God is not the Author of Confusion and False Theology.

[GISMYS_7]

Pray for wisdom and understanding!!! God has "order" = Believe and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and obey God and be baptized!
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8 Believe confess and repent for the remission of sins and then be baptized!!!
Born again believers will choose to obey God and be baptized not to obtain salvation But because they have received the free gift of God and now have salvation!

 

[Stumpmaster]

Pray for wisdom and understanding!!! God has "order" = Believe and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and obey God and be baptized!
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8 Believe confess and repent for the remission of sins and then be baptized!!!
Born again believers will choose to obey God and be baptized not to obtain salvation But because they have received the free gift of God and now have salvation!

The Parable of the Sower is a beautiful and concise explanation of the spiritual life and growth that occurs when the activity of God's Word is unresisted.

First God's Word must be sown.

Mar 4:14 The sower sows the word.

A heart that was once resistent to the Word of God becomes aware of the goodness of God which leads to repentance.

Rom 2:4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?

 

[Randy Kluth]

Pray for wisdom and understanding!!! God has "order" = Believe and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and obey God and be baptized!
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8 Believe confess and repent for the remission of sins and then be baptized!!!
Born again believers will choose to obey God and be baptized not to obtain salvation But because they have received the free gift of God and now have salvation!

I don't emphasize water baptism like you do, but otherwise, good word--we are saved not by our own works, by by accepting the work of Christ on our behalf, which becomes part of what we do. We can't *be* Christ, nor can we be as perfect as Christ. But we can partake of his divine nature, which means that we don his holy nature, and present his love to others in our lives.

Baptism is important as an initiation ceremony, a rite of passage into Christianity, and a testimony to others publicly. But it is not required for salvation. Rather, it symbolizes salvation. It symbolizes Spirit Baptism, which is what really saves us and causes us to be filled with the Spirit.

 

[justbyfaith]

Pray for wisdom and understanding!!! God has "order" = Believe and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and obey God and be baptized!
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8 Believe confess and repent for the remission of sins and then be baptized!!!
Born again believers will choose to obey God and be baptized not to obtain salvation But because they have received the free gift of God and now have salvation!

Consider that Acts of the Apostles 2:38 contains a conditional promise that is given to "as many as the Lord our God shall call." (Acts of the Apostles 2:39).

Now consider Romans 8:30; and really think about what it means for you in light of that.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Consider that Acts of the Apostles 2:38 contains a conditional promise that is given to "as many as the Lord our God shall call." (Acts of the Apostles 2:39).

Now consider Romans 8:30; and really think about what it means for you in light of that.

""ALL"" are called but many do not answer. God is not willing that any perish but you are free to reject God and go to hell=all your choice!!

 

[justbyfaith]

""ALL"" are called but many do not answer. God is not willing that any perish but you are free to reject God and go to hell=all your choice!!

No, not all are called.

The conditional promise of the Holy Ghost to those who are baptized in Jesus' Name is given to as many as the Lord our God shall call.

So, those who do not fulfill the condition of the promise, and who do not receive the promise, are those who have not been called.

So, what does that mean for them according to Romans 8:30?

They have not been predestinated, and are not justified, and will not be glorified.

Of course that shifts the moment a person gets baptized in Jesus' Name. Once they are baptized properly, it shows that they have been called...and therefore were predestinated, are justified, and will be glorified.

 

[GISMYS_7]

No, not all are called.

The conditional promise of the Holy Ghost to those who are baptized in Jesus' Name is given to as many as the Lord our God shall call.

So, those who do not fulfill the condition of the promise, and who do not receive the promise, are those who have not been called.

So, what does that mean for them according to Romans 8:30?

They have not been predestinated, and are not justified, and will not be glorified.

Of course that shifts the moment a person gets baptized in Jesus' Name. Once they are baptized properly, it shows that they have been called...and therefore were predestinated, are justified, and will be glorified.

For many are called, but few are chosen (Matthew 20:16; 22:14).
Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring(calling) to men that ""all people"" everywhere should repent,

 

[justbyfaith]

For many are called, but few are chosen (Matthew 20:16; 22:14).
Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring(calling) to men that ""all people"" everywhere should repent,

So, that does not indicate that those who are baptized in Jesus' Name are not called, and neither does it indicate that those who are not baptized in Jesus' Name are called.

