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The NT writers made reference to the OT scriptures in testimony to and bear witness of what they were preaching about, concerning Jesus Christ and the truths they are about to reveal to them.
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R3085
I agree with @Behold that "walking in the Spirit" is not anything to do with trying to be a good Christian.
It is simply being the child of God that the Christian is.
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R3086
Explain how that passage have to do with the election of God of people for salvation from eternal punishment and unto eternal life, that God elects those who have faith in Him. For that is our issue in case you forgot.
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R3087
Hebrews uses parallelism...putting two things side by side contrasting And Comparing
I was merely showing a form of "election"
Sorry lost the context
I know you agree....lol
But I agree with this passage
2 cor 5;21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Another thing is you dont try to do both...one happens because [in alignment] of the other...and they definitely have a relationship..because we fullfill the Law through obedience.
"Behold, post: 1010346, member: 8641"]You are saying that trying to be good, is "walking in the Spirit"?
Cor...No that is what you changed around and said I meant.....by saying "trying"
The scripture says it...
Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Why?
2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
That your self effort to not sin again, is "walking in the Spirit"?
No that is you twisting ....my words through your set of beliefs.
Perhaps you believe that using a "prayer language" is "walking in the Spirit"?
I guess that proves my above by the use of your word "perhaps". It shows the twisting of my words because you can't see how they fit in your belief system.
THAT'S where that mean sarcasm came from....I'll tackle the second part below in a minute
Well, i can assure you that "presenting your body a living sacrifice", and "mortifying your members", and "trying to abide in the vine", is not how you "walk in the Spirit".
I am not sure at all after you twisting my words that you can assure anything....thank God.....for Jesus...I'll refer to this comment later
And once you understand that "walking in the Spirit" is not anything to do with trying to be a good Christian......you'll have taken your first step toward understanding how the Grace of God is the only provision for "walking in the Spirit"
I'll let God be God
And also refer to this later
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Cor...No that is what you changed around and said I meant.....by saying "trying"
The scripture says it...
Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Why?
2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
That your self effort to not sin again, is "walking in the Spirit"?
No that is you twisting ....my words through your set of beliefs.
Perhaps you believe that using a "prayer language" is "walking in the Spirit"?
I guess that proves my above by the use of your word "perhaps". It shows the twisting of my words because you can't see how they fit in your belief system.
THAT'S where that mean sarcasm came from....I'll tackle the second part below in a minute
Well, i can assure you that "presenting your body a living sacrifice", and "mortifying your members", and "trying to abide in the vine", is not how you "walk in the Spirit".
I am not sure at all after you twisting my words that you can assure anything....thank God.....for Jesus...I'll refer to this comment later
And once you understand that "walking in the Spirit" is not anything to do with trying to be a good Christian......you'll have taken your first step toward understanding how the Grace of God is the only provision for "walking in the Spirit"
I'll let God be God
And also refer to this later
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GracePeace
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Sounds good : I'll leave it up to the readers to decide which message brought truth from Scripture.
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GracePeace
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It's simple : the people who hold to traditions of men detest God's Word. They know they're in error but they hate the truth and won't confess it because they think if they don't admit they're wrong they can still try to convince others that they are (worthy of praise) "correct".
Some of them just say "I know I know God, so I can't be wrong," not realizing God doesn't wait for someone to have perfect theology to be with them (so His being with them isn't an affirmation of everything they believe).
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Perhaps. In such, is it the OT that sheds light about Jesus Christ or is it Jesus Christ that sheds light to the OT?
Tong
R3095
2 Peter 1 is no help to OSAS, but actually refutes it.
Peter wrote that we have to make our calling and election sure, by choosing to add to our faith the things he lists, so that IF we do that, we bear fruit, and then will never fall.
That’s a conditional statement and it dovetails perfectly with Jesus’ warning that He is the vine, we are the branches, and any branch that doesn’t bear fruit, is cut off the vine as a dead branch, and burned.
You also only partially quoted the passage by Jesus, wherein He lists reasons why some don’t believe at all when they hear the word, but others believe, but only for a while, and then fall away.
And Paul said he has to subjugate his body - his flesh - and control himself daily, lest after preaching salvation to others, he himself end up a reprobate, then warns believers to examine themselves to see whether they are in the faith, or are reprobates.
Then Jesus warned the church at Sardis that the church has become dead, because most of them had defiled their white robes, which scripture says are the righteousness of saints, and tells them to repent, and become overcomes, so He won’t blot their names out of the book of life.
That’s only a small start of refuting OSAS.
Not true at all.
Jesus taught that some believe only for a while, then fall away.
Jesus warned those in the church at Sardis that they were a dead church, and that most of them had defiled their white robes, which scripture says are the righteousness of saints, told them to repent, and become overcomers, so He won’t blot their names out of the book of life.
The father said of His son when he came back in repentance: this is my son WHO WAS DEAD but now is alive AGAIN.
While the prodigal was living in sin in the world, he was dead in his sins. Ephesians 2:1.
He obviously didn’t die physically and resurrect - he died spiritually in his sins.
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GracePeace
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Yep, and we know that the ones whom God blots out of His book are the ones who sin against Him Exodus 32:32-33--clearly, this is what is in view with the phrase "defiled their garments", for which reason they are "unworthy", they will be "blotted out of the Book of Life" and will be "denied before My Father and His angels". "If we deny Him He will deny us"--and "they claim to know God but in their works they deny Him", so we actually confess or else deny Christ not only with our mouths but also in our works, as it says "let us love not in words but in deed and in truth" 1 John 3:18. This is why it says "let your light so shine that men may see your WORKS and glorify your father in heaven".
Scripture clearly shows that continuing to remain in Christ is conditional on us 1) continuing to walk in the light, as He is in the light, and 2) continuing to walk after the spirit, instead of after the flesh.
In the two verses below, I put in parentheses the conditional part of these scriptures that are always left out by hyper-grace, OSAS teachers.
1Jn 1:7 But (IF we walk in the light, as he is in the light), we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
The blood of Jesus cleansing the believer is conditional on their choosing to continue to walk in the light, as He is in the light.
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Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, (who walk NOT AFTER THE FLESH, , but after the Spirit).
Having no condemnation, and remaining in Christ, is conditional upon continuing to walk after the Spirit, and not after the flesh.
And Paul warns us against being deceived about living in sin as a believer, when he wrote:
Gal 6:7 Be Not DECEIVED ; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man SOWETH,that shall he also REAP.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; BUT he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting
You reap everlasting life only if you sow to the spirit (walk after the Spirit, Romans 8:1) , but reap spiritual death if you sow to your flesh.
When we do occasionally sin, we must confess it, for God to forgive it. 1 John 1:9.
Because the Beginning and the end...
Are set....we are in the middle....
Like as in the middle of a story...
So if you want to be finish as the End already is.
You must stay in the race...[stay on the path]
I'm thinking its basically growing up in Christ
What may that look like if you go off the path...when the course is set?
Maybe existing but never living?
It's already finished for us...
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