Once Saved Always Saved

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
The important point is, the writer recognizes that in the church, many may well not be true believers...

Where does he do that? Why would he tell fake believers to keep believing?

<<<Where does he do that?>>>

His exhortation goes out to such people, not to true believers. I have already pointed out what Jesus said about true believing.

<<<Why would he tell fake believers to keep believing?>>>

I already addressed that. Why are you repeatedly asking the question that had already been addressed?

Tong
R3279

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
Having faith is not the same with having Jesus.

Totally wrong!

Thanks for telling us your opinion and view on that.

Did you understand what I am saying there?

Tong
R3280

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
Having faith is not the same with having Jesus.

Yes it is. You have Jesus by faith.

You seem to not understand my statement.

Tong
R3281

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
<<<So what do you say is how one knows he has the believing defined in scripture?>>>

He knows when rejecting Jesus Christ is no longer something that he considers still possible with him.

But the Galatians were true believers. Paul said so. They received the Spirit with signs following. So, no wondering about their salvation there. Yet they rejected justification by faith through Christ apart from works and went back to observing the Mosaic Sabbath and Festival cycle for justification.

We are through with your galatian argument there. I will refrain from going in circles with you this time.

Tong
R3282

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You didn't answer the question.

Then why the concern about anti-Osas?

Some make a strong case that those that “ don’t” adhere to OSAS are not Saved.....they maintain that the Gospel says that “ Jesus Died for our Sins” —— Of course , He Did.......If you really Believe that, how could one lose their Salvation.....if Jesus died for ALL of your sins—— what sins could you be damned for? So this shows that in your heart , you don’t really believe what the gospel says, therefore you are lost.....I don’t necessarily buy that , but I could be wrong about my “ take”...... why take a chance?

I have had three close friends die recently of illness....they knew ahead of time that they were dying....I felt absolutely NO NEED to rush to their bedsides and make sure they had the “ correct” view on OSAS......neither did I rush to them to warn them that they would go to Hell if they had any sins in their lives that had not been Repented Of......they were all Believers in Jesus.....that’s all I cared about....it was all that I “ NEEDED” to worry about......

In the end,I think a NON OSAS man does not have the Assurance , nor the peace of mind , nor the Joy That I have.....those things alone are valid reasons to fight against it.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

1 John 4:15
The interesting thing I see from the context...is in the reversal.....meaning one's confession is based on the condition of knowing God.

So it beggs the question of a "anti- OSAR-er
having "WEAK" faith, the faith that saves.

For those the scripture are speaking of they have experienced life. They know God because they relate to Him through faith.

But Now it drops the burden to be proved on your side of the fence....not only for you to answer what your faith is in, but from where your confession stems from.

For You believe God does everything for you after you are saved...and you have no reason to relate to Him.....

And your Salvation..... is secured by Justification...when you haven't considered regeneration.

My Faith is in the Blood.”NOTHING” but the Blood.

Two things Save us....#1 The Shed Blood Of Jesus Christ

#2 One’s Faith in #1

 

[Randy Kluth]

"Wonderful! I can NEVER be unsaved, even if I'm wrong. Wish I could say the same for OSASers!"

But that would be talking like someone who was never saved to begin with. Only those who aren't saved contemplate a life of freedom from Christianity when things are going well.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Precious friend(s), ?see you In God's Great GloryLand!! ♫ :) ↑

The law and the prophets were in force until John

And WAY beyond, until at least Acts_21 : 20 KJB!:

"...many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and
they are ALL zealous of the law:"

Q: Were not ALL these JEWS OBEDIENT to the Gospel Of the kingdom
commission to: "...OBSERVE ALL things WhatSoEver CHRIST
Commanded..." (Matthew_28 : 19-20 KJB!), ONE of them being:

"Then SPAKE JESUS to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in MOSES' seat:
ALL THEREFORE WHATSOEVER THEY BID YOU OBSERVE,
THAT OBSERVE AND DO; but do not ye after their works:
for they say, and do not." (Matthew_23 : 1-3 KJB!)

