Once Saved Always Saved

[BloodBought 1953]

Can you really think you are in a position, as much as you have been forgiven, to damn someone as you did that other man your Lord also loves? Think about what you are doing!

I am not damning anybody .....if not for my Faith in the Gospel , my future would be an Eternity in Hell.....JBF preaches a False “Gospel” ..... Galatians 1:8 “ damns” Him —- not me...
If you do not think he should be Rebuked and called out.....YOU are complicit in His False Gospel ....do YOU think we found Forgiveness by “keeping the commandments of God ?” That Blasphemy doesn’t bother you? I have God's Holy Spirit in me and I am angry and sickened by his posts. How about YOU? Why do you rise to HIS defense? GOD doesn’t . God says he is “ Accursed” ..... read Galatians 1:8 and tell me I am wrong....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You don't strike me as someone who reads the Bible. You strike me as someone who studies material prepared by teachers, and you learn it well, and so you consider yourself 'knowledgeable'. That's why I see you as a textbook Christian, not an experiential one. If you really want to learn about God and know him and be like him you have to be a student of the Bible, not a student of a Bible teacher. That doesn't mean we don't sit under teachers. It means our source is God himself, not a man.

I have read the Bible countless times.....I combine what I know with what God -Given Teachers know and teach.....sometimes enlightening me to things I never really understood until a wiser man than me came along.....Gods Word proclaims That He has “ gifted” us with Great Teachers Of The Word .....are you so smart that you are “ above” being helped by those more Gifted than you?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

That would be Romans 12:6-8. He gives every believer a certain measure of faith in regard to the gift they have been given. He does not give varying degrees of faith to his people to not commit adultery, or to not lie, or to not steal. He wants all of us, equally the same, to trust him enough to know that we don't have to commit adultery, or steal, or hate, or lie. And so he makes the same measure of faith available to each of us for that purpose. But he does give us varying degrees of faith to walk in the different gifts that we have received.

You are looking at the outside of men’s cups, still, first of all.
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. These are the things which defile a man. Whether or not they proceed to the outside or remain hidden inside, the man is defiled. Whether or not murder is hidden inside or proceeds to the outside, it is murder. The day is coming when God will judge each mans secret life.
2 You may think you can condemn such people, but you are just as bad, and you have no excuse! When you say they are wicked and should be punished, you are condemning yourself, for you who judge others do these very same things. (In secret and hidden).

 

[BloodBought 1953]

This is exactly why I've always considered you a text book Christian, not an experiential one. Those of us out here in the bunkers of life know obedience to God is not always a thrill. Sometimes it's the last thing you feel like doing. And you may or may not do it. That's real life. You know you're in the trenches of being a Christian when the thrill is gone and you're in the Garden praying it can all go away and you don't have to confront it.

With all due respect.....you just don’t have a clue ....

You prove my point.....when Jesus was praying in the Garden That “ this cup might pass” it did not START OUT as a Thrill.....but as He acquiesced to the Will Of God and went to the Cross , it sure “ ended up” as a Thrill, don’t you think? Doing it God’s Way Paid for the Sins Of the World ! Now , anybody that simply Believes the Gospel can be Saved!The Curse Of The Law has been lifted ! God and Sinners have been “ reconciled” .....what a THRILL it became in the end...Faith struggles that end this way did not start out “thrilling” but they most often end up this way....you would argue with anything I would say ,wouldn’t you?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I am not damning anybody .....if not for my Faith in the Gospel , my future would be an Eternity in Hell.....JBF preaches a False “Gospel” ..... Galatians 1:8 “ damns” Him —- not me...
If you do not think he should be Rebuked and called out.....YOU are complicit in His False Gospel ....do YOU think we found Forgiveness by “keeping the commandments of God ?” That Blasphemy doesn’t bother you? I have God's Holy Spirit in me and I am angry and sickened by his posts. How about YOU? Why do you rise to HIS defense? GOD doesn’t . God says he is “ Accursed” ..... read Galatians 1:8 and tell me I am wrong....

I think you are not understanding a man who begins to dimly see holiness, and it’s no wonder because the man who begins to see it is confused even himself because where previously he saw all verses one way, he begins to see them another way. He must be very careful. It’s a time that he can slip into dangerous errors, like thinking men who trust God and are being practiced in trust are not being saved but that only men God takes into holiness are saved. If being in some error were not allowed as our minds are being renewed, no man could ever be saved.

 

[Corlove13]

The Gospel we are Speaking about is Jesus!

The Good News that the kingdom is available to anyone that puts their confidence in Him.

Therefore "Trust Jesus" This is the Gospel in a nut shell.

For if you trust Jesus, in Him you will find everything you need for this life including forgiveness of sins.

The Foundation is Not trust something He did, to secure you so you can have heaven when you die......even heaven is part of it.

With the above skip, hop, jump it can make many miss How we are saved from our present actual sins...lying, stealing, adulty, idols, coveteness......etc...Meaning how we stop from actually doing those things on earth, in our bodies, as we are physically alive...and where it begins.....[heart change] by trusting Jesus.

So that we can enter into His rest

One may not see that the eternal life that is spoken of......is Vibrant life.

That there is a difference between eternal life, and Life eternal.

Another words Life can begin now you do not have to wait until you die..

You have access through Christ Jesus the Risen Lord.....

We can through the Spirit Make the tree good so that it's fruit will be.
Walking in His statutes , clear conscience before God through the power of Jesus' resurrected Spirit.

believe who Jesus is and put your confidence in Him......

Remember these scriptures: 1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

So Jesus already conquered the world, and we through Him can conquer ....

Titus 2
11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

15These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Now How can you be the righteousness of God in Christ.....if there is no effort on your part to seek to obey?

