Once Saved Always Saved

[BloodBought 1953]

That's it!

I went through 1 John 3 and 4 looking for it, stopped at 1 John 4:21 and thought, that's not it, but it's close, and didn't think it was in chapter 5. But there it is! I should have kept going. I was just a couple of verses away.

For this is the love of God: to keep his commands...​

Two Commands—- #1 Believe #2 Love

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
To suppose that one can turn from God is in fact blindness and foolishness, if not selfishness or the fallen human nature. One who truly have knowledge of the amazing grace of God, devoid of selfishness, and filled with the love of God together with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, will not ever want nor imagine, to be separated from Christ. Those who still welcome the thought of rejecting Christ in disbelief only shows that they have not truly believed when they believed. Such is a sign of no true conversion in the heart, as was in the case of Paul.

No confusion here. There is no initiation. There is only true conversion.


Not really. You can tell us in brief here.

Enough is enough of the doctrines of demons. Repent of this evil belief.

What do you say is doctrine of demons there?

That the true believer and true disciple is one who abides and continues in Christ is biblical doctrine taught by scriptures. If one does not abide in Christ and His words, that only shows he was not a true believer nor a true disciple.

Tong
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[Osiris]

The unrivaled intellectual destitution of the "Black Hebrew Israelite" : "The true Jews were BLACK! YOU ARE AN EDOMITE YOU WHITE DEVIL!"

Hey, have you ever considered (no, of course you haven't) that Esau was Jacob's TWIN BROTHER? So, wouldn't he also have been BLACK!? LOL! Dumbest cult in the history of mankind. Blind wannabe Jew. Steal someone else's identity--or maybe just accept your own (?)--this is not really working out for you.

And, again, go make your own thread--you're off-topic here.
Go embarrass yourself somewhere else.

It’s bigoted to call me a Black Hebrew Israelite when I haven’t identified as such. Did God say unto her there are two nations in thy womb. Genesis 25:23
I just implore you all to dig deeper into studying the biblical scripts as they are written. I have yet to spew rhetoric that cannot be substantiated with scripture.

 

[Grailhunter]

What do you say is doctrine of demons there?

That the true believer and true disciple is one who abides and continues in Christ is biblical doctrine taught by scriptures. If one does not abide in Christ and His words, that only shows he was not a true believer nor a true disciple.

Tong
R3224

Repent! Repent of your evil beliefs.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The-last time you bought a shirt did you also buy one for your “ neighbor?” .....I thought not.....that is because you love yourself more than you do your neighbor....best repent of that before you die lest you be damned....

Then again, you could admit that you come nowhere CLOSE to living out the demands of God and go with Grace to cover what is impossible for you to do......stop pretending you love others as much as you do yourself.....you don’t “ Love God with ALL of your heart, ALL of your mind , and ALL of your Soul” either .....you had better find a “loophole” to all of this or you might find yourself in trouble...

For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure... 2 Peter 1:8

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The-last time you bought a shirt did you also buy one for your “ neighbor?” .....I thought not.....that is because you love yourself more than you do your neighbor....best repent of that before you die lest you be damned....

I think you forgot who you're addressing, lol.

 

[Osiris]

You're off-topic. LOL

I will have the last laugh with Christ don’t worry your head. Take head to the prophecies salvation is for Israel.. we will be the light to you nations no worries. We will take back the world from the hands of the wicked.

 

[GracePeace]

I will have the last laugh with Christ don’t worry your head. Take head to the prophecies salvation is for Israel.. we will be the light to you nations no worries. We will take back the world from the hands of the wicked.

You say you keep the Law right?

Deuteronomy 23:7
“You shall not abhor an Edomite, for he is your brother. You shall not abhor an Egyptian, because you were a sojourner in his land."

Make a new thread so you can take instruction and correction over there.

 

[Osiris]

You say you keep the Law right?

Deuteronomy 23:7
“You shall not abhor an Edomite, for he is your brother. You shall not abhor an Egyptian, because you were a sojourner in his land."

Make a new thread so you can take instruction and correction over there.

. But you don’t wanna be off topic.

Joel 3:19
Obadiah 1:18 Esau will be a stubble
And I never said I hate Esau but God the almighty did
Rom 9:13 - As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

 

[Osiris]

Osiris,

Make a new thread. You're off-topic here.

You keep saying that yet you keep addressing me , hop off and repent that’s all. Israel was chosen before the foundation of the world.

 

[Tong2020]

Yes, it does mean they are converted.....

For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved. Romans 10:10​

Why would the writer of Hebrews 4:14 be telling them to hold firmly to something they don't really have? ↓↓↓

Therefore, since we have a great high priest...let us hold firmly to what we profess. Hebrews 4:14​

The verse itself is clear. Not necessarily that they really have it. The writer refers to that which they profess.

Tong
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[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
Second truth, we were created for good works. That sure tells us why the (true) Christians do good works. And that sure makes us understand what good works are. That they aren’t what saves, but are what the saved were created anew to do.

I think it is now very clear. Salvation is not through works.

