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I agree more than him than with you. A leopard can’t change his spots, no matter how hard he might try.

The outside of the cup looking good is just that. The problem springs from the inside of the cup and you can’t fix that. Only God can fix that and He does it through trust.
Amen, The pharisees looked good on the outside. A leopard can not change himself God must change him. a dog is no longer a dog. he is made into a new creature. thats why he does not return to his vomit. He has been changed By God. By Faith in him to complete the work he began when he perfected you
 
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Ferris Bueller

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I agree more than him than with you. A leopard can’t change his spots, no matter how hard he might try.

The outside of the cup looking good is just that. The problem springs from the inside of the cup and you can’t fix that. Only God can fix that and He does it through trust.
That's not the point of contention.
 

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Yes, you missed these.....

Whoever claims to abide in Him must walk as Jesus walked. 1 John 2:6

He must turn from evil and do good; he must seek peace and pursue it. 1 Peter 3:11

“Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord must turn away from iniquity.” 2 Timothy 2:19
@Corlove13

I'm wondering what translations you are quoting there. Google search shows the NIV, then the Phillips, the third I can't figure out.

I've found both the NIV and Phillips to be more interpretive, the third appears the same way. For myself I look for clear teaching in more literal translations as stronger support for doctrine.

These are more literal readings:

1 John 2:6 KJV
6) He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

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1 Peter 3:11 KJV
11) Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.

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2 Timothy 2:19 KJV
19) Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

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My hope here is that you will realize the significance in the difference of translation, and how it may impact your understanding of what is required to be saved, not to mention staying saved, as that is a particular concern for you.

Much love!
 
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You can know something and proclaim the opposite and that makes you all the more accountable for proclaiming what you know is not the complete truth.

I am concerned for the people that you are misleading here...
Don't you think his nonsense is a little too transparent to be misleading? I know I'm not being very kind here, but come on. The way BB carries on, how is anyone going to take him seriously? I reported him once for his attacks (not on me, btw) and he said "I'll be good," and look at him now--anyone and everyone is a fool and an infidel worthy only of mockery and scorn except for himself. I think I'm just making an honest observation here. I'm really tired of his abuse of everyone who doesn't buy into his over-the-top rhetoric. I think he might actually have me on -ignore-. I could, of course, be wrong.
 

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Bring forth your accusation.

Or, I will simply say that I am concerned for you now; and never tell you the reason why.
My accusation? No need to turn yourself into a victim. You obviously aren't interested in what I have to say, so not to worry!

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Not quite. He's got some tweaking to do in that department. His view of the Christian trusting God is you staggering around a room drunk and relying on everybody around you to keep you out of trouble and you taking no responsibility for your own behavior. He calls it 'dead works' if you do anything about your behavior and don't let change happen by itself.

Tell me how you say here he takes no responsibility for his behavior and yet you say his behavior (the outside of his cup) is not the point of contention.
 

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None of this matters if you aren't saved in the first place and you only think you are saved. That's why the Bible tells us to make our calling and election sure. You constantly rant against fake believers in the church, so you should know the importance of this. You don't just know you are saved because you think so, or because you say so. The Bible tells us, specifically, how we can know for sure we are saved. And it has nothing to do with what you push. You're focused on 'once you are saved you are always saved' while the Bible is focused on 'make sure you're believing and really saved and ready to meet Jesus when he comes back'.


Do you Believe the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4? According to Jesus, who gave that Gospel to Paul personally to give to Mankind.....You are Saved....

Have you sincerely “ASKED” to be Saved, because you saw the NEED for it? You are Saved...

Will you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and that He rose from the dead? You are Saved..

You can’t say sincerely , “ Jesus is Lord” without the Holy Spirit in you....can you say that? If You can, you are Saved....

Like the Thief on the Cross—- do you simply believe that Jesus was who He said He was? You are Saved....
Do you Believe Jesus was “ THE” Son Of God as opposed to “ A” son of God ? You are Saved.....

Don’t complicate what God has made simple....
 
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Then why doesn't everybody trust God, and trust him well? You have a very distorted view of what it means to trust God.


Why doesn’t everybody Trust God? The World, The Flesh and the Devil would be good candidates ....especially that Last One who “ snatches” the Truth from those that hear the Gospel......

Another candidate could be God Himself .....for “ Lydia, the Seller Of Purple” it was written that God “ opened her heart” to not just “ hear” the Gospel But to “ believe” the Gospel.....what if God does not” open your heart?”

Much of this is above my pay- grade.....sorry...

You claim my views are distorted ? That is just your opinion —- it’s worth exactly what I paid for it—- Nothing.

Prove I am wrong using Scripture , if you can. You can’t.
 
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Don't you think his nonsense is a little too transparent to be misleading? I know I'm not being very kind here, but come on. The way BB carries on, how is anyone going to take him seriously? I reported him once for his attacks (not on me, btw) and he said "I'll be good," and look at him now--anyone and everyone is a fool and an infidel worthy only of mockery and scorn except for himself. I think I'm just making an honest observation here. I'm really tired of his abuse of everyone who doesn't buy into his over-the-top rhetoric. I think he might actually have me on -ignore-. I could, of course, be wrong.


