest tribulation ever has lasted for 1994?
Jacob's trouble is after the Second Coming when Jesus and the angels are gathering Jacob from all over the world, after the Second Coming. The Second Coming that is not against Satan, but an event that no one will be prepared for, because it happens at a moment when you think not. Since you think the planned battle of Armageddon is the Second Coming, then it is not, according to Jesus' own words:
"Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh."
"Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."