So, osas Notwithstanding, Q: HOW is it that ANYONE "is SAVED"
Today, knowing FULL WELL that NO ONE OBEYS JESUS' COMMAND???

Thus, there is NO osas, AND THERE IS NO SALVATION, Either!!!
Prophecy / law / gospel of the kingdom to ISRAEL / JEWS!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2 : 15 KJB!) from "Things That DIFFER!":
{RDf}
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Revelation Of The MYSTERY / Gospel Of GRACE TO us, Today!
(Romans Through Philemon KJB!) So, ONE LAST TIME!:

GRACE Through {ONE-TIME} faith = God Establishes an Eternal
RELATIONSHIP With HIM! PERIOD. = ►►► JUSTIFICATION =
CHRIST's PRECIOUS BLOOD PAID the FULL PENALTY for sin! Period.
God, The Father ACCEPTS HIS SON's FULL PAYMENT, And Thus,
HE FORGIVES ALL sin! Period. ◄◄◄
Justification!

{RDf}

Sanctification!: we "work out OUR OWN salvation" = Deliverance From the
Power of sin! Now, IF "WE fail" THEN WHAT? man says: Eternal Condemnation.

But, God Says "loss of reward" (1Co_3 : 8 -15 cp 1Co_5 : 5 KJB!)
Please, carefully And Prayerfully "study" ALL Of God's Inspired Word,
Which Is "ALL Profitable For Sound Doctrine!" (2 Timothy 3 : 16 KJB!)
Sanctification = FELLOWSHIP not Relationship!

{RDf}

GLORIFICATION! = CHRIST Raises us from the dead, or, IF we are still
living, "Catches us UP to meet HIM In the air, to take us TO Heaven!"
Final DELIVERANCE from the PRESENCE of sin! Amen?
Q: How many "members" of The Body Of CHRIST Are Departing,
ALL who Are Justified? or:

according to men: NO, only those who KEPT themSELVES SAVED by
"man-made Conditions," so, it will only be a Partial rapture.

But, God Still Says: "...Let GOD Be TRUE, BUT EVERY man a LIAR!..."
(Romans_3 : 4 KJB!) Notice Again, All Scripture, Rightly Divided, IS Profitable!:

"Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. According to The GRACE Of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid The Foundation, and another buildeth Thereon.

But let every man take heed how he buildeth Thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, Which Is JESUS CHRIST. Now IF any man build upon This Foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for The {JUDGMENT} DAY shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward...

1Co_3 : 15:
...IF ANY {JUSTIFIED, but UNfaithful} man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss:
BUT he himself SHALL BE SAVED; yet so as by fire." (1_Corinthians 3 : 8-15 KJB!)
q: God Says ↑↑ Exactly WHAT ↑↑? Thus:

"God's THOUGHTS are NOT man's thoughts, And
God's WAYS ARE NOT man's ways!" Correct?

More "study" here:
Judgment Seat Of CHRIST I
Judgment Seat Of CHRIST II
Judgment Seat Of CHRIST III

+

God's ETERNAL Salvation? FULL Scriptures here:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!
God's Eternal Assurance

Be Blessed!

 

[GRACE ambassador]

They received the Spirit with signs following. So, no wondering about their salvation there. Yet they rejected justification by faith through Christ apart from works and went back to observing the Mosaic Sabbath and Festival cycle for justification.

Amen! And, "NO wondering" is needed by legalistic judgers today, Either! As
FB so well Puts It: "MY SINS are Between me AND GOD ONLY!" Correct? FB???

Bueller? Are you there? Bueller?

 

[Corlove13]

My Faith is in the Blood.”NOTHING” but the Blood.

Two things Save us....#1 The Shed Blood Of Jesus Christ

#2 One’s Faith in #1

"Ones faith in" what?
How does the blood of Jesus save you?
What is it saving you from?

