What do you think about gender equality in Christianity?

[Pearl]

This subject is an old chestnut and keeps cropping up again and again. I have prayed about and read books about it and believe that women are filled with the same Spirit as their brothers in Christ. They are also joint heirs with Christ just as the men are. Jesus respected women and counted them among his friends.

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[Wrangler]

I have prayed about and read books about it and believe that women are filled with the same Spirit as their brothers in Christ.

Agreed. This is not equality make however. Being equal in 1 way, does not mean equality in every way. Whatever happened to celebrating diversity?

The Left has so many contradictions. I pray you will not accept cultural Marxists terms as they are not Godly folks.

 

[Truman]

Are we equal in value as far as being people goes? Absolutely! Never said we weren't.
I'm saying that we are two equal in value, but different, parts that together, make a whole.
What God does with us in eternity, I don't know.
My point here is that man consists of both sexes.
The problem I see here is the terminology.
And my limited understanding. :)

 

[Wrangler]

Are we equal in value as far as being people goes? Absolutely!

Beyond equal rights and equal protection under the law, there is no equality of value among people. Even in religion, in Christianity, there is the holy and the unholy, the saved and the damned.

The question you ask about value is the right question. As Ayn Rand pointed out, 'value' is a secondary concept, not a fundamental concept. Value always has to be understood in terms of a value to WHO - and for WHAT purpose.

One way to know we are not equal in value as far as being people goes is that jobs are not filled on a 1st come, 1st serve basis - especially those for dictator and other more lucrative roles. Under Cultural Marxism, terms are used for the purposes of being divisive. Consider the deliberately racist Black Lives Matter. Just as legitimate as White Lives Matter, right?

 

[Truman]

We are equal, but different.

 

[Wrangler]

The genders will never be equal if equal = the same.

Right! And the genders are not the same nor equal. This is not inherently problematic. The problem comes in advancing a deception that things that are not the same can be equal.

The idea of parsing same and equal is ridiculous.

 

[Wrangler]

Take a dollar bill and cut it down the middle, top to bottom.
Both halves are worth 50 cents, though they are not the same.

Wrong. Experiment. Go to a bank and see if they give you 50 cents for a $1 FRN cut in half.

 

[Wrangler]

We are equal, but different.

Contradiction. In addition, 'equality' does not mean equal. See differences.

 

[Amazed@grace]

Not sure the point you are making. Are you denying humans have free will and are capable of sin? Psalm 37:23 clarifies the 'we' in 16:9 are the Godly. Do you reject the idea of God forsaken?

Proverbs 16:9 We make our own plans, but the LORD decides where we will go.

Psalm 37:23 The LORD directs the steps of the godly. He delights in every detail of their lives.

Yes, thank you.:)
I referred to the wrong book. Not Psalms but Proverbs 16:9.

We have freedom to choose . But God's will is superior. We think we make our way in life, but God tells us his will steers its course.

Proverbs 16:9 A man's heart plans his course, but the LORD determines his steps.

 

[Truman]

I've done the same thing more than once. :)

 

[Amazed@grace]

Contradiction. In addition, 'equality' does not mean equal. See differences.

"equality (n.)
late 14c., "evenness, smoothness, uniformity;" c. 1400 in reference to amount or number; from Old French equalité "equality, parity" (Modern French égalité, which form dates from 17c.), from Latin aequalitatem (nominative aequalitas) "equality, similarity, likeness" (also sometimes with reference to civil rights), from aequalis "uniform, identical, equal" (see equal (adj.)). Early 15c. as "state of being equal." Of privileges, rights, etc., in English from 1520s."
equality | Origin and meaning of equality by Online Etymology Dictionary

 

[Amazed@grace]

We are equal, but different.

True. :)

 

[Wrangler]

"equality (n.)
late 14c., "evenness, smoothness, uniformity;

Exactly. You realize diversity and uniformity are antonyms?

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, he failed to lead his wife in the path of righteousness. And by that one man sin entered the world. As God willed.

Yall can preach calvin , as for me its JESUS CHRIST .
So wore out with doctrines of men which have done nothing but destroy and cause strife .
I am sticking with what GOD Himself says , I desire not the death of the wicked , but rather he would repent .
God desires repentance . And all we need to know is Salvation is in Christ . And learn that biblical Jesus well .
The apostels knew it too . God desires folks to be saved .
And salvation comes by CHRIST alone . SO believe it and continue in Him to the end .
I am so wore out with jehovas , or adventists or rome doctrines or whatever .

