Clearly Jesus is a Black Hebrew Israelite

[GracePeace]

I’m an Israelite from the tribe of Judah.
Ahshar Ban Yahawadah ban Yahsharala.

Torah wasn't speaking about you in Deuteronomy 28.
Deuteronomy 28 says "you will seek to be sold to your enemies and there will be no buyer".
1. You didn't seek to be sold, you were FORCED into slavery--OOPS!
2. You WERE enslaved, there WERE buyers--OOPS!

 

[GracePeace]

As for Black Israelites ,I think we are at least one of the tribes as we are the only people without a name along with a few other things .

Will discuss more latter

Sure hope you aren't trying to base your supposed "Jewishness" on Deuteronomy 28:68--there are no lexicons you can resort to that prove it spoke of you, since the guys who preserved the Hebrew language, who taught it in our Universities, who are at the roots of our lexicons, the Jews (here, in the West--and especially in America--that would have been, to a great extent, Ashkenazic Jewry), have already interpreted the Hebrew for you :

Deuteronomy 28:68
And the Lord will bring you back to Egypt in ships, through the way about which I had said to you, You will never see it again. And there, you will seek to be sold to your enemies for slaves and handmaids, but there will be no buyer.

Leaving the first parts--you didn't go to Egypt, but America, and you didn't go "back" anywhere, and God never said "you will never see America again", and Moses never delivered you from America--aside:
1. Blacks were FORCED into slavery--they didn't SEEK TO BE SOLD
2. Blacks were ENSLAVED here--there WERE buyers.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I have seen Black Jesus on TV. Look it up he is cool and I love the show, it's all black people in the show, it's so truthful and a reality show, a dude called Vince is Eddy Murphy's Brother and he don't take a shine to Black Jesus.

 

[GracePeace]

Jesus did not change the law
...
Mat 5:19 - Whosoever thereforeshall break one of these leastcommandments, and shall teachmen so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: butwhosoever shall do and teachthem, the same shall be calledgreat in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 - For I say unto you,That except your righteousnessshall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdomof heaven.

Verses 19 and 20 were digs at the hypocrisy of the Pharisees--"do and teach" was their failure, and He was bringing that out.

However, as was already pointed out, Jesus goes on to militate against Torah, because it was inferior to the Law He was bringing.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Define " black". Jesus was Jewish. Traditional middle eastern Jews have dusky skin, right? Not black but definitely not white either. And BTW, who cares what exact color his skin was? Does it make any difference?

It's not my intention to pour fuel on the fire, but the Falashas, a black people of Ethiopian origin were officially accepted as legitimate Jews and granted Israeli Citizenship in 1975. Most have since emigrated to Israel from Ethiopia to avoid persecution by the Ethiopian Christians (they have a long history of civil war which according to their tradition was over the possession of the ark of the covenant which is supposedly kept in a small sanctuary at St. Mary of Zion church in Axum, Ethiopia.)

 

[tsr]

As far as ‘proof’ of the Black Israelite doctrine goes, one Black Israelite stated that since 1) People thought when Moses fled Egypt he was an Egyptian (Exodus 2:19-21), 2) Roman soldiers thought the Apostle Paul, who they arrested as a rabble-rouser was a particular rabble-rousing Egyptian (Acts 21:38-39), and 3) Egyptians were supposedly black, therefore 4) the Israelites would have been black.

 

[michaelvpardo]

You are a racist. What is blacks? I never defined myself as such. And your completely illiterate on top of biblically illiterate. Who are the blacks ? What’s the history of blacks ? You see how white supremacy has committed cultural genocide on a whole nation of people. And then try to propagate some false identity on to us. And still they deny we are the children of the true living god. Surely the day will come when you realize your fathers as well as you have inherited lies.

Your characterization of "white people " is probably the most racist post here, but racism is nothing new to the church at large.

 

[GracePeace]

As far as ‘proof’ of the Black Israelite doctrine goes, one Black Israelite stated that since 1) People thought when Moses fled Egypt he was an Egyptian (Exodus 2:19-21), 2) Roman soldiers thought the Apostle Paul, who they arrested as a rabble-rouser was a particular rabble-rousing Egyptian (Acts 21:38-39), and 3) Egyptians were supposedly black, therefore 4) the Israelites would have been black.

I already contacted a Professor's aide in the UK (an Egyptologist--something along those lines (antiquities--he specialized in their art work I believe)); he told me (what is already obvious) "Just look at the Egyptians' own illustrations." Yeah, they weren't Black, they looked Arabic just like they do today.

I responded, "Yes, I know, but the 'Black Hebrew Israelites' claim a population later moved in and displaced the Black-looking people."

He chose not even to respond--in other words, they're not even worth his time.

Now, for proof that their ignorance isn't worth his time, just read the thread.

Every claim the guy has made has been debunked.

 

[Osiris]

I really wasn't going to comment on this thread until I got to this part "you are saying the devil is Satan then you are contradicting the Bible." satan goes by many names ,the ones mentioned in Revelation are those that prove you wrong.

Revelation 12:9 “And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.”.

He has many more, yet they are all the same.

As for Black Israelites ,I think we are at least one of the tribes as we are the only people without a name along with a few other things .

Will discuss more latter

This conversation was in reference to them being called of their father the devil. If you believe the devil in that verse is the Satan that is a serpent. Then that would confuse you to thinking Satan is a man. Yet Satan is a spiritual demon who works through devils. “ ye are of your father the devil means “ ye are of deceivers

 

[Osiris]

Your characterization of "white people " is probably the most racist post here, but racism is nothing new to the church at large.

I never characterized so called white people or even said it in this post to someone else I might add. Asking him questions as to why he is calling me black when I never identified as such.

