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That's right. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and blaming whites.

You're the only who mentioned "white supremacy".
I’m not blaming anyone why is someone calling out of my name? Yeah and that guy or you was the first to call me Black and I don’t identify for the 12th time . Why call me black ? I said I’m a Hebrew Israelite.
 

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That's right. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and blaming whites.

You're the only who mentioned "white supremacy".
You seem simple you don’t have to say the word white supremacy to be operating under the tenants of white supremacy but stay on topic.
 

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Jesus Christ was a Nazarene. (Luke 2:1-2)

Nazarene is a title used to describe people from the city of Nazareth in the New Testament (there is no mention of either Nazareth or Nazarene in the Old Testament), and is a title applied to Jesus, who, according to the New Testament, grew up in Nazareth, a town in Galilee, now in northern Israel.

He was born of the seed of David; as an offspring from Abrahams Linage (Matthew 1:1).
 

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That isn’t my point of the question. I’m talking about the Jewish people of today. But I’ll concede my point if you believe those are the real Jews. However where did they worship wood and stone? And it say a nation which you nor your fathers have known. The forefathers of Israel knew of the Babylonians
The gods of all the nations in the Mediterranean worshipped idols of wood and stone. The book of Daniel tells us that the entire population of Babylon had to bow down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar had erected for his glory (such idols were hammered gold over wood, pure gold would've collapsed under it's own weight given the size of the idol). That population included a large number of Jews and the scripture tells us that only 3 of them refused to bow down.
 

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Jesus Christ was a Nazarene. (Luke 2:1-2)

Nazarene is a title used to describe people from the city of Nazareth in the New Testament (there is no mention of either Nazareth or Nazarene in the Old Testament), and is a title applied to Jesus, who, according to the New Testament, grew up in Nazareth, a town in Galilee, now in northern Israel.

He was born of the seed of David; as an offspring from Abrahams Linage (Matthew 1:1).
Yes he was a Nazarene
Jesus was born in Bethlehem Judaea, which is in Israel of antiquity. He is a Israelite from the tribe of Judah from the seed of David. His fathers being of the line of Abraham , Isaac, and Jacob .
 

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The gods of all the nations in the Mediterranean worshipped idols of wood and stone. The book of Daniel tells us that the entire population of Babylon had to bow down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar had erected for his glory (such idols were hammered gold over wood, pure gold would've collapsed under it's own weight given the size of the idol). That population included a large number of Jews and the scripture tells us that only 3 of them refused to bow down.
Both kingdoms ?
 

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Both kingdoms ?
The kingdom of Israel after the split between Rehoboam and Jeroboam was removed into captivity by the Assyrians and the bible gives no examples of what became of those tribes. They were already worshipping idols from the start of the Northern kingdom because Jeroboam built his own temple in Bethel and set up a golden calf to be worshipped as the god of