Once Saved Always Saved

[MatthewG]

Yall guys wont never lose faith, that is true considering you talk about being saved every day.

That is a handy strategy really haha. :) Take care God bless.

 

[Taken]

"Taken, post: 1017233, member: 7756"]Foundation of Salvation is Believing and Confessing belief.
Corlove13
No, the Foundation is Jesus Christ
1 Cor 3;11
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Already said...Jesus Christ IS Salvation.
Man is not "Jesus Christ".
So...regarding man..."believing and confession belief"...IS on man.

A man who IS converted Has the Spirit of God With and IN them. Is there something else "you need" ?

To live by it

HOW? A mans Strength, A mans will power, A mans courage, A man trying really hard, A man doing something else?

Justification and Sanctification is the Lords works IN a man.

Sanctification

: Living in a relationship to the Master that brings and sustains right thoughts, feelings, choices, and habits, enabling one to do what is right religiously, morally, and prudentially, and to do this out of who one has become rather than from external obedience (Willard)

Aware WHAT Sanctification is.
It is not the acts of men.
It IS the act of God, "setting a man APART unto Himself", from men that are NOT with or In God", or God with or in a man.

Being a disciple is a mans works.

A disciple learns from Jesus how to live

A man Learning IS a mans doing works.

Matthew 28:19

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

You appear to think, Repeating in your words, and Scripture what I already said, is you convincing me to believe what I already stated I believe. Odd.

 

[Corlove13]

Be Holy

 

[Corlove13]

Taken:
A man who IS converted Has the Spirit of God With and IN them. Is there something else "you need" ?
Corlove13
To live by it


HOW? A mans Strength, A mans will power, A mans courage, A man trying really hard, A man doing something else?

It seems you are, as one has written, parylized by your meaning of grace.

As has been said before and by others: grace is not opposed to effort but to earning.

I love how Dallas, who was a theologian,writer, teacher, Baptist Pastor, disciple and one evidenced with fruit, defines Grace

GRACE

"God acting in our life to bring about, and enables us to do, what we cannot do on our own"
@Taken

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
Do you take faith as grace or what? I think this is very much relevant.

No. I already defined it
Faith = Belief + Action

Romans 5:2 explains that faith establishes grace. I think this is very much relevant. Belief is valueless apart from action. Belief is lip service.

Thank you. I think that was an honest answer, that you don’t take faith as grace but as your believing + action. And I think that explains a lot why you have such view of salvation.

Tong
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[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
He told them “if ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed”.

.....and if you don't continue in my word you're not my disciple.

That’s right. If one does not continue, it means that what faith they said they have isn’t the kind of faith that Jesus is talking about, faith that comes from God that is abiding and that endures to the end.

Tong
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[Ferris Bueller]

That’s right. If one does not continue, it means that what faith they said they have isn’t the kind of faith that Jesus is talking about, faith that comes from God that is abiding and that endures to the end.

Tong
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You're reading it with your Osas bias. All it means is when you live for Jesus you are a disciple of Christ. When you don't live for Jesus you are not a disciple of his. It doesn't mean you will always live for Jesus and be his disciple.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

If one does not continue, it means that what faith they said they have isn’t the kind of faith that Jesus is talking about

At the time they fell away it means that. It doesn't mean they never had that faith.

 

[Tong2020]

If you live in His presence Now then that is your assurance...because you know your sins have been forgiven.

Look nowhere else for assurance. The only assurance there is found in Jesus. If that is not more than enough and we still look to be assured by anything else, then we have a problem.

Tong
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[kcnalp]

You think hell is a fiery place underground with demons and goblins don’t you? hell is a low state , death, capativity. The children of Israel are living in hell under the curses until Christ returns. You need to read the Bible better or better teacher or something idk bruh bruh

You don't believe in the eternal Hell fire that Jesus taught?

 

[Corlove13]

@Tong2020 2020, post: 1017901, member: 8685"]Look nowhere else for assurance. The only assurance there is found in Jesus. If that is not more than enough and we still look to be assured by anything else, then we have a problem.

You can look to Jesus...but it is with the intent to trust.
As it is written;

For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."