 

[Osiris]

These are nothing but the "crackling" sounds of a human dry brush fire.
Sad. Pathetic. Devoid of knowledge. Devoid of godliness.

This is what y’all allow. But my post get taken down.

 

[Osiris]

You are one of the most ignorant people I've ever had the misfortune of meeting, and you are telling people to "read"?
Christ countermanded the Law, because it wasn't God's pure will. Did God permit it? Yes. Did God really want Torah for men? No.
1. Christ countermands Torah
A. On Divorce
Matthew 5:31“Now it was said, ‘WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY IS TO GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE’; 32but I say to you that everyone who [x]divorces his wife, except for the reason of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a [y]divorced woman commits adultery.
B. On Vows
33“Again, you have heard that [z]the ancients were told, ‘[aa]YOU SHALL NOT [ab]MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR [ac]VOWS TO THE LORD.’ 34But I say to you, take no oath at all, neither by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35nor by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, nor [ad]by Jerusalem, for it is THE CITY OF THE GREAT KING. 36Nor shall you take an oath by your head, for you cannot make a single hair white or black. 37But make sure your statement is, ‘[ae]Yes, yes’ or ‘No, no’; anything beyond these is [af]of evil origin.
C. On Revenge and Relationships
38“You have heard that it was said, ‘EYE FOR EYE, and TOOTH FOR TOOTH.’ 39But I say to you, do not show opposition against an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other toward him also. 40And if anyone wants to sue you and take your [ag]tunic, let him have your [ah]cloak also. 41Whoever [ai]forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.
D. On Hating (eg, how you hate Whites/"Esau")
43“You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ 44But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may prove yourselves to be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Even the tax collectors, do they not do the same? 47And if you greet only your brothers and sisters, what more are you doing than others? Even the Gentiles, do they not do the same? 48Therefore you shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
E. On Divorce (Again)
Matthew 19:7They *said to Him, “Why, then, did Moses command to GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE AND SEND HER AWAY?” 8He *said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to [e]divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. 9And I say to you, whoever [f]divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman [g]commits adultery[h].”

2. Jesus's enemies, the rabbis, actually agree with Jesus (that the Torah contained concessions for wicked men, thus was not God's pure will)--read Rashi's commentary on Deuteronomy 21:11.

Nah I’m good

 

[Osiris]

You obviously haven't read the Bible. You and your movement are sad.

2 Kings 25:7
They slaughtered the sons of Zedekiah before his eyes, and put out the eyes of Zedekiah and bound him in chains and took him to Babylon.

You just want to attach me to this ideology in your mind. Give it up. You won’t catch a win on Black Hebrew Israelites because I’m not a Black Hebrew Israelite. I don’t know how people could be allowed to be this anti-Semitic unless we truly lived in a racist society. More people come from Shem in the world other than the so called white people.

 

[Osiris]

Moses's writings are "Torah"--"Torah" is the first "5", "Pentateuch".


Yeah, Law is changed.

Yet you are still going into captivity for you actions against the children of god at the end of the day.

 

[Osiris]

They're a Black Supremacist hate group.
They say Whites can't be saved because Jesus only died for (Black) Jews.
They're very ignorant but very loud.
They try to scare people.
They lie about God by saying God hates and God won't save and God condemns.
In reality God is love.

You have no understanding of who the Jews and Israel is ? Or Judah and Ephraim and what that means throughout scripture as well. This isn’t a fairytale book it’s my culture. I’d appreciate y’all going to read dr Seuss or something like this if you want to not be confounded

Romans 9:3
were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Romans 11:1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Romans 9:19 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,

 

[michaelvpardo]

you mean the “Jewish” people in the land of Israel are the true Jews? When did the Jews have to do endure this curse ? I’m just asking for a friend.
Deu 28:36 - The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nationwhich neither thou nor thy fathershave known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.

That would be the assyrian and Babylonian captivities. The Assyrians removed the Northern tribes of Israel first, then the Babylonians removed the tribes of Judah and Benjamin in the days of Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon.

 

[kcnalp]

You are a racist. What is blacks? I never defined myself as such. And your completely illiterate on top of biblically illiterate. Who are the blacks ? What’s the history of blacks ? You see how white supremacy has committed cultural genocide on a whole nation of people. And then try to propagate some false identity on to us. And still they deny we are the children of the true living god. Surely the day will come when you realize your fathers as well as you have inherited lies.

You're trying to stir up racism that doesn't exit, just like the Satanic media!

 

[Osiris]

That would be the assyrian and Babylonian captivities. The Assyrians removed the Northern tribes of Israel first, then the Babylonians removed the tribes of Judah and Benjamin in the days of Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon.

That isn’t my point of the question. I’m talking about the Jewish people of today. But I’ll concede my point if you believe those are the real Jews. However where did they worship wood and stone? And it say a nation which you nor your fathers have known. The forefathers of Israel knew of the Babylonians

 

[Osiris]

You're trying to stir up racism that doesn't exit, just like the Satanic media!

That doesn’t exit? And I’m addressing someone calling me out of my name and saying I’m “ black” and then referring to my people as blacks and I’m reiterating that this not my culture and to not address me as such. There is no such thing as black nation. So stop the gaslighting and you are perpetuating white supremacy is what that does. Polarizing the people is what is being done when you minimalize my culture to just saying blacks

 

[kcnalp]

That doesn’t exit?

That's right. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and blaming whites.

And I’m addressing someone calling me out of my name and saying I’m “ black” and then referring to my people as blacks and I’m reiterating that this not my culture and to not address me as such. There is no such thing as black nation. So stop the gaslighting and you are perpetuating white supremacy is what that does. Polarizing the people is what is being done when you minimalize my culture to just saying blacks

You're the only one who mentioned "white supremacy".