Once Saved Always Saved

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
So before you accuse me of twisting what he is saying,

I did already say you are twisting what he said.
I already showed were you were twisting his words.

and I already told you you were mistaken if all you know is what you posted about our conversation. Here let me help you get to those post. Read in the order of the following post#.

Post#3533Once Saved Always Saved
Post#3588 Once Saved Always Saved
Post#3668 Once Saved Always Saved

Read those relevant post. After, you can’t point where in there I twisted anything that Ferris said. And where in there I mocked him.

Tong
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[marks]

I hope I can add to this thread...
Call me Cor. I am just a learner...

The question I first would asked What does the Bible say one is saved from....
And what does that mean to you? Add one scripture to support your point.

Hi Cor,

Here's one . . .

Romans 8:2 KJV
2) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Set free!

Much love!

 

[marks]

Repent of your heretical beliefs.

Because I quote and believe the Bible?

I suppose we are done then.

Much love!

 

[Tong2020]

@Wrangler

When you repented and believed and was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, and when you called on the name of the Lord to forgive your sins, do you believe God forgave your sins or not at that time? And during that time that you asked for forgiveness, what knowledge do you have regarding the forgiveness of your sins? That it is not absolute forgiveness? And when you were forgiven at that time, do you believe that God remembers no more those sins of yours or does He keep them in remembrance just in case?

Tong
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[marks]

<<<There is nothing in the Bible that says believe once and you are all set. Lip service will not get you past the gates of heaven.>>>

Nobody is saying anything like that.

The statement you are responding to, like you say, no one is saying that, but the statement itself is flawed.

Believing, even once, is not equal to "lip service". That merely slanders those who believe we are justified the same as Abraham, who believed God (in that moment) and it was counted to him for righteousness.

We are saved in faith in the same way as faithful Abraham. He was righteous BEFORE being circumcised, before offering Isaac.

But does anyone care about their fallacies once exposed? I very RARELY see that.

Much love!

 

[Corlove13]

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Hi Cor,

Here's one . . .

Romans 8:2 KJV
2) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Set free!

Much love!

Hi, Mark
I'm new to this Forum...Tks for responding
The problem I have with that passage is that it's referring to Him "me". Therefore not stating How that came about in Him that it can come across in others.

But sense you quoted it, what does it mean to be free from the law of sin and death....Especially if you were never a Jew?

 

[marks]

What Jesus Christ have given me is way way more than enough. He is all I want and need to have more than anything else.

God bless you!

Amen!!!

 

[marks]

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Hi, Mark
I'm new to this Forum...Tks for responding
The problem I have with that passage is that it's referring to Him "me". Therefore not stating How that came about in Him that it can come across in others.

But sense you quoted it, what does it mean to be free from the law of sin and death....Especially if you were never a Jew?

Romans 6 will give you those answers.

Much love!

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
If there be any figure that is a good one is that which scriptures give, such as the figure of a slave being freed.

Insightful analogy. When the slaves were freed in America, there was no action plan of what they were to do after. Many literally went back to doing the work of slaves.

There are many records of the freed slaves being worse off because their former masters had no interest in proving them food, clothing, shelter or healthcare.

So, you cannot free slaves in theory and they will benefit in practice unless associated action is taken, such as land grants, education on what it means to be free and responsible as well as applicable laws and training. What do these former slaves know how to do besides slave work? In addition, what action is to be taken to fill the vacuum of the work formerly done by slaves? (As you know, such a vacuum lends itself to a return to the old order).

Try the slave figure used in scriptures. Take the slave in the context of what a slave was in biblical times and in the culture of the Jews.

Also try reading John 10 on the figure of the Good Shepherd and His sheep. It was Jesus Himself who used that figure. You’ll get a good picture.

Tong
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[Taken]

I hope I can add to this thread...
Call me Cor. I am just a learner...

The question I first would asked What does the Bible say one is saved from....
And what does that mean to you? Add one scripture to support your point.

Hi Cor ~ Welcome to the Forum.

* What is one Saved From?
Damnation ~ Eternal Separation From God.

Mark 3:
[29] But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

Rom 13:
[2] Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

* What is one Saved Unto ?

Pss 48:14
[14] For this God is our God for ever and ever...

2 Cor 6:
[16] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Corlove13]

Hi Cor ~ Welcome to the Forum.

* What is one Saved From?
Damnation ~ Eternal Separation From God.

Mark 3:
[29] But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

Rom 13:
[2] Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

* What is one Saved Unto ?

Pss 48:14
[14] For this God is our God for ever and ever...

2 Cor 6:
[16] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Glory to God,
Taken

Hi, thank you for the greeting
If I may asked what is eternal, damnation...
SO God will only be a God to some and not to others? Didn't God divorce a group of people that He had chosen because they did not obey His commands?

