Once Saved Always Saved

[Corlove13]

Yes continues believe....but you do not do it on your own

For those God loves He chastizes.

That's right. We can only believe in God because he has given us the faith, the evidence, that the gospel is true. And even in our believing God is a comforter and an encourager to keep us strong and enduring in our believing, so that we remain in the promises.

Faith that is in Christ

 

[Corlove13]

So your take is that the law = 10 commandments. Thanks for the clarification.

Do you believe that the law is not of faith?

Tong
R3116

As to the source of salvation, but not the outcome

 

[Corlove13]

We have to take those passages, keeping in mind the truth of what Scriptures said God had predestined. For what God had predestined, will certainly and definitely happen.

Tong
R3113

He predestined those in Christ....
So remain in Him

 

[Corlove13]

If you will allow me.....

Every single one of them. ALL the righteous requirements of the law get upheld, not cast down, by faith in Christ. Some are upheld and satisfied by Christ's work on the cross, applied by God to our account through our faith. Others are upheld by us when we walk, by faith, in obedience to the leading of the Holy Spirit.

Can I asked ...is that walk by "the faith"

 

[Ferris Bueller]

He predestined those in Christ....
So remain in Him

Very good! I was going to address this with him.

Osas was born out of what predestination means. IMO, it is the misunderstanding of predestination that gave the foundation to the Osas argument in the church.

 

[Corlove13]

You don't need to born again again when you sin. You just need to be cleansed of the sin you've committed. Your walk needs to be cleaned—you know, your feet, not your whole being as it was when you were born again and your whole body cleansed when you first believed.

“Those who have had a bath need only to wash their feet; their whole body is clean." John 13:10

...since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God. 2 Corinthians 7:1

So as I've heard/read -may the whole body soul and Spirit be preserved.

So right now it's about the Soul...keeping the soul through obeying the word....which is life

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Can I asked ...is that walk by "the faith"

I'll have to think about the implication of what you're saying here before I can answer.

 

[Corlove13]

Yes.

I'm not sure of this but I'll keep an open mind

 

[Corlove13]

I'll have to think about the implication of what you're saying here before I can answer.

Read your statement before...I was not sure if you repeated the same answer but in diff sentences

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
What are the righteous requirements of the law that you refer to?

If you will allow me.....

Every single one of them. ALL the righteous requirements of the law get upheld, not cast down, by faith in Christ. Some are upheld and satisfied by Christ's work on the cross, applied by God to our account through our faith. Others are upheld by us when we walk, by faith, in obedience to the leading of the Holy Spirit.

What are the every single one of them?

Tong
R3118

 

[marks]

1Jn 1:7 But (IF we walk in the light, as he is in the light), we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

I believe this refers to being saved, and that this distinction can be seen in the passage.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, (who walk NOT AFTER THE FLESH, , but after the Spirit).

I believe this is descriptive, which can be shown from the subsequent verses.

Gal 6:7 Be Not DECEIVED ; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man SOWETH,that shall he also REAP.


Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; BUT he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting

There is a lot to this topic, obviously, on a thread with 1000's of replies.

I believe all Scriptures harmonize, and should be understood as they are written. I find that not all Scriptures are completely explicit, that is, there are passages which can be looked at in more than one way. I find other passages that make plain, explicit statements.

I interpret Scripture using the plain to show which meaning we should use of the others.

A couple of plainly stated Scriptures I find are these two:

Colossians 3:1-4 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

To those who are the children of God, to those who have been raised with Christ, of these it is written,

You Shall appear with Him in glory, and, We know that when He shall appear, we shall be like Him.

These are inclusive and certain.

How does this affect your understanding?

Much love!

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
Assuming that’s possible.

Don't be any of the first three kinds of soil in the Parable of the Sower in which the word gets sown and you'll be one that endures to the very end. I think one can safely sum up the Christian life as the striving to become the last kind of soil Jesus speaks of in that Parable. Not all Christians are there. In fact, few are.

The parable is not about getting oneself saved.

Tong
R3119

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The parable is not about getting oneself saved.

Tong
R3119

I thought you would have gleaned that from what I said.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

What are the every single one of them?

Tong
R3118

The righteous requirements of the law.

You don't think Christ came to destroy them, do you? All the righteous requirements of the law have to satisfied for a saved person.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
So your take is that the law = 10 commandments. Thanks for the clarification.

Do you believe that the law is not of faith?

As to the source of salvation, but not the outcome

As to the source of salvation?

Tong
R3120

 

[Corlove13]

The righteous requirements of the law.

You don't think Christ came to destroy them, do you? All the righteous requirements of the law have to satisfied for a saved person.

For those God loves He chastizes.

Faith that is in Christ

1 T1:14And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
@Ferris Bueller
WOULD you explain that passage?

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
We have to take those passages, keeping in mind the truth of what Scriptures said God had predestined. For what God had predestined, will certainly and definitely happen.

He predestined those in Christ....
So remain in Him

That does not take away the point that what God had predestined will certainly and definitely happen.

Let me ask, do you consider yourself to being in Christ? If yes, do you consider yourself predestined?

Let me ask, would you say you are being conformed to the image of Jesus Christ?

Tong
3121

 

[Corlove13]

As to the source of salvation?

Tong
R3120

Yes....while the Promise to Abraham was I'm guessing 400 years before the Law. GOD CHOSE A PEOPLE AND MADE A COVENANT WITH THEM.....
AND WHAT DID THEY FIND?

3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin.c He thus condemned sin in the flesh, 4so that the righteous standard of the law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Therefore the law was no longer the source of salvation[rightness] but it is the path or course of righness. [Nor was it ever intended to be in my view]

Because Jesus became the source of Salvation..

 

[Tong2020]

I thought you would have gleaned that from what I said.

What do you say was the parable about?

Tong
R3122

 

[Corlove13]

That does not take away the point that what God had predestined will certainly and definitely happen.

Let me ask, do you consider yourself to being in Christ? If yes, do you consider yourself predestined?

Let me ask, would you say you are being conformed to the image of Jesus Christ?

Tong
3121

For one in Christ who walks "s" after the Spirit