Scriptures that trinitarians Don't Want You to Know About - #2

[BroRando]

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the LORD (God Jehovah Isa 44:6; Gen 17:1; Exo 6:3 ), which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. (Rev 1:8)

Translators not only removed God's Name but also removed GOD from latter revisions. Replacing it with LORD because that's what they did.... and that deception did not go far enough so they took LORD and made it into a little Lord ... (Rev 1:8)

Trinitarians tried to mimic the theology of the nameless trinity generic formula. Names were not to be added but rather a removal of them. The removal of the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ was under attack. That attack continues today. (Rev 1:8) at one time did have a Name in it but can you guess whose it was?

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith Jehovah God which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Switched to:​

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the LORD God which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Switched to:
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I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the LORD which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

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I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

 

[Amazed@grace]

Jesus did not teach the trinity or triune nature of himself. For me as one who bears his "namesake", that says it all.
That and the historic record that shows the triune teaching was brought into the faith centuries after Jesus returned to heaven.

A pagan concept, tri-theism, has no place in monotheistic Christianity.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the LORD (God Jehovah Isa 44:6; Gen 17:1; Exo 6:3 ), which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. (Rev 1:8)

Translators not only removed God's Name but also removed GOD from latter revisions. Replacing it with LORD because that's what they did.... and that deception did not go far enough so they took LORD and made it into a little Lord ... (Rev 1:8)

Trinitarians tried to mimic the theology of the nameless trinity generic formula. Names were not to be added but rather a removal of them. The removal of the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ was under attack. That attack continues today. (Rev 1:8) at one time did have a Name in it but can you guess whose it was?

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith Jehovah God which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Switched to:​

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the LORD God which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Switched to:
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I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the LORD which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Switched to:
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I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

WRONG.

"Jehovah" is NOT God's name. It is an invented word that came from the pen of a Spanish monk, Raymundo Martini in the 13th century as a way of transliterating the Hebrew name of God (YHVH). "LORD God" is a perfectly fine English translation of "YHVH".

Interesting fact about "Alpha and the Omega" for all you Trinity-deniers:
This title is given to God in Rev. 1:8 - and to the Son, Jesus in Rev. 22:13.

Ergo, Jesus is GOD, as is the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3-4).

 

[BroRando]

Jesus was never in Rev 1:8 ever..... have you ever read Rev 1:1 ? Who gave Jesus Christ this Revelation?

A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John, (Revelation 1:1)

 

[BreadOfLife]

Jesus was never in Rev 1:8 ever..... have you ever read Rev 1:1 ? Who gave Jesus Christ this Revelation?

A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John, (Revelation 1:1)

I never said that the Son, Jesus was speaking in Rev. 1:8.
However - Jesus calls HIMSELF, the "Alpha and the Omega" in Rev.22:13.

Rev. 1:8 says:
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the LORD God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Rev. 22:12-16 says:
“Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

Jesus is GOD because the WORD of God says so.

 

[BroRando]

Rev. 1:8 says:
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the LORD God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Jesus is not the one speaking here. Otherwise it would state Jesus but it does not. It's the One who begat him that Always Existed.

However, I do agree with you that Jesus was speaking at (Rev 22:16) in giving details to who he was. "I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright morning star." (Revelation 22:16)

Stars are angels. (Revelation 1:20) When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause? (Job 38:7)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Funny how the very passage you used, the god of Israel said I am YHWH and beside me there is no elohim..

 

[BreadOfLife]

Jesus is not the one speaking here. Otherwise it would state Jesus but it does not. It's the One who begat him that Always Existed.

However, I do agree with you that Jesus was speaking at (Rev 22:16) in giving details to who he was. "I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright morning star." (Revelation 22:16)

Stars are angels. (Revelation 1:20) When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause? (Job 38:7)

WHY do you keep repeating the LIE that I am claiming it is Jesus who is speaking in Rev. 1:8??
I have told you explicitly that this is NOT Jesus speaking - NOR is it speaking ABOUT Jesus, the Son. It is speaking about GOD in general.

