Bible alone

[theefaith]

Are you intending to claim that no one except the apostles has ever received the truth of God from the Holy Spirit?

scripture does
Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13 apply to the apostles
Matt 28:19 Lk 1:4 says they teach us

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Matt 16:17-19

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, so send in you. (The apostles) posses the same power mission and authority as Christ!
Peter, the apostles and their successors!

Must be taught by the holy church by the apostles! Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Acts 2:42

Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

 

[theefaith]

Authority of the Apostles!

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

 

[theefaith]

Teaching authority of the Apostles and their successors founded in the one true church by Jesus Christ!

Jesus Christ is the head of the church, (eph 5:23) the body of Christ,
(col 1:18) the new and eternal covenant, (pre-figured Jer 31:31) (Heb 8:8) new covenant replaces the Mosaic covenant, (Heb 8:13) holy mother church replaced Israel Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Christ replaces David as king, (Lk 1:32-33) Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, (1 Tim 2:5 & Heb 12:24) but a mediator remains on earth mediating between God and His people, but Christ ascended to heaven, (acts 1) before He did He founded His church, on Peter, and the apostles, and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 2:42 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

We must be taught by Peter, the apostles, and their successors! Lk 10:16 Matt 28:19 Jn 21:17 Jn 16:13 acts 2:42

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Acts 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

 

[ScottA]

scripture does
Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13 apply to the apostles
Matt 28:19 Lk 1:4 says they teach us

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Matt 16:17-19

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, so send in you. (The apostles) posses the same power mission and authority as Christ!
Peter, the apostles and their successors!

Must be taught by the holy church by the apostles! Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Acts 2:42

Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

Wwelll...except you left out Peter announcing the fulfillment of Joel's prophecy of God pouring his Spirit out upon ALL fresh. Just to name one scripture.

 

[theefaith]

Biblical Mary!

A good tree!

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!

Mother of Divine Grace!

Hebrews 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.


The throne of Grace is the throne of Mary the ever Virgin mother of God!

We come boldly to this throne cause Mary is our mother and advocate!

Mary is the storehouse of divine graces!

Lk 1:28
And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail Mary, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.


Salvation is to be found with Mary!
Jesus Christ is our salvation! Lk 2:30
He is Lord, and He is with Mary! Lk 1:28
Mary found our salvation! Lk 1:30
Consented to our salvation! Lk 1:38


Biblical Mary:

Mother of God Lk 1:43

Immaculate conception (sinless) gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary
Also Lk 1:28 full of grace lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus)

Lk 1:30 found favor with God (the salvation lost by Adam) mother of our salvation Lk 2:30

Perpetual Virgin Isa 7:14 matt 1:21
Lk 1:31-34

Queen of heaven
In the line of david’s kingdom the mother of the king is always queen
Jesus is king Lk 1:32-33
And king of heaven so Mary is queen of heaven

A Royal greeting!

Lk 1:28 is the only place in the Bible where such a greeting takes place!
Mary is of the tribe of Judah and the royal house of David the king!

God himself is greeting Mary thru the instrument of the angel Gabriel!

This is a Royal greeting of the queen of heaven and earth! Queen of the angels and saints! Mary is of the house of king David!

In the line of king David the mother of the king is the queen, as Jesus Christ is the king of heaven and earth and the angels and saints so Mary is the queen of the same! Lk 1:32-33

Lk 1:28 And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.
29 And when she had heard, she was troubled in his word, and thought what manner salutation this was.
30 And the angel said to her, Dread thou not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.

Mary is queen in rev 12:1 and heb 4:16
Mother of divine grace

 

[ScottA]

Biblical Mary!

A good tree!

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!

Mother of Divine Grace!

Hebrews 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.


The throne of Grace is the throne of Mary the ever Virgin mother of God!

We come boldly to this throne cause Mary is our mother and advocate!

Mary is the storehouse of divine graces!

Lk 1:28
And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail Mary, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.


