or fornication?
(talking about "sexual things", not 'sex' like intercourse)
(talking about "sexual things", not 'sex' like intercourse)
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is doing sexual things with a boyfriend/girlfriend sin...
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I guess if you touch each other but you have boundaries set then you're ok but I'm not sure, what do you all say? I'm not in a rush with these answers, I'm just asking them by the way
Grailhunter
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LOL Would you believe it is a touchy subject with Christians?
it is a touchy subject but it's all worth asking, I don't like your attitude. April Rose doesn't know the answer so I made this topic as I don't know either
Grailhunter
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I did not give you an attitude. I do not have negative views of sexualality. But you will run into attitudes LOL
Ok if you say so then I will give it a chance that you did not intend to. I think though people shouldn't get touchy with subjects. They should just deal with it head-on and openly discuss topics that are in their mind
Grailhunter
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I totally agree. I was just giving you a heads up. Romantic love is not really addressed in the New Testament, so Christians are left with little to guide them. So they have a tendency to be rather clumsy on the topic...to say it nicely.
If I am in a Sunday school class or a Christian study group in someone's home and the topic of sex or romantic love comes up, I usually get up and get a cup of coffee and stand back and wait for the fur to fly. Usually the person that brought up the topic will be ridiculed and get a lecture that sex is just not that important.
So the safest answer is, don't have sex or anything that would tempt it until after you are married. And if you are not compatible in that way....that is just too bad....cause sex is not that important.
To prevent tar and feathering or burning at the stake....I usually stay out of the conversation.
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Just to be clear, I'm not into sex or sexual things but I don't mind experiencing being the one touched since I've never been in a relationship
Grailhunter
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Me neither....yuck! But I do like thumb wrestling.
Hidden In Him
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Actually, Lord's Pearl, doing things sexually outside marriage is a sin, if you wish to know the truth.
You see, the word for "fornication" in the Greek simply means "sexual immorality," and it has a wider sense than just talking about sexual intercourse. Any sexual relations outside marriage is considered to be sexual immorality.
Wish I could tell you differently, but that's how the Lord sees it.
God bless,
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Hidden In Him
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Most men mind quite a bit, including many Christian men, but that's because they actually have a physical need they are trying to deal with. But you are in a stronger place if it is a teaching you can receive. Holiness doesn't come naturally to the flesh. It will rebel against it with almost unwavering consistency, so it's usually up to Christian women to set the boundaries in a relationship prior to marriage.
@thelord's_pearl Are you the Lord's pearl, or are you your own pearl?
To whom do you belong... even your physical body? Is it yours to do with as you see fit?
"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?" I Cor 6:19
There really needs to be a clear line drawn between what happens outside of marriage and within marriage but who is able correctly to draw it?
About 2 years ago I witnessed something very good but nearly unbelievable in these days in which we live.
A Christian young man who I have known for many years works as a handyman at the apartment complex where I live with my wife. He got married. Nothing new in that but... he and his new young wife had been attending church service together for a number of years and had been engaged for more than a year. By mutual agreement they had never even kissed prior to marriage much less indulged in more intimate things.
They kissed each other for the first time in their lives immediately after they said their final vows and the minister had pronounced them married.
Even in my own youth when things were very much more conservative in such things, I had never seen nor heard of such an actual example of abstinence. For two people who already serving God when they decide to get married would that be such a bad thing? For how many serving God is it a likely thing? Answer these things to and for yourself alone! Not to or for me or any readers of this thread!
"Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge" Heb 13:4
But prior to the marriage? What does God see in your heart? What do you see in your heart?
"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps" Jerem 10:23
Who is our Director when we have truly given our hearts to God? Who should be?
"Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments." Psalm 119:2-6
To whom do you belong... even your physical body? Is it yours to do with as you see fit?
"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?" I Cor 6:19
There really needs to be a clear line drawn between what happens outside of marriage and within marriage but who is able correctly to draw it?
About 2 years ago I witnessed something very good but nearly unbelievable in these days in which we live.
A Christian young man who I have known for many years works as a handyman at the apartment complex where I live with my wife. He got married. Nothing new in that but... he and his new young wife had been attending church service together for a number of years and had been engaged for more than a year. By mutual agreement they had never even kissed prior to marriage much less indulged in more intimate things.
They kissed each other for the first time in their lives immediately after they said their final vows and the minister had pronounced them married.
Even in my own youth when things were very much more conservative in such things, I had never seen nor heard of such an actual example of abstinence. For two people who already serving God when they decide to get married would that be such a bad thing? For how many serving God is it a likely thing? Answer these things to and for yourself alone! Not to or for me or any readers of this thread!
"Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge" Heb 13:4
But prior to the marriage? What does God see in your heart? What do you see in your heart?
"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps" Jerem 10:23
Who is our Director when we have truly given our hearts to God? Who should be?
"Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments." Psalm 119:2-6
lilygrace
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i think people should be careful when touching each other in general. i might be blunt but i mean well and pass no judgment.
i learned by experience. me and a guy friend used to hug but it wasnt a long one.
my "first kiss" by a boyfriend was actually forced then coerced from me (how romantic, huh)
a lot of people dont think thats a big deal but kissing and touching can and will likely lead to more.
i learned by experience. me and a guy friend used to hug but it wasnt a long one.
my "first kiss" by a boyfriend was actually forced then coerced from me (how romantic, huh)
a lot of people dont think thats a big deal but kissing and touching can and will likely lead to more.
"Lay hands suddenly on no man[or woman], neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure." I Tim 5:22
April_Rose
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lilygrace
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i dont think it is either necessarily.
i just think someone should be careful . if they know better i mean.
i would tell my younger self to break up with him but i cant change the past......
April_Rose
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I agree with the fact that one should be careful that it doesn't go too far but I wouldn't call kisses and hugs sins either. French kissing is a little bit iffy,.. but not regular kissing.
Hidden In Him
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Agreed on both counts.
Just understand. For a man, kissing and even hugging can "start the launch sequence" if you will, and lead to things escalating quickly. No matter how innocent a kiss was intended to be, male psyche and anatomy can take it like a column of lights turning green, and it can be tough slowing down 8,000 horsepower worth of machine once he thinks he might have just gotten the signal to put the gas pedal down.
This is especially true of younger men, because many of them have been waiting at that light for what seems like an ETERNITY, LoL.
lilygrace
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do you think my ex gave me a regular kiss? 
he didnt.
i really cant picture a man and woman giving just a peck anymore. it can skip to heavier kissing rather quickly
the other guy friend was respectful though.
he didnt.i really cant picture a man and woman giving just a peck anymore. it can skip to heavier kissing rather quickly
the other guy friend was respectful though.
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