 

[GISMYS_7]

“ The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to usward, not willing that ""any"" should perish, but that ""all""should come to repentance.” 2 Peter 3:9

 

[Mungo]

Pray for wisdom and understanding!!! God has "order" = Believe and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and obey God and be baptized!

Yes, God gave us an "order".
He who believes and is baptized will be saved (Mk 16:16)
That's belief + baptism = salvation

For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8 Believe confess and repent for the remission of sins and then be baptized!!!

At Pentecost Peter said “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.."
That's repent + baptism = the remission of sins

Born again believers will choose to obey God and be baptized not to obtain salvation But because they have received the free gift of God and now have salvation!

If baptism does not bring salvation then why does Peter say about eight people being saved in Noah's day that they "were saved through water" and "Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you" (1Pet 3:21)?

 

[GISMYS_7]

Baptism by water saves no one!!! You can be baptized every day of your life but if you do not believe and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior you will be in the lake of fire for eternity.

 

[Mungo]

Baptism by water saves no one!!!

Jesus said otherwise.
I quoted scripture.
You just give your opinions

You can be baptized every day of your life but if you do not believe and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior you will be in the lake of fire for eternity.

Baptism is a once in a lifetime.

 

[GISMYS_7]

God expects us to think and have understanding of what God's Word teaches.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Beware the cost of false teaching and lack of understanding. =HELL!!! Many people when asked are you a believer? Have you accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior? Are you on your way to heaven? Ofter they will say,"oh! yes I was baptize when I was six years old I am a Christian. Are they saved?

 

[Mungo]

God expects us to think and have understanding of what God's Word teaches.

Like - don't believe GISMYS's opinions, especially when they contradict scripture.

 

[Mungo]

Beware the cost of false teaching and lack of understanding.

Like Yours?

Many people when asked are you a believer? Have you accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior? Are you on your way to heaven? Ofter they will say,"oh! yes I was baptize when I was six years old I am a Christian.

What surveys have you done to justify that claim?
Is it just one of your opinions plucked out of the air?

Are they saved?

They were when they were baptised. I don't claim to be God to know whether they are now or not.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Hitler was born to a practicing Catholic mother, and was baptized in the Roman Catholic Church.
Adolf Hitler was a Roman Catholic. December 24, 2017 by Jon Watkins. “As a Child Hitler was baptized into the Catholic Church. He was an ALTAR BOY and at one point he wanted to become a Priest!!! As history would later show, a church member and a christian are two different things!”. Do you "think" Hitler was saved and in heaven today?? Think again!! Baptism saves no one!!

 

[Mungo]

Hitler was born to a practicing Catholic mother, and was baptized in the Roman Catholic Church.
Adolf Hitler was a Roman Catholic. December 24, 2017 by Jon Watkins. “As a Child Hitler was baptized into the Catholic Church. He was an ALTAR BOY and at one point he wanted to become a Priest!!! As history would later show, a church member and a christian are two different things!”. Do you "think" Hitler was saved and in heaven today?? Think again!! Baptism saves no one!!

Similarly to my previous post; he would have been saved when he was baptised. I don't claim to be God to know whether he was when he died.

Jesus said
He who believes and is baptized will be saved (Mk 16:16)
That's belief + baptism = salvation

If baptism saves no-one then why does Peter say about eight people being saved in Noah's day that they "were saved through water" and "Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you" (1Pet 3:21)?

Try answering those points.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Simple=easy to understand God's Word tells all people how and what to do to be saved!!Believe God's Word!!!

How to be saved (born again) and join the family of God!!! Believe God's Word!!

Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13 GOD SAYS=

if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved.............. Now obey and be baptized!!

 

[Mungo]

Simple=easy to understand God's Word tells all people how and what to do to be saved!!Believe God's Word!!!

How to be saved (born again) and join the family of God!!! Believe God's Word!!

Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13 GOD SAYS=

if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved.............. Now obey and be baptized!!

Well, well!! You have to make things up to support your false theology.
Romans Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13 doesn't say "Now obey and be baptized!!".
That is GISMYS's words not God's words.

I'm still waiting for you to explain why when Jesus said "He who believes and is baptized will be saved" (Mk 16:16) he didn't mean what he said.

I'm still waiting for you to explain why when Peter wrote "Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you" (1Pet 3:21) he didn't mean what he wrote.

Stop adding to the Bible and explain what the Bible actually says.