WE ARE TO BE THE LIGHT IN THIS WORLD
AND GOD GAVE US EVERYTHING WE NEED IN CHRIST.

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 2 Cor 5:21


2 Peter 1:3
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

and that knowledge has to do with relationship ...

 

[stunnedbygrace]

It gladdens my Heart to know your Final End ....you repulse me.

Yes sir, you did judge and damn the man.

 

[BarneyFife]

My apologies to those who seldom get to see my “ gentleness” .All I can say is that I am as “ gentle” as Paul was when he “ confronted Peter to his face” or told the “ Circumcision Crowd” to emasculate themselves entirely or when he delivered his verdict on the Gospel Perverters at the Galatian Church....” throw them out!”

Are you saying that most of what you say is hyperbole?

Because I certainly hope this is, somehow, hyperbole:

It gladdens my Heart to know your Final End

If it is you definitely need to work on proper use of hyperbole.

I don’t “ Love” Tares....
I am not required too..

Are tares your enemies? If so, aren't you required to love them? Doesn't the Golden Rule apply to tares? Are you even sure you're supposed to identify tares? The parable says they're very difficult to recognize.

I really am fond of you, BB, as hard as it may be to believe, but I can't help thinking you've got some stuff to work through before you should consider yourself fully qualified to rebuke, etc. Honestly, no offense is intended here.

 

[BarneyFife]

when he delivered his verdict on the Gospel Perverters at the Galatian Church....” throw them out!”

By the way, I'm pretty sure excommunication is not the same as consigning someone to hell.

 

[BarneyFife]

This thread has opened my eyes to some things. Things that are actually quite humbling.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

By the way, I'm pretty sure excommunication is not the same as consigning someone to hell.

That's right. Excommunication is done in the hope of preparing them to be saved when Jesus comes back, not damn them to hell. 1 Corinthians 5:5.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I see it as a turning them over to satan so he can sift them so they will return humbler.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

This thread has opened my eyes to some things. Things that are actually quite humbling.

He humbles a man in order to lift him. You have been blessed.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

This thread has opened my eyes to some things. Things that are actually quite humbling.

Hopefully this is true of all of us. You know, that iron sharpens iron thing. You are all very valuable to me.......even BB. He keeps me on my theological toes.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

We are all fond of BB. Worried but fond.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
<<<We can't do nothing without God ..>>>

We can’t do anything good without God.

<<<Are you saying God forces one to accept His Gift?>>>

Not at all. There is nothing in what I said in my post that even suggest that in the least bit.

What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law, but under grace? Certainly not! Do you not know that when you offer yourselves as obedient slaves, you are slaves to the one you obey, whether you are slaves to sin leading to death, or to obedience leading to righteousness? 17But thanks be to God that, though you once were slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were committed. 18You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
So there is the answer.....you have been set free......and they can't be set free unless they have received the Spirit through obedience...this is the way they are no longer slaves.

Say they obeyed and didn't receive the promised Spirit and sins washed away...would they be thanking God?

But the point and truth remains, thanks be to God that they obeyed from the heart. Thanks be to God for the work He had done to save us.

Tong
R3352

 

[Ferris Bueller]

when Jesus was praying in the Garden That “ this cup might pass” it did not START OUT as a Thrill.....but as He acquiesced to the Will Of God and went to the Cross , it sure “ ended up” as a Thrill, don’t you think?

I do think that, because that is what scripture says, Hebrews 12:2. And so it is with me sometimes. I don't get the blessing until I've completed the task. Sometimes the overflow of the Spirit motivates the obedience. Other times I'm stepping out in faith trusting God and I get the blessing afterward. I've learned a lot from Matthew 5:47....

And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even Gentiles do the same? Matthew 5:47​

You just do it, even though every fiber of your being wants to not say anything. Then you do it and you go, "wow, I'm blessed"! God's Spirit comes flooding in and God is good, life is good, and the world is suddenly a beautiful place. It's what Jesus was talking about in John 14:21.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

struggles that end this way did not start out “thrilling” but they most often end up this way....you would argue with anything I would say ,wouldn’t you?

Not for a moment. You are spot on. What I would argue with is anyone attempting to call doing that a works gospel. I know there are people in the church who would say if you are doing it, that's you, not God, and you are performing dead works and trying to save yourself.

The reason this discussion came up is because you make your life in Christ sound like a Merry-go-round with wonderful music and cotton candy and teddy bears. I said that's not realistic. That's a textbook view of Christianity, not a real life one. It can be that, but it can also not be that. Not even close. Quite hellish sometimes. And I haven't suffered near what some Christians have! But if you know that, too, then, we have no argument here.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You are looking at the outside of men’s cups, still, first of all.
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. These are the things which defile a man. Whether or not they proceed to the outside or remain hidden inside, the man is defiled. Whether or not murder is hidden inside or proceeds to the outside, it is murder. The day is coming when God will judge each mans secret life.
2 You may think you can condemn such people, but you are just as bad, and you have no excuse! When you say they are wicked and should be punished, you are condemning yourself, for you who judge others do these very same things. (In secret and hidden).

I said nothing about condemning Christians who do not walk according to the Spirit. But I am speaking very clearly about the necessity to do so (walk by the Spirit). The point of my discussion with BB was trusting God is not just carelessly sinning and letting God worry about it, as he asserts. He even claims that is a higher revelation of trust in God. I'm telling him that trusting God is actually quite the opposite. Trusting God is about NOT sinning. Choosing to not sin means trusting God that you don't have to do the sin that is mercilessly badgering you to entertain. THAT is trusting God.

 

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.you would argue with anything I would say ,wouldn’t you?

I think so, as a matter of course.

Much love!