Its simple . BELIEVE IN CHRIST , be hearers and doers of the word , or we decieve ourselves .
Learn the biblical JESUS and the doctrine of the apostles as well . Embrace and love every word in those bibles .

 

[kcnalp]

Yall can preach calvin , as for me its JESUS CHRIST .
So wore out with doctrines of men which have done nothing but destroy and cause strife .
I am sticking with what GOD Himself says , I desire not the death of the wicked , but rather he would repent .
God desires repentance . And all we need to know is Salvation is in Christ . And learn that biblical Jesus well .
The apostels knew it too . God desires folks to be saved .
And salvation comes by CHRIST alone . SO believe it and continue in Him to the end .
I am so wore out with jehovas , or adventists or rome doctrines or whatever .

Its simple . BELIEVE IN CHRIST , be hearers and doers of the word , or we decieve ourselves .
Learn the biblical JESUS and the doctrine of the apostles as well . Embrace and love every word in those bibles .

The Satanic cults are invading Christian forums, denying that Jesus is God and Hell fire is eternal.

 

[Amazed@grace]

Yall can preach calvin , as for me its JESUS CHRIST .
So wore out with doctrines of men which have done nothing but destroy and cause strife .
I am sticking with what GOD Himself says , I desire not the death of the wicked , but rather he would repent .
God desires repentance . And all we need to know is Salvation is in Christ . And learn that biblical Jesus well .
The apostels knew it too . God desires folks to be saved .
And salvation comes by CHRIST alone . SO believe it and continue in Him to the end .
I am so wore out with jehovas , or adventists or rome doctrines or whatever .

Its simple . BELIEVE IN CHRIST , be hearers and doers of the word , or we decieve ourselves .
Learn the biblical JESUS and the doctrine of the apostles as well . Embrace and love every word in those bibles .

I've done some reading since hearing of Calvinism here.
John Calvin used scripture to form his own tradition.

But that isn't unusual in the world of men where the adversary is lord, is it?

 

[Wrangler]

"equality (n.)
late 14c., "evenness, smoothness, uniformity;"

"Equality" tempts us with the sin of coveting, pitting unequal groups to aspire for victory disguised as 'equality.' Don't forget that in math, 'equality' is a constraint. (Coins, quarters and pennies of an equal $ value are unequal in weight).

This thread is about 'equality' between 2 unequal groups. The problem with 'equality' can be seen even within groups.

• WOMEN DATING & JOB OPTIONS: Supermodels with college degrees v 200 pounds over weight not even GED.
• MEN IN NBA: > 6' tall & thin to <6' tall & fat.

It is so funny when people appeal to definitions in politics AS IF words are not used as weapons by the Left. Take feminism. Feminists assert the word means an advocate for 'equality' but we have many here who go to the ancient Greek or Hebrew. The root word for feminism is feminine, of women. So, feminism is synonymous with womanism. This fact is born out in their political agenda, which is to advance the cause of women. That men suffer from inequality with women in men dying younger, sexist laws putting men almost exclusively in jail (10 of 11) and unequal child custody in divorce is of no concern to these 'equality' seekers.

"Equality" is a Cultural Marxist term designed to advance communism, which appeals to groups covetous nature.

 

[Amazed@grace]

"Equality" tempts us with the sin of coveting, pitting unequal groups to aspire for victory disguised as 'equality.' Don't forget that in math, 'equality' is a constraint. (Coins, quarters and pennies of an equal $ value are unequal in weight).

This thread is about 'equality' between 2 unequal groups. The problem with 'equality' can be seen even within groups.

• WOMEN DATING & JOB OPTIONS: Supermodels with college degrees v 200 pounds over weight not even GED.
• MEN IN NBA: > 6' tall & thin to <6' tall & fat.