I told you that Jesus is speaking in Rev. 22:12-16, when He refers to HIMSELF as the "Alpha and the Omega" - the SAME title given to GOD in Rev. 1:8.
This is a SLAM-DUNK Trinitarian argument.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Jesus is not the one speaking here. Otherwise it would state Jesus but it does not. It's the One who begat him that Always Existed.

As for Jesus being "Begotten" - I already explained that to you on another thread.
Jesus is ETERNALLY Begotten, which means He was not created. The Son ALWAYS existed (John 1:1, Rev. 13:8).

The fact that the Son is “eternally begotten” of the Father does NOT mean that He was BORN of the Father. “Begotten”, in this sense simply means “to cause to be”.

Remember that God is the cause of His OWN existence – outside of time. So, even though the Son is ETERNALLY existent (John 1:1, Rev. 13:8) – the Father caused Him to be – just as He caused Himself to be. The Holy Spirit wasn't "born", either, as He "proceeds from" both the Father AND the Son.

 

[BroRando]

Is God the Bright Morning Star? Stars are angels. (Revelation 1:20) When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause? (Job 38:7)

ummmmm... all the sons of God?
ummmmm... morning stars?

I have told you explicitly that this is NOT Jesus speaking - NOR is it speaking ABOUT Jesus, the Son.

No, it is I that told you that Jesus was not the one speaking at (Rev 1:8)

Do you think removing God's Name from scripture is Hallowing thy Father's Name?

 

[Heart2Soul]

best explanation I have come to read in all my years....

The Doctrine of the Trinity: No Christianity Without It

Sometimes it’s easier to understand what we believe by stating what we don’t believe.

• Orthodox Trinitarianism rejects monarchianism which believes in only one person (mono) and maintains that the Son and the Spirit subsists in the divine essence as impersonal attributes not distinct and divine Persons.
• Orthodox Trinitarianism rejects modalism which believes that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are different names for the same God acting in different roles or manifestations (like the well-intentioned but misguided “water, vapor, ice” analogy).
• Orthodox Trinitarianism rejects Arianism which denies the full deity of Christ.
• And finally, orthodox Trinitarianism rejects all forms of tri-theism, which teach that the three members of the Godhead are, to quote a leading Mormon apologist, “three distinct Beings, three separate Gods.”

 

[BroRando]

Even though several religions make the claim God has two natures, Jesus Christ points out that God is one nature.
"God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth." (John 4:24)

These are Bible truths from Jesus Christ... "Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him." (John 4:23)

I think I will stick to Jesus Christ in how to worship his God and Father...

 

[Philip James]

I think I will stick to Jesus Christ in how to worship his God and Father...

Through Him,
And with Him,
And in Him,
In the unity of the Holy Spirit,

All glory and honour are yours,
Almighy Father

 

[BroRando]

WRONG.

"Jehovah" is NOT God's name. It is an invented word that came from the pen of a Spanish monk, Raymundo Martini in the 13th century as a way of transliterating the Hebrew name of God (YHVH). "LORD God" is a perfectly fine English translation of "YHVH".

So if Jehovah is incorrect you probably also deny JESUS is the name of Christ? Jesus means 'Jehovah is Salvation'.


Psalms 83:18
“That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.”

 

[BreadOfLife]

So if Jehovah is incorrect you probably also deny JESUS is the name of Christ? Jesus means 'Jehovah is Salvation'.

Psalms 83:18
“That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.”

Once again - WHY do you keep repeating falsehoods about the use of "Jehovah", which is a 13th century perversion of "Yaweh" (YHVH).

The word, "Jehovah" is gobbldygook.
There are NO vowel points in Hebrew, hence, the name "YHVH".