You're preaching to the choir here, friend. ♪ ♫ ♪

Not so sure about that.

Tong
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[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
All.

<<<Jesus is not a rapist, forcing himself on others against their will.>>>

Didn’t say he is. So why do you bring that issue up?

<<<People have to act, to voluntarily go to him, not just once and done but in an ongoing basis. >>>

How do you suppose a dead man can do that? The unregenerate is in a state of death, rendered dead to the things pertaining to God and the things of the Spirit of God.

Circular Reasoning. People turn to God and then are sealed with the Holy Spirit.

Given your theology is the other way around, that people have God in them & selected them from the start, what purpose does the Great Commission serve?

As as I asked “How do you suppose a dead man can do that?“. Knowing the answer to that will help shed light.

<<<what purpose does the Great Commission serve?>>>

It’s so that the lost sheep who are scattered will hear the gospel of the Shepherd.

Tong
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[Corlove13]

"Taken, post: 1017233, member: 7756"]Foundation of Salvation is Believing and Confessing belief.
Corlove13
No, the Foundation is Jesus Christ
1 Cor 3;11
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.



A man who IS converted Has the Spirit of God With and IN them. Is there something else "you need" ?
To live by it



Justification and Sanctification is the Lords works IN a man.

Sanctification: Living in a relationship to the Master that brings and sustains right thoughts, feelings, choices, and habits, enabling one to do what is right religiously, morally, and prudentially, and to do this out of who one has become rather than from external obedience (Willard)

Being a disciple is a mans works.
A disciple learns from Jesus how to live

Matthew 28:19

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.



Men did the carrying on of teaching a man HOW to accept the Lords Offering of Salvation.
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world... John 1:9

I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.




A man may say the words, but the Lord Himself does the Baptizing with His Spirit.


11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

 

[Corlove13]

So when you say, "in the kingdom", you are talking about tares? The false ones? How does this relate to what @Behold was saying? I don't follow your distinction.

Colossians 1:13 KJV
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Much love!

Being in and of......
In reference to
Kingdom of heaven and kingdom of God
Is that really referencing those who do His will
And those who do not....

Since all that offends is taken out of His kingdom.
The kingdom of heaven......could as well be the kingdom from the heavens....seeing where God spoke from..

 

[Corlove13]

My “ Doctrine “ is “ Nothing But The Blood”.....Nothing. I hope you do not have a problem with that...

Exactly " your doctrine "
But what is the will of God?

That everyone who looks to the son and believes will have life and be raised on the last day.

First one must be born from above
Can't count the eggs until they are hatched
That is why you only see Justification...
But Justification is not the same as regeneration......

One must first be born again

If you start with Justification you are also viewing it as [salvation]

But here are 2 scriptures that show the flow

Gal 2:16
Eph 1:13

So before anything else one has to Believe in Jesus....He was the one told of before hand.

He asked Peter who He was.....and Peter said the Son of the Living God...

Flesh and blood did not reveal that to Him ...but Jesus's father.
And He told Peter upon this Rock I shall build my church and the gates of hell shall not
Prevail against it .

SO AGAIN THE FOUNDATION IS JESUS

NOT SOMETHING HE DID TO SECURE YOU
SO YOU CAN HAVE HEAVEN WHEN YOU DIE.....even that is part of it.

Therefore...look Eph 1;13 in who the good news is.......and you will see how you are teaching what is in Him before teaching people to trust Him as King, creator, Son of God, Lord of all Lords..........

Jesus preached the Gospel of the Kingdom
that it's available now to anyone who puts their trust in Him.

Think about what happens in a kingdom
You can go to the king and He can grant you forgiveness.





you said your doctrine was about blood
Here is an analogy.....

No one wants to be used just for what they can give you..(substitute blood in that equation]
It's about having establishing a relationship that will then be ungoing....

What wife wants to be touched....Without being related to in a special way?

 

[Corlove13]

Not so sure about that.

Tong
R3226

Why?

 

[Taken]

AMEN! Great Post! But I humbly believe This Should Be, Under The Current
GRACE Dispensation, Today, This ONE Baptism (Ephesians 4 : 5 KJB!
{Also ENDS ALL "water CONFUSION!" [Previous post 5175 ...]}:

"For BY ONE Spirit Are we all Baptized Into ONE Body, whether
we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free;And have all
been Made to drink Into ONE Spirit!" (1 Corinthians 12 : 13 KJB!)
{faith = "HeartFULLY Confessed Belief!!")

Not to Confused with, But Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2 : 15 KJB!) From,
The Previous Dispensation's "Baptism WITH The Spirit FOR power, miracles,
signs, and wonders! {sight!}", Right?

Thus, THIS would then Equate to: "...we LIVE by FAITH, NOT by sight!..."
(2 Corinthians 5 : 7 KJB!) Thus Eliminating ALL "legalistic JUDGERS" of Everyone
Elses salvation! Amen? =============== "SHOW ME your works" Correct?

Eternal THANKS Be To God, HE ALONE "Knows" my heart! Be Blessed!