 

[Corlove13]

HEBREWS 6 IS A DIFFICULT PASSAGE

ON ONE HAD, YOU WOULD THINK ONE WOULD THEN PURSUE GOING FORWARD OUT OF FEAR....BUT THEN AGAIN FEAR COULD BE LOVE.......

ONE MAY SAY WELL I AM NOT SECURE BECAUSE I DO NOT KNOW IF I MESSED UP TO THE POINT OF FOREVER FALLING AWAY AND NOT COMING BACK.
BUT MAYBE THAT IS GOOD TOO...

MY THOUGHT IS, HEBREWS IS ABOUT REJECTING WHAT SAVES.

BUT PEOPLE SEE SALVATION ONLY IN THE LIGHT OF RECONCILIATION. APART FROM
THE SAVING OF THEIR SOULS..LIVES HERE ON EARTH.
AS IT SAYS HAVING BEEN RECONCILED BY HIS DEATH HOW MUCH MORE WILL WE BE SAVED BY HIS LIFE.....

GOD REWARDS PEOPLE NOW WITH LIFE...LIFE THAT IS LOCATED "IN" HIS SON.
THIS IS HOW WE CAN OVERCOME THIS WORLD. IF YOU ARE NOW LIVING...AND NOT JUST EXISTING.

IT IS FOR US TO KNOW WE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE, NOT JUST SAY IT....AND THAT COMES BY LIVING OUT THE LIFE OF CHRIST...SO THAT ARE CHARACTER IS CHANGING THAT WHAT WE SAY IS EQUIVALENT TO WHAT WE DO........THEN IN MY OPINION IT's NOT JUST Christ in us.....but we are in Christ .....Christ in us is the hope of Glory....but what about if we are in Christ? So the question Christ is in us but are we in Christ.............things were written so that we may know we have eternal life not just say we do......

John 14 pharaprasing.......if we keep His commands the father and son will come to us........

 

[Wrangler]

Try the slave figure used in scriptures. Take the slave in the context of what a slave was in biblical times and in the culture of the Jews.

No. Stop presuming you are right and I have the burden to figure out how. You have no argument to support your position.

I demonstrated 2 metaphors to support my position, necessary action after being saved. You got nothing.

 

[Charlie24]

Thank you for your humble and kind words, brother Charlie.

I respect your position on this.

Not for anything else that I suggested that, but that you might see something there if you read it without then intention of proving someone else’s doctrine wrong.

But allow me to point something in there. What is impossible is to renew them to repentance. That is, if, and let me repeat that, if, they fall away.

Now, if say you (just to make my point) fall away today, do you see yourself impossible to to be renewed to repentance?

You don’t need to reply to this thread. As I said I respect your position.

Tong
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If I were in a jungle or a desert somewhere, totally lost with no hope, I would pray for God to send Tong.

I know with your persistence, it would be impossible for you not find a way out for us!

 

[marks]

Didn't God divorce a group of people that He had chosen because they did not obey His commands?

Another one.

 

[marks]

BUT PEOPLE SEE SALVATION ONLY IN THE LIGHT OF RECONCILIATION.

Which people??

 

[amigo de christo]

One hundred and ninety two pages of the same old , same old .
Its simple really . PREACH JESUS and ALL HIS TEACHINGS and all reminders even the apostels gave .
And the reminders JESUS spoke from heaven . Real simple i say . Whoever hears amen , who ever rejects , well that is on them .

 

[amigo de christo]

See the real question is , What JESUS are we following .
Mine said Ye must endure faithful unto the end .
He never told me even if i stopped believing just cause i prayed a prayer once and meant it , that i would still be saved .
HE said otherwise . SO tell me , What JESUS are we following . The one who on earth and from heaven
warned , Be faithful even unto death and i shall give thee a crown of life ,
OR the other one that says , OH no need too , even if you stop believing its all fine .
a couple of folks on this thread are teaching some seriously damnable heresays . THAT i never once heard
even the old OSAS ones dare to teach . YET why is it the other ones who preach OSAS wont correct them .
Its killing yalls testimony as well .

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Let the reader decide.

Much love!

You have made the sad mistake of thinking 'absolute' means irreversible. Just because guilt can be reinstated doesn't mean a person was not absolutely free of guilt up until his guilt was reinstated.

 

[marks]

You have made the sad mistake of thinking 'absolute' means irreversible. Just because guilt can be reinstated doesn't mean a person was not absolutely free of guilt up until his guilt was reinstated.

Words games.

Justified is made innocent. And that is never undone in the child of God. Never.

Evidenced by passages such as,

Colossians 3:1-4 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

2 Corinthians 5:1 KJV
1) For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

These and more . . .

Much love!