It is so funny when people appeal to definitions in politics AS IF words are not used as weapons by the Left. Take feminism. Feminists assert the word means an advocate for 'equality' but we have many here who go to the ancient Greek or Hebrew. The root word for feminism is feminine, of women. So, feminism is synonymous with womanism. This fact is born out in their political agenda, which is to advance the cause of women. That men suffer from inequality with women in men dying younger, sexist laws putting men almost exclusively in jail (10 of 11) and unequal child custody in divorce is of no concern to these 'equality' seekers.

"Equality" is a Cultural Marxist term designed to advance communism, which appeals to groups covetous nature.

It's so not funny when proponents of inequality invoke scripture to portray God in their image and likeness.

We are equally made , female and male, by God who is spirit, not male. We are made of and from God, as are all things in creation. As he tells us in his word. Made in the image and likeness, created he them. Them. Not just Adam. Not just Eve, the mother of all living, but them. Made from the same sacred divine elements of and from God.



Furthermore, and lastly, while we appear differently anatomically when viewing, assessing, and judging outer appearances, the truth is the male outer genetalia, when inverted inward on the female, make for the parts of her inward reproductive anatomy.

That's not politics. That's God.

 

[Wrangler]

We are equally made

We are not equally made. And we've covered this over and over again.

One way you know we are not equally made is Scripture tells us we are not equally the glory of the other. Man is the glory of God but women are the glory of men. What does this 1 Corinthians 11:7 Scripture verse mean to you in terms of equality?

by God who is spirit, not male

God is a male Spirit deary. He is referred to as he or him about 5,000 x in Scripture because males create life. God is exclusively associated with the Father many times throughout Scripture, including ALL of the Epistles. God and the Father are synonyms in Scripture.

And he will call out to me, ‘You are my Father, my God, and the Rock of my salvation.’
Psalm 89:26

“Don’t cling to me,” Jesus said, “for I haven’t yet ascended to the Father. But go find my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
John 20:17

For us, there is one God, the Father
1 Corinthians 8:6

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
2 Corinthians 1:2

I was not appointed by any group of people or any human authority, but by Jesus Christ himself and by God the Father,who raised Jesus from the dead.
Galatians 1:1

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
Ephesians 1:2

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
Philippians 1:2

May God our Father give you grace and peace.
Colossians 1:2

I was not appointed by any group of people or any human authority, but by Jesus Christ himself and by God the Father,who raised Jesus from the dead.
Galatians 1:1

We are writing to the church in Thessalonica, to you who belong to God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 & 2 Thessalonians 1:1

May God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord give you grace, mercy, and peace.
1 & 2 Timothy 1:2

May God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior give you grace and peace.
Titus 1:4

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
Philemon 1:3

For God never said to any angel what he said to Jesus: “You are my Son. Today I have become your Father.”
God also said, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son.
Hebrews 1:5

Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring
James 1:27

God the Father knew you and chose you long ago, and his Spirit has made you holy.
1 Peter 1:2

when he received honor and glory from God the Father.
2 Peter 1:17

We proclaim ... our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.
1 John 1:3 (NOTE: Again no reference to the HS)

Grace, mercy, and peace, which come from God the Father
2 John 1:3

He has made us a Kingdom of priests for God his Father.
Revelation 1:6

 

[Behold]

Gender equality is purely problem of human.

Gender Equality.
Transgender Equality.
Social Justice.

Let the Confused and The Lost worry about those, and let us be Light in this world for God, instead.
We, the born again, have things to do what matter, and worrying about " social and cultural equality" is not one of them.

Is discrimination wrong?
It depends on the type, Reader.
For example. Babies with a HEARTBEAT are discriminated against in the womb everyday, and not counted as being a LIFE or a HUMAN, and they are subsequently murdered in the womb.


In God's eyes we are all equal sinners, until we become born again redeemed saints.

And if someone asks you......"well what about women in the Ministry".
Then tell them what the NT says.
= A woman can be any type of minister except for being a PASTOR of a Church (Bishop).

Here is the rule. (NT). A Pastor must be the '""""HUSBAND of ONE Wife.""""

So, in a world of Homosexual rights, and Transgender oddities... they might think that a woman can be another woman's Husband, as insanity has no way to understand anything correctly.
And , you might believe this also, which proves you are a Politically Corrected head case.
God, on the other hand, is not politically correct, and He understands that a woman is not a man, (having made them both) and understands that a woman can't be a "husband" of one Wife".
So, she can't be a "Pastor".