Once Saved Always Saved

[Ferris Bueller]

So you believe justification before God can only happen once?

Yes.

 

[Corlove13]

It’s not a WHAT but a WHO. God makes one His child.


Righteousness of faith. Faith in Him is that which pleases God.

But to be more complete and accurate, the standard is Jesus Christ.

Tong
R3108

The question of What....is What...
For your answer to the what can be a who.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Here is a passage...dont quote me
The will of the father is that everyone that looks to the son and Believes will have life and be raised on the last Day...

Yes, everyone who believes will have life and be raised on the last day. That's why we are exhorted to keep believing. If you stop believing (assuming that's possible) you are no longer among the 'everyone who believes' to which the promise applies. That's why we're told to keep believing.

 

[Tong2020]

Therefore you can look at it to get understanding about the New Cov. AS THE WRITERS ARE ALWAYS REFERENCING

Yes we can now look at the Law in the light of that, as a school master.

Tong
R3112

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Explain

You don't need to born again again when you sin. You just need to be cleansed of the sin you've committed. Your walk needs to be cleaned—you know, your feet, not your whole being as it was when you were born again and your whole body cleansed when you first believed.

“Those who have had a bath need only to wash their feet; their whole body is clean." John 13:10

...since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God. 2 Corinthians 7:1

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
Let’s consider these truths concerning the children of God, who now stand in the grace of God, saved by grace.

1. They have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them.
2. They are not their own as they were bought at a price. They are Christ’s. They are God’s.
3. They were predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ.
4. They shall not be separated from the love of Christ.
5. They were predestined to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to God.
6. They have in Christ obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of God.

If one considers all those, how could one deny the assurance of their salvation, those who now stand in the grace of God, saved by grace? The above truths only shows that those who arrive at a conclusion that their salvation could be lost, are mistaken and errs in their understanding of certain passages.

One is either In Christ choosing to walk after the Spirit. Or .....what happens if a righteous person turns from His ways?

Ezekiel 18
26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

1 Cor 10:12
Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

We have to take those passages, keeping in mind the truth of what Scriptures said God had predestined. For what God had predestined, will certainly and definitely happen.

Tong
R3113

 

[Tong2020]

CHRIST JESUS IS THE END OF OUR FAITH BECAUSE HE FULFILLED THE LAW.

AND HE IS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD.
HOWEVER WE ARE TO BE THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD IN CHRIST...
THEREFORE FULLFILL THE LAW...

THEREFORE MEETING THE RIGHTEOUS REQUIREMENT[STANDARD] OF THE LAW.

Points of clarifications:

What law?

What are the righteous requirements of the law that you refer to?

Also, what do you say is one’s meeting the righteous requirements of the law you refer to, for?

Tong
R3114

 

[Corlove13]

His promise includes, 'if you forsake Him, He will forsake you'. Osas is just the argument over whether or not a true Christian for forsake Him. A curious question, but one that does not remove the necessity to continue to believe and trust in Him, just as the Bible tells us to do.

Yes, everyone who believes will have life and be raised on the last day. That's why we are exhorted to keep believing. If you stop believing (assuming that's possible) you are no longer among the 'everyone who believes' to which the promise applies. That's why we're told to keep believing.

But we are not among those who shrink back and thus perish, but are among those who have faith and preserve their souls. Hebrew 10 net version

Maybe meaning to lay hold of one's life
Through faith[who trust]

 

[Tong2020]

Yes, everyone who believes will have life and be raised on the last day. That's why we are exhorted to keep believing. If you stop believing (assuming that's possible) you are no longer among the 'everyone who believes' to which the promise applies. That's why we're told to keep believing.

<<<If you stop believing (assuming that's possible) you are no longer among the 'everyone who believes' to which the promise applies. >>>

What’s in the parenthesis makes the difference.

Tong
R3115

 

[Corlove13]

His promise includes, 'if you forsake Him, He will forsake you'. Osas is just the argument over whether or not a true Christian can forsake Him. A curious question, but one that does not remove the necessity to continue to believe and trust in Him, just as the Bible tells us to do.

Well one may look at it this way:
Say you are born from above with New Life[as you say justified and regenerated]
One still has to maintain their status by walking by the Spirit........stop walking by the spirit and there is no life [reward]...
It is not Jesus that hides...its the life that is in Him that is hidden.

 

[Corlove13]

Points of clarifications:

What law?

What are the righteous requirements of the law that you refer to?

Also, what do you say is one’s meeting the righteous requirements of the law you refer to, for?

Tong
R3114

10 commandments, walking by the Spirit

 

[Corlove13]

Yes, everyone who believes will have life and be raised on the last day. That's why we are exhorted to keep believing. If you stop believing (assuming that's possible) you are no longer among the 'everyone who believes' to which the promise applies. That's why we're told to keep believing.

Yes continues believe....but you do not do it on your own

 

[Ferris Bueller]

<<<If you stop believing (assuming that's possible) you are no longer among the 'everyone who believes' to which the promise applies. >>>

What’s in the parenthesis makes the difference.

Tong
R3115

That's right. And we would do well to strive to be one in whom the Word of God does not get uprooted.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Yes continues believe....but you do not do it on your own

That's right. We can only believe in God because he has given us the faith, the evidence, that the gospel is true. And even in our believing God is a comforter and an encourager to keep us strong and enduring in our believing, so that we remain in the promises.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Say you are born from above with New Life[as you say justified and regenerated]
One still has to maintain their status by walking by the Spirit........stop walking by the spirit and there is no life [reward]...

Yes, because, ultimately, purposely choosing to not walk in/by the Spirit is a decision to go back to unbelief and one's old life of sin. And God says he will forsake the one who forsakes him. But the one who continues to believe, no matter how difficult and defeated his struggle with sin is, remains safely in the protection of God as one of his own. No one can touch him.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
Points of clarifications:

What law?

What are the righteous requirements of the law that you refer to?

Also, what do you say is one’s meeting the righteous requirements of the law you refer to, for?

10 commandments, walking by the Spirit

So your take is that the law = 10 commandments. Thanks for the clarification.

Do you believe that the law is not of faith?

Tong
R3116

 

[Ferris Bueller]

What are the righteous requirements of the law that you refer to?

If you will allow me.....

Every single one of them. ALL the righteous requirements of the law get upheld, not cast down, by faith in Christ. Some are upheld and satisfied by Christ's work on the cross, applied by God to our account through our faith. Others are upheld by us when we walk, by faith, in obedience to the leading of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
<<<If you stop believing (assuming that's possible) you are no longer among the 'everyone who believes' to which the promise applies. >>>

What’s in the parenthesis makes the difference.

That's right. And we would do well to strive to be one in whom the Word of God does not get uprooted.

Assuming that’s possible.

Tong
R3117

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Do you believe that the law is not of faith?

If you'll allow me, again, lol.....

The law is not of faith when the way of the law is your attempt to become a righteous person in the eyes of God.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Assuming that’s possible.

Tong
R3117

Don't be any of the first three kinds of soil in the Parable of the Sower in which the word gets sown and you'll be one that endures to the very end. I think one can safely sum up the Christian life as the striving to become the last kind of soil Jesus speaks of in that Parable. Not all Christians are there. In fact, few are.