 

[mailmandan]

 

[Corlove13]

Some make a strong case that those that “ don’t” adhere to OSAS are not Saved.....they maintain that the Gospel says that “ Jesus Died for our Sins” —— Of course , He Did.......If you really Believe that, how could one lose their Salvation.....if Jesus died for ALL of your sins—— what sins could you be damned for? So this shows that in your heart , you don’t really believe what the gospel says, therefore you are lost.....I don’t necessarily buy that , but I could be wrong about my “ take”...... why take a chance?

I have had three close friends die recently of illness....they knew ahead of time that they were dying....I felt absolutely NO NEED to rush to their bedsides and make sure they had the “ correct” view on OSAS......neither did I rush to them to warn them that they would go to Hell if they had any sins in their lives that had not been Repented Of......they were all Believers in Jesus.....that’s all I cared about....it was all that I “ NEEDED” to worry about......

In the end,I think a NON OSAS man does not have the Assurance , nor the peace of mind , nor the Joy That I have.....those things alone are valid reasons to fight against it.....

Salvation is usually referring to....being saved from present sins...

 

[Corlove13]

Precious friend(s), ?see you In God's Great GloryLand!! ♫ :) ↑


And WAY beyond, until at least Acts_21 : 20 KJB!:

"...many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and
they are ALL zealous of the law:"

Q: Were not ALL these JEWS OBEDIENT to the Gospel Of the kingdom
commission to: "...OBSERVE ALL things WhatSoEver CHRIST
Commanded..." (Matthew_28 : 19-20 KJB!), ONE of them being:

"Then SPAKE JESUS to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in MOSES' seat:
ALL THEREFORE WHATSOEVER THEY BID YOU OBSERVE,
THAT OBSERVE AND DO; but do not ye after their works:
for they say, and do not." (Matthew_23 : 1-3 KJB!)

So, osas Notwithstanding, Q: HOW is it that ANYONE "is SAVED"
Today, knowing FULL WELL that NO ONE OBEYS JESUS' COMMAND???

Thus, there is NO osas, AND THERE IS NO SALVATION, Either!!!
Prophecy / law / gospel of the kingdom to ISRAEL / JEWS!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2 : 15 KJB!) from "Things That DIFFER!":
{RDf}
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Revelation Of The MYSTERY / Gospel Of GRACE TO us, Today!
(Romans Through Philemon KJB!) So, ONE LAST TIME!:

GRACE Through {ONE-TIME} faith = God Establishes an Eternal
RELATIONSHIP With HIM! PERIOD. = ►►► JUSTIFICATION =
CHRIST's PRECIOUS BLOOD PAID the FULL PENALTY for sin! Period.
God, The Father ACCEPTS HIS SON's FULL PAYMENT, And Thus,
HE FORGIVES ALL sin! Period. ◄◄◄
Justification!

{RDf}

Sanctification!: we "work out OUR OWN salvation" = Deliverance From the
Power of sin! Now, IF "WE fail" THEN WHAT? man says: Eternal Condemnation.

But, God Says "loss of reward" (1Co_3 : 8 -15 cp 1Co_5 : 5 KJB!)
Please, carefully And Prayerfully "study" ALL Of God's Inspired Word,
Which Is "ALL Profitable For Sound Doctrine!" (2 Timothy 3 : 16 KJB!)
Sanctification = FELLOWSHIP not Relationship!

{RDf}

GLORIFICATION! = CHRIST Raises us from the dead, or, IF we are still
living, "Catches us UP to meet HIM In the air, to take us TO Heaven!"
Final DELIVERANCE from the PRESENCE of sin! Amen?
Q: How many "members" of The Body Of CHRIST Are Departing,
ALL who Are Justified? or:

according to men: NO, only those who KEPT themSELVES SAVED by
"man-made Conditions," so, it will only be a Partial rapture.

But, God Still Says: "...Let GOD Be TRUE, BUT EVERY man a LIAR!..."
(Romans_3 : 4 KJB!) Notice Again, All Scripture, Rightly Divided, IS Profitable!:

"Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. According to The GRACE Of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid The Foundation, and another buildeth Thereon.