Salvation is to be found with Mary!
Jesus Christ is our salvation! Lk 2:30
He is Lord, and He is with Mary! Lk 1:28
Mary found our salvation! Lk 1:30
Consented to our salvation! Lk 1:38


Biblical Mary:

Mother of God Lk 1:43

Immaculate conception (sinless) gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary
Also Lk 1:28 full of grace lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus)

Lk 1:30 found favor with God (the salvation lost by Adam) mother of our salvation Lk 2:30

Perpetual Virgin Isa 7:14 matt 1:21
Lk 1:31-34

Queen of heaven
In the line of david’s kingdom the mother of the king is always queen
Jesus is king Lk 1:32-33
And king of heaven so Mary is queen of heaven

A Royal greeting!

Lk 1:28 is the only place in the Bible where such a greeting takes place!
Mary is of the tribe of Judah and the royal house of David the king!

God himself is greeting Mary thru the instrument of the angel Gabriel!

This is a Royal greeting of the queen of heaven and earth! Queen of the angels and saints! Mary is of the house of king David!

In the line of king David the mother of the king is the queen, as Jesus Christ is the king of heaven and earth and the angels and saints so Mary is the queen of the same! Lk 1:32-33

Lk 1:28 And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.
29 And when she had heard, she was troubled in his word, and thought what manner salutation this was.
30 And the angel said to her, Dread thou not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.

Mary is queen in rev 12:1 and heb 4:16
Mother of divine grace

Still leaving much out of the scriptures. (Digging a bigger hole) ☹

 

[APAK]

@ScottA ..we have you been...or I just keep missing you on this site

 

[Wrangler]

Christ founded the church on Peter!

The RCC is the only denomination that makes that claim.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Actually, I was the one who made that point "crystal clear" not you.

Yes, so there is source material that isn't in the Bible that the writers considered authoritative and lived by and told others to live by--you want to minimize that point, again, so that you can follow men who were obviously already in error by exalting Mary, and that's your choice.

Basically : "I GOTTA preserve the Bible."
No real reason--even against reason--but OK. I guess.

Let me make something else "crystal clear" to you. I don't follow Mary, don't exalt her, and don't like the exclusivity of Catholicism, am not a Catholic, and never have been. So I may quote some Catholic, or a Pope, and that doesn't make me a Catholic, does it?

You've not made a single thing crystal clear to me. You keep telling me that Jude followed the book of Enoch. As I repeatedly tell you, *nothing* in the book of Jude remotely suggests that he or Christians should follow the book of Enoch. Quoting what people believed Enoch said, he is suggesting that Enoch, regardless of what book quoted him, was truthful in proclaiming the coming of God in judgment in the last days. Period.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Actually, I was the one who made that point "crystal clear" not you.

Yes, so there is source material that isn't in the Bible that the writers considered authoritative and lived by and told others to live by--you want to minimize that point, again, so that you can follow men who were obviously already in error by exalting Mary, and that's your choice.

Basically : "I GOTTA preserve the Bible."
No real reason--even against reason--but OK. I guess.

I have repeatedly told you that I have reasons for viewing the Scriptures as the Scriptures, which doesn't at all mean they have to be limited to the ones we have. Never said that. So you should stop saying that that's what I believe. Not true at all.

I'm not a believer in absolute inerrancy--I'm a believer in absolute reliability of doctrine. I believe God is perfect--not the authors of Scripture. And I don't believe God numbered exactly how many Scriptures we should have. It wasn't a "roll out," of sorts.

It just happened during the course of the ministries of those God called. Some met the challenge. Others may have written Scriptures that served a more temporary or a more local purpose--I don't know, and I don't really care. God didn't really make it a matter I should be concerned about.

 

[ScottA]

@ScottA ..we have you been...or I just keep missing you on this site

Yes, I've been gone. Just busy in an upside down world, moved, etc. Glad to see you still here speaking good sense!

 

[CadyandZoe]

without the church and the apostles authority you do not know what is and what is not scripture

Yes I do. It isn't that hard to figure out. And bear in mind that you are attempting to argue your point using scripture, demonstrating by your very action that you agree with me.