 

[BreadOfLife]

Is God the Bright Morning Star? Stars are angels. (Revelation 1:20) When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause? (Job 38:7)

ummmmm... all the sons of God?
ummmmm... morning stars?

No, it is I that told you that Jesus was not the one speaking at (Rev 1:8)

Do you think removing God's Name from scripture is Hallowing thy Father's Name?

In post #5 - I presented you with Rev. 22:12-16 in which JESUS clearly calls Himself:
"The Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."

It appears that you are simply throwing blind punches in the dark at this point since your entire anti-Trinitarian case just collapsed under the weight of Scripture . . .

 

[BroRando]

Hebrew Script are basically called characters they contained no letters at all. The Tetragrammaton looked like this יהוה‎ Those four Hebrew characters—transliterated YHWH—are known as the Tetragrammaton.

At one time the Tetragrammaton was on Catholic buildings showing God's Name.

• Jesus used God’s name and made it known to others. (John 17:6, 11, 12, 26) Jesus plainly stated: “I have come in the name of my Father.” He also stressed that his works were done “in the name of [his] Father.” In fact, Jesus’ own name means “Jehovah Is Salvation.”—John 5:43; 10:25.

 

[Amazed@grace]

The Surprising Origins of the Trinity Doctrine

 

[BreadOfLife]

The Surprising Origins of the Trinity Doctrine

Ummmmmm, the "surprising" origins of the Trinity are in Scripture . . .

The Father is God
Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

Psalm 68:5
Father of the fatherless and protector of widows is God in his holy habitation.

Malachi 2:10
Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us? Why then are we faithless to one another, profaning the covenant of our fathers?

Isaiah 63:16
For you are our Father, though Abraham does not know us, and Israel does not acknowledge us; you, O Lord, are our Father, our Redeemer from of old is your name.

2 Corinthians 1:3-4
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our affliction, so that we may be able to comfort those who are in any affliction, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God.

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 8:41
You are doing the works your father did.” They said to him, “We were not born of sexual immorality. We have one Father—even God.”

1 Thessalonians 3:13
So that he may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus.

The Son is God
Isaiah 7:14
All right then, the Lord himself will give you the sign. Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel (which means 'God is with us').

Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Matt. 4:7
Jesus said to him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’”

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the word was God.

John 1:3
ALL things were made by HIM (Jesus); and without him was not ANY thing made that was made.

John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.”

John 10:30
“I and the Father are one."

John 15:9
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said unto him [Jesus], “My Lord and my God!”

Acts 5:3-4
Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to GOD.

2 Corinthians 4:4
...lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Philippians 2:6
...Who [Jesus], being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Colossians 2:9
...For in him [Jesus] dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ

The Holy Spirit is God
John 14:16-18
And I will pray the Father, and He will give you *ANOTHER Helper, that He may abide with you forever -- the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
*This word in Greek means, “another of the SAME kind.”

Luke 12:10
And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord IS the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that JESUS CHRIST IS IN YOU?

John 14:23
Jesus replied: "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him and WE will come to him and make OUR home with him.

Acts 5:3-4
But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? "While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to GOD."

 

[BreadOfLife]

Hebrew Script are basically called characters they contained no letters at all. The Tetragrammaton looked like this יהוה‎ Those four Hebrew characters—transliterated YHWH—are known as the Tetragrammaton.

At one time the Tetragrammaton was on Catholic buildings showing God's Name.

• Jesus used God’s name and made it known to others. (John 17:6, 11, 12, 26) Jesus plainly stated: “I have come in the name of my Father.” He also stressed that his works were done “in the name of [his] Father.” In fact, Jesus’ own name means “Jehovah Is Salvation.”—John 5:43; 10:25.

Soooooo, tell me where YOU get "Jehovah" from יהוה (YHVH) - when it is historically-proven that this word came from the mind and the pen of 13th century CATHOLIC monk, Raymundo Martini??

Once again - you're throwing blind punches in the dark on this one . . .