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Yes, we have. Fortunately, God's word is more than sufficient to overcome that mindset that insists his creation of male and female must have occurred some other way.
In the end God will apply correction upon the false teaching that insists we are not all one in Christ. And the sin of bigotry is righteous in his name.
God is a spirit. Not a male.
Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
1 Corinthians 11:11
Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman;
Galatians 3:26-28
For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
1 Corinthians 11:11
Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman;
Galatians 3:26-28
For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
God also said in marriage the wife and husband are one.
"God gives lights that they may shine, and the church should cease its efforts to put out these lights, or to so wall them in as to limit to a small number those whom they may enlighten."
-- B. T. Roberts, "Ordaining Women," (p. 67, written in 1891.)
-- B. T. Roberts, "Ordaining Women," (p. 67, written in 1891.)
NOTE: As I know that you are too prideful (afraid) to acknowledge the truth, I am not posting this for your sake, but for the women who are reading. I will not be intimidated by a man to not speak the truth on this or any other matter.
You so love taking single verses out of their context and giving them your own faulty interpretation.
1 Corinthians 11:1-12 (KJV)
1Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
2Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
2But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
4Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
5But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
6For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
7For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
8For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
9Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
10For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
11Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
12For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.
Read that verse in context especially that very last phrase. There you have the answer to your question of "equality."
That chapter is speaking of the order of creation, and how that women were given their long hair as a covering. And if you read carefully, this is speaking of two things that women must do with her head covered ....praying and prophesying... both of which contradict most men's interpretation of women keeping silence in the church. Now....how do you suppose a woman can both pray and prophesy while being silent??
This is the very reason I have stated over and over that the scripture must all be taken in context, and as a whole. Scripture interprets scripture. Considering that this chapter says women may pray and prophesy, and other places in the NT that mention female prophets, deaconesses, teachers, pastors (house churches which Paul himself recommend and attended) ...then I believe that an humble and upright man would take all of this to the Lord for correction of their false interpretations.
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Wrangler
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Not an answer to my question about What does this 1 Corinthians 11:7 Scripture verse mean to you in terms of equality?
@Amazed@grace I added more to my last post and am still editing. I am at a doctor appointment and posted in a hurry. lol
Well done sister.:)
Women served side by side with Paul. He praised certain of them for their gifts.
Now, either Paul served equally with women because God calls those whom he chooses to deliver the good news, not men.And
Apostle Paul knew this, which is why women spoke in the church as "pastors"And apostles. Keeping in mind, this is because Paul knew there is no male or female in the church. Because we are all one in Christ.
Or, misinterpreting Paul to further a sin filled sexist agenda, proponents of that sin are insisting Paul contradicted himself in his own epistles to the churches.
And then there is the fact Jesus walked with women disciples.
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@Amazed@grace I am done editing, I believe... at least for now. If you refresh, you'll see it in full. :)
I did that. I too edited. :) Adding some thoughts and fixing the inevitable type-oh!
Wrangler
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Not sure what this has to do with the Cultural Marxist term of 'Equality?" Silent on my point of lack of 'equality' within groups?
Every idea has both a GENUS and a DIFFERENTIA. Just because something belongs to the same GENUS, has 1 thing in common, does not make 'equality' among the DIFFERENTIA. Take furniture. A love seat and a couch have 'equality' in that they belong to 'furniture.' But one is designed for 2 people while the other for 3 - even if the couch is being used to serve 2 people.
I look forward to a response of inequality within groups.
- WOMEN DATING & JOB OPTIONS: Supermodels with college degrees v 200 pounds over weight not even GED.
- MEN IN NBA: > 6' tall & thin to <6' tall & fat.
It's a matter of remaining on the topic as pertains to scripture. While ignoring they red herring of "cultural Marxism".
amigo de christo
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Just as JESUS and the church are one . God and Christ are one .
But there is an order to things .
Thus let us never contradict the original pattern . If JESUS said it we say it , if the apostels said it we say it .
For who is greater he who sits at meat or he that serves . Well its he who sits at meat , YET the greatest
served . JESUS . JESUS taught , corrected did all that was necessary for us to be saved , learn and grow .
But as i said , IF GOD said it , JESUS said it , the apostels said it , WE DO IT .
THUS NEVER let a woman lead or teach the church . I stick to doctrine .
And though , as many know , i see myself as no better than any , no more equal than any , I STICK TO BIBLE .
And not the angels , not man , not even a speaking donkey gonna change my mind .
FOR iF GOD said it , IF JESUS said it , IF THE apostels said it , THEN I SAY IT .
Be encouraged . I am neither one who thinks he ought to be served , nor a hater . i just speak truth .
This is one of the repeating subjects on Christian forums; always started by men who continuously try to put out the light in women.
There isn't much point getting involved with it as these men of God are still living under the illusion that God doesn't want women in certain ministries. In the UK we have female church leaders and even bishops, and I thank God for the enlightened men that made it possible.
I suggest that you are correct. :)
@TLHKAJ did not provide a answer to your question.
She instead eviscerated the implication behind your question with God's eternal truth.
:) And in proper context.
What interpolation such as that which you argue piecemeal and out of context fails to accomplish?
Is that, despite the passionate concerted effort to create God in the image and likeness of a misogynistic sexist bigot, the Genesis of our race is irrevocable and eternally of and from God. Hallelujah to the Lord almighty.
God created the man from the dust that was created from and of its creator, God. As are all things that exist of and from God.
Therefore, when God let Adam rest and then took from him the rib at Adam's midpoint, not from his skull, not from his foot, that the woman would not then be above Adam nor beneath him, but EQUAL, in that the rib was created of and from the dust as was that first man.
Therefore, and you do not need agree, for God's word speaks for itself, when Eve was made from that which was the dust from which God formed the man, Adam's rib, they were both equally made from the dust from which the flesh, blood, and bone of that first man did come. And in the image and likeness Of holy God did God make them.
Feel free to disagree yet again and still, with God's telling us of the origin of our creation of and from that sacred and eternal holy spirit.
Wrangler
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Yea, ignoring questions is always a sign of having truth on your side. Also, I always agreed that men and women equally share in the Spirit through Christ.
But it would be a Strawman to suppose being equal in 1 way constitutes 'equality.' Also, no response to my point about inequality within groups:
- WOMEN DATING & JOB OPTIONS: Supermodels with college degrees v 200 pounds over weight not even GED.
- MEN IN NBA: > 6' tall & thin to <6' tall & fat.
You have my deepest sympathies. Truly. You are desperate and angry.
Not at me, at yourself. Because no matter how hard you try, you cannot, shall not, persuade me, nor others here, either female or male, from the truth of God and his eternal word.
I shall not agree, ever, that women are made in the lesser image found only in your imagination.
What trials you must suffer when women are more populace in this world than are men.
They call me Feminist because I refuse to concede God made women in the image and likeness of a muted doormat.
Enjoy your life.
Wrangler
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Well, now you've lowered yourself to personal attacks. For some reason, you have convinced yourself that not equal is inferiority. My wife says we were made to cooperate, not compete. A fork and a spoon are not equal but complement each other.
You sadly embrace the evil ideals of communism. I know you won't answer my question about the inequality/inferiority men suffer in regards to your feminist ideals regarding:
1. Men living shorter lives.
2. Sexist laws putting 10/11 men in prison.
3. Men not being represented equally in physical custody after divorce.
2. Sexist laws putting 10/11 men in prison.
3. Men not being represented equally in physical custody after divorce.
Have a blessed day
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