But let every man take heed how he buildeth Thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, Which Is JESUS CHRIST. Now IF any man build upon This Foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for The {JUDGMENT} DAY shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward...

1Co_3 : 15:
...IF ANY {JUSTIFIED, but UNfaithful} man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss:
BUT he himself SHALL BE SAVED; yet so as by fire." (1_Corinthians 3 : 8-15 KJB!)
q: God Says ↑↑ Exactly WHAT ↑↑? Thus:

"God's THOUGHTS are NOT man's thoughts, And
God's WAYS ARE NOT man's ways!" Correct?

More "study" here:
Judgment Seat Of CHRIST I
Judgment Seat Of CHRIST II
Judgment Seat Of CHRIST III

+

God's ETERNAL Salvation? FULL Scriptures here:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!
God's Eternal Assurance

Be Blessed!

The law and the prophets were in force until John
Luke 16:16
Until John the Baptist, the law of Moses and the messages of the prophets were your guides. But now the Good News of the Kingdom of God is preached, and everyone is eager to get in.

 

[Corlove13]

One should not decrease salvation to Justification. That is part of it.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

they were all Believers in Jesus.....that’s all I cared about....it was all that I “ NEEDED” to worry about......

Which is exactly what I've been saying all along. The only thing that counts is that you are believing, today. Not yesterday, not tomorrow. Today. That's what the Bible tells us to do. The Osas contention fades into meaningless when you focus on what the Bible tells you to focus on.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

In the end,I think a NON OSAS man does not have the Assurance , nor the peace of mind , nor the Joy That I have.....those things alone are valid reasons to fight against it.....

I am anti-Osas and I have assurance, I have peace, and I have joy. Osas is not the source of assurance, peace, and joy. You have a false sense of assurance if your assurance comes from Osas. The Bible tells us where peace, joy, and assurance come from, and it is not from Osas. If you get those things from where they actually come from then you won't be deceived into thinking you have them when you really may have no basis for them at all.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

...they maintain that the Gospel says that “ Jesus Died for our Sins” —— Of course , He Did.......If you really Believe that, how could one lose their Salvation...

Look at your words......"if you really believe that". Nobody's saying a person who is believing is going to lose their salvation. It's the person who stops believing that will lose their salvation. I don't think this is hard. But it's so far removed from the Osas paradigm of thinking they can't grasp this simple truth. There's no room in their thinking to even consider it, let alone accept it.

..if Jesus died for ALL of your sins—— what sins could you be damned for?

Unbelief. Rejecting Christ. That's the one sin that will cause you to be damned for all the other sins you commit. He did not die for the sin of unrepentant, willful unbelief in the face of the revelation of who Christ is. That's the one sin Jesus said will not be forgiven, not in this age or the age to come.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

In the end,I think a NON OSAS man does not have the Assurance , nor the peace of mind , nor the Joy That I have.....those things alone are valid reasons to fight against it.

Peace, joy, and assurance are good things to fight for. But you're fighting that battle with the wrong ammo. You need to be equipped with the knowledge of what the Bible says gives you those things. And it ain't Osas.

 

[HisLife]

So after a small break and reading some of this thread I can see an overwhelming victory in support of OSAS, 276 pages, And its clear non-OSAS have no bases other than to look to themselves, Lots of Great verses and opinions, but it clearly comes down to trusting Jesus = Safe as a rock, As apposed to trusting themselves with no assurance, Great thread guys

 

[BarneyFife]

In the end,I think a NON OSAS man does not have the Assurance , nor the peace of mind , nor the Joy That I have.....those things alone are valid reasons to fight against it.....

So the question becomes: Is the Gospel mainly a matter of assurance, peace of mind, and joy? Because it seems to be all-important to many here. The arguments in favor of eternal security are definitely among the most impassioned you will find here on CB. The threads never cease to thrive. Has anyone ever witnessed a changing of a mind in this matter as a result of these quibblefests? People of any substantial Christian experience generally believe what they want to believe.