@Tong2020

Tong
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[Tong2020]

WRONG! That is where you are dead wrong! Faith is action, work, just not ‘works’ as the Bible means it.

As someone else pointed out, Grace is not opposed to effort, only the earned. You have no response but to repeat yourself.

So in other words you are saying in effect that we are saved by works, is that right? And you are referring to works such as faith, right? That is what one could get out from you.

Tong
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[Tong2020]

Wasn't it obedience To the Command...to repent and believe the Good News, The Gospel...that we receive forgiveness.

And after receiving forgiveness don't we need to obey the command to walk by the Spirit to continue to be forgiven.

Nope. While we ought to walking by and after the Spirit, it is not so to continue to be forgiven. Rather it is because it is who we are, having been created anew by God in Christ Jesus.

Tong
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[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
I answered your question. It’s there in my post, unless you missed it.

Adding to my answer, let me remind you what Jesus said to them, the many referred to in b.22, “I NEVER KNEW YOU”. Is that telling you that some were saved?

"I never knew you" does not prove OSAS. God knows everything. He knew who would backslide. You're twisting Scripture to fit OSAS. To say that NONE of these MANY who clearly believed in Jesus were never saved is total OSAS propaganda and FAR beyond insanity. It's Satanic!

Matthew 7:22 (NKJV)
22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'

I did not say it proves anything except that those in v.22, Jesus will say to them “I NEVER KNEW YOU”. If you can’t see what Jesus was saying there, or does not understand what “NEVER” means, or perhaps what “KNEW” means, is something I think only the Holy Spirit can do something about.

Tong
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[marks]

Yall guys wont never lose faith, that is true considering you talk about being saved every day.

That is a handy strategy really haha. :) Take care God bless.

Like God says, think about His Word, talk about it, write it everywhere, so here we are!

:)

Much love!

 

[Wrangler]

Thank you. I think that was an honest answer, that you don’t take faith as grace but as your believing + action. And I think that explains a lot why you have such view of salvation.

You're welcome. It also happens to be what my congregation teaches.

Anyone can say they believe anything. It is meaningless without action. Action separates real faith from lip service death.

Of course, Jesus is the Savior. However, this is who he is, not what he does (present tense). This is why the Bible says to work out your own salvation, with fear and trembling. While Jesus went to the poor in Spirit in his lifetime, now we have to go to him. Denying our participatory action in the process is not just bad theology, it is a bad grasp of reality.

The Bible constantly requires one's participation in the process. Ask, and you will receive. Knock, and the door will be opened. Even when God delivered the Hebrews from the Egyptian chariots as they were pinned at the Red Sea, the chosen people of God had to walk across themselves.

If you want, I will even look for the verse where Moses asked God what to do. He did not say just wait for me to deliver you. He said walk now, what are you waiting for. This was expanded on in a church service earlier this year.

 

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Being in and of......
In reference to
Kingdom of heaven and kingdom of God
Is that really referencing those who do His will
And those who do not....

Since all that offends is taken out of His kingdom.
The kingdom of heaven......could as well be the kingdom from the heavens....seeing where God spoke from..

Being born again places you in His kingdom. It's not about your behavior. If it were, well, who's good enough?

Much love!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Look nowhere else for assurance. The only assurance there is found in Jesus. If that is not more than enough and we still look to be assured by anything else, then we have a problem.

Tong
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I think you have 'security' and 'assurance' mixed up. 'Security' of salvation is what is found in Jesus, because of the effectiveness and permanence of his ministry (as opposed to the Levitical ministry). The 'assurance' that you are saved comes from the change that Christ's ministry is effecting in you and how you act. Peter says if you have the qualities of the Spirit in increasing measure you gain assurance of your calling and election. That's how you know you have the Holy Spirit in you in salvation.....by how you act. How you act gives you the assurance you really are saved.

 

[MatthewG]

Like God says, think about His Word, talk about it, write it everywhere, so here we are!

:)

Much love!

Amen.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Being born again places you in His kingdom. It's not about your behavior. If it were, well, who's good enough?

Much love!

It is about your behavior to the extent that your behavior shows if you are in the kingdom, or not.