Agree.
Water Baptism, is for men to SEE "something".
Good Post!

As far as Salvation Given and Received ONCE and permanently;
Men have their opportunity, to Hear, Learn, Follow, Experience the benefits (taste) of Gods Knowledge and Blessings, Elect to Trust the Knowledge, Enjoy the Blessings, Believe it is Good Will from God, (or just dumb Luck), and instead Listen to and be Tempted by Evil Spirts and Wicked Schemes of men who Entice with false promises of deceptive gains.

The whole POINT of the "COMMANDMENTS", IS for the "ignorant and lawless". "Commandments" are not "suggestions".
"Commandments" Are Dictatorial "requirements" to Achieve A GOAL.

The "GOAL" of God, "IS" "PREPARATION".
The "Preparation" IS geared precisely TOWARD (and FOR), Gods created "mankind".
The "Preparation" Begins with what IS "familiar" to mankind...which IS "mankind".
- Mankind can hear, see, touch, feel, smell...
Mankind.
- Mankind can NOT, hear, see, touch, feel, smell God.

"Lying, Cheating, Stealing, Divorce" etc. IS Specifically, opportunity, for mankind to "practice" behaviors and relationships AMONG and BETWEEN MEN....
** "IN PREPARATION" for a Relationship "WITH God", (whom a naturally born man neither KNOWS, can hear, see, touch, feel, smell.

The "practicing"... of relationships of men among and between men;
Reveals to the individual, "positive results" and "negative results".
Men "CAN" lie, cheat, steal, divorce...and "when caught"...that individual suffers the burden of the "consequences".

The "HIGHLIGHT IS";
* LEARNING from and MATURING to KNOW "HOW TO" AVOID "mistakes and errors" of the "positive and negative" results of behaviors among and between men...
IS WISDOM.

* LEARNING...THERE IS: NO...NONE...ZIP...NADA...TOLERANCE, OF:
Having A "RELATIONSHIP" WITH GOD, that has one tiddle OF:
~Lying to God,
~Cheating God,
~Stealing from God,
~Divorcing God

* WISDOM IS KNOWING...
ANY man WHO is "thinking" about MAKING a COMMITMENT of a "having a relationship" "WITH GOD"; absolute assuredness IS required...
THERE IS NO TOLERANCE... of BACKING OUT. THERE IS NO TOLERANCE...for TRICKING God. (Maybe, sort of, kind of, commitment).

A commitment to God...IS ONCE, IS ABSOLUTE TRUTH, IS FOREVER.

* Obeying Gods "commands"... IS to OBEY, His Requirements that RESULT IN...
HAVING an ONCE Established EVERLASTING Relationship WITH HIM.

All the "preparation" OF a man...
Practicing relationship among and between men. Making mistakes, experiencing the result, Correcting mistakes, experiencing the result, Hearing, Learning, About God, Following Gods Word, Exeriencing results, ARE: ALL for the BIG PICTURE...

And HELLO...
RECEIVING Gods "promises",
RECEIVING Gods "forgiveness",
RECEIVING Gods "gift of "Faith-FULLNESS",
RECEIVING Gods "gift of SALVATION"...
RECEIVING Gods "Baptism OF HIS Holy Spirit, "WITH and IN" a man...
IS Precisely ONCE and FOREVER

Men preaching AGAINST;
Men rejecting Gods Word;
Men twisting that WHICH WHAT GOD "DOES" "IN" a man....IS REQUIRED TO BE "KEPT" (intact) by the power of the man...
IS utter Nonsense.

God Himself, Does the Changing...IN A MAN;
God Himself, Does the KEEPING and SECURING of that Change He MAKES IN A MAN.

Men receive the Lords Gift of Salvation...
ONCE and FOREVER.

Greater is He who is IN you, than he who is IN the World. Amen!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Why would the writer of Hebrews 4:14 be telling them to hold firmly to something they don't really have? ↓↓↓

Therefore, since we have a great high priest...let us hold firmly to what we profess. Hebrews 4:14

The verse itself is clear. Not necessarily that they really have it. The writer refers to that which they profess.

So they are being told to hold fast to a hope they don't really have?

Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess... Hebrews 10:23

...let us hold firmly to what we profess. Hebrews 4:14​

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Not so sure about that.

Tong
R3226

Justification is completely and totally by faith in God, completely and totally separate from works. No works needed for justification. What you're not getting is the faith that justifies apart from works is the faith that expresses itself through love (Galatians 5:6). In other words, the faith that justifies all by itself obeys God's commands summed up in 'love your neighbor as yourself'. So, after being justified by faith, if your faith is not being expressed in the obedience to love others in increasing measure you don't have the justification by faith apart from works that you think you have. You have dead faith (faith that doesn't work). The faith that James says can not save you.

That's how and why salvation can never be separated from works the way the church insists it can be, and some even insist must be. The problem is the church can not understand how all this can be true and that not be a works gospel. And so they reject it out of hand. And so back to the false comfort of their dead 'Osas' faith they go.