 

[GracePeace]

I have repeatedly told you that I have reasons for viewing the Scriptures as the Scriptures, which doesn't at all mean they have to be limited to the ones we have. Never said that. So you should stop saying that that's what I believe. Not true at all.

I'm not a believer in absolute inerrancy--I'm a believer in absolute reliability of doctrine. I believe God is perfect--not the authors of Scripture. And I don't believe God numbered exactly how many Scriptures we should have. It wasn't a "roll out," of sorts.

It just happened during the course of the ministries of those God called. Some met the challenge. Others may have written Scriptures that served a more temporary or a more local purpose--I don't know, and I don't really care. God didn't really make it a matter I should be concerned about.

I see your view as being "Mariolators told me, and I unthinkingly obey."
I militate against tradition.
I question everything.
I try to get to the bottom of everything.
I militate against my own views--hence I accepted that Russian Orthodox's argument, because it was more reasonable than mine, that the "Apocrypha" probably was Scripture.
I want ANY blessing from God I can get--I don't want tradition standing in my way.

 

[GracePeace]

Let me make something else "crystal clear" to you. I don't follow Mary, don't exalt her, and don't like the exclusivity of Catholicism, am not a Catholic, and never have been. So I may quote some Catholic, or a Pope, and that doesn't make me a Catholic, does it?

You've not made a single thing crystal clear to me. You keep telling me that Jude followed the book of Enoch. As I repeatedly tell you, *nothing* in the book of Jude remotely suggests that he or Christians should follow the book of Enoch. Quoting what people believed Enoch said, he is suggesting that Enoch, regardless of what book quoted him, was truthful in proclaiming the coming of God in judgment in the last days. Period.

LOL You like the phrase "crystal clear".

On the "Enoch" issue, you misunderstood, so please reread.

I mentioned their Mariolatry BECAUSE you don't follow it.

 

[theefaith]

We have the scriptures.
You were talking about Apostles. Dude, take Zoe's advice. Give in to reality.

you have no faith it seems, you don’t believe the scripture so you think you can re-write it to suit your fancy (1 Tim 4:1) matt 28:18 teach you change to pass out bibles

fundamentalists delusion: all we need is people reading the Bible for themselves and they will all be Protestants

 

[theefaith]

Why does it matter what I do on the Sabbath?

im just curious

I guess it not Christian worship in spirit and truth
The holy sacrifice of Christ

 

[theefaith]

The RCC is the only denomination that makes that claim.

there is only only one true church found by Christ on Peter! Jn 10:16

 

[theefaith]

Yes I do. It isn't that hard to figure out. And bear in mind that you are attempting to argue your point using scripture, demonstrating by your very action that you agree with me.

for apologetics I stick with the Bible alone for your benefit, a doctrine does not need to in scripture to be true, it must be revealed by God and taught by His church Matt 28:19 Lk 1:4 acts 2:42 etc.

 

[Wrangler]

im just curious

I guess it not Christian worship in spirit and truth
The holy sacrifice of Christ

You are judging me as not worshipping in Spirit and truth because I keep holy the Sabbath Day?

there is only only one true church found by Christ on Peter! Jn 10:16

Saying it does not make the RCC the one true church. Your Scriptural reference, not only does not mention Peter, it does not mention one church.


There are many more sheep than you can see here, and I will bring them as well. They will hear My voice, and the flock will be united. One flock. One shepherd.
John 10:16 (VOICE)

 

[GracePeace]

Christ and his church are one
And Christ says the apostles are to teach the people matt 28:19

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Christ, our Example, was submissive to Scripture, living "that the Scripture might be fulfilled" and "as it is written"--just like Paul always stated "as it is written".

You shouldn't have a problem with people who say, "Listen, I KNOW God said these things--Jesus and His Apostles grew up on them, and lived their lives by them--as for these 'traditions', they're questionable, and sometimes they explicitly contradict Scripture (eg, Mary as New Eve), so I'll stick with what I KNOW God has said."

Why would you find fault with that?