Exaggerate much? “ Everyone is a Fool and an “ Infidel?” .....such misleading Accusations ....how can anybody take somebody like you seriously?

I “ Never” put anybody on “ ignore”—— I need to know the latest False Gospels out there, promoted by weak, poorly taught , and Confused people so that Newbies can be exposed to my Two “ Blasphemous” Doctrines —— namely, “ Nothing But The Blood for Salvation “ and “ REST in the Finished Work Of The Cross” , which means to REST in the Gospel without adding to it or you will “ Fall From Grace”....... I’m truly sorry that you consider my Beliefs “ Nonsense”......Someday we will see, won’t we?
 

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Not quite. He's got some tweaking to do in that department. His view of the Christian trusting God is you staggering around a room drunk and relying on everybody around you to keep you out of trouble and you taking no responsibility for your own behavior. He calls it 'dead works' if you do anything about your behavior and don't let change happen by itself.
Sorry, FB, but I've gotta go with SBG on this one. BB is a loaded cannon, to be sure, but I've read some of his testimony and he's not a true antinomianist. He believes in holy living. He just doesn't do an awful lot of it here.
 

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Yes, you missed these.....

Whoever claims to abide in Him must walk as Jesus walked. 1 John 2:6

He must turn from evil and do good; he must seek peace and pursue it. 1 Peter 3:11

“Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord must turn away from iniquity.” 2 Timothy 2:19

Those are true, but once again, the problem for why we see none of us walking as Jesus walked is a lack of the trust that gets us there. He gave Israel 40 years to see if they would trust Him for temporal provision so surely He won’t give us only a few days to grow our trust.
 
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Why doesn’t everybody Trust God? The World, The Flesh and the Devil would be good candidates ....especially that Last One who “ snatches” the Truth from those that hear the Gospel......

Another candidate could be God Himself .....for “ Lydia, the Seller Of Purple” it was written that God “ opened her heart” to not just “ hear” the Gospel But to “ believe” the Gospel.....what if God does not” open your heart?”

Much of this is above my pay- grade.....sorry...

You claim my views are distorted ? That is just your opinion —- it’s worth exactly what I paid for it—- Nothing.

Prove I am wrong using Scripture , if you can. You can’t.
My hope was that you'd see the point. Trusting God doesn't come from God, as you are insisting. The opportunity, and the faith, and the encouragement to trust God comes from him, but the trusting itself, that's on you. See, you're not trusting God when you just cave into sin. You are trusting God when, by faith, you resist sin, trusting him that you don't have to commit that sin to satisfy whatever it is you're trying to achieve by sinning. But you are saying trusting God is just letting it go and having a carefree attitude about sin. That's showing your lack of trust in God.
 

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I think you offered “ your” opinion first.....so there! Lol

“ Don’t ‘forget’ it?” .....wow.....that sounds like some type of threat ! To that I say—- Pffffttttt......Lol.... Your reaction would make it appear that I am “ drawing a little Blood” .....don’t get your panties in a knot....it's just a debate....if you and you buddy, Mr. Fife “can’t stand the Heat—— Stay out of the Kitchen....”
 

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Sorry, FB, but I've gotta go with SBG on this one. BB is a loaded cannon, to be sure, but I've read some of his testimony and he's not a true antinomianist. He believes in holy living. He just doesn't do an awful lot of it here.
When he begins to see what he lacks, he will ask for it in trust. Then, look out!
 
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Those are true, but once again, the problem for why we see none of us walking as Jesus walked is a lack of the trust that gets us there.
That's right. BB's argument is you don't have to be concerned in the least that you aren't walking as Jesus walked. And that it's God's problem, not yours and mine. At the very least, that's a profound ignorance of what it means to overcome sin. At the very worst it's actually a lack of trust in God, not having trust in God. If you actually trusted God in the matter of sin you'd trust his word that you are already victorious over sin.
 
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Exaggerate much? “ Everyone is a Fool and an “ Infidel?” .....such misleading Accusations ....how can anybody take somebody like you seriously?

I “ Never” put anybody on “ ignore”—— I need to know the latest False Gospels out there, promoted by weak, poorly taught , and Confused people so that Newbies can be exposed to my Two “ Blasphemous” Doctrines —— namely, “ Nothing But The Blood for Salvation “ and “ REST in the Finished Work Of The Cross” , which means to REST in the Gospel without adding to it or you will “ Fall From Grace”....... I’m truly sorry that you consider my Beliefs “ Nonsense”......Someday we will see, won’t we?
Fire away, BB. It's what you do best, I guess. It's always all-or-nothing with you, isn't it? Much of what you say is just raving and hand-waving. Sorry. Ask mostly anyone. You have a huge ax to grind. I'm not exaggerating. Take it however you want. You know what I said about reporting you is true. You're just mad because you can't stand being called out. You seem to be looking forward to the day when everyone but you will be lost. You're not God. You don't have a monopoly on truth, BB. You think you've got it all figured out because you've settled two simple things in your mind. Good for you. I hope that works out for you. I really do. For now, though, you're mostly a nuisance here. That's my opinion. And it just could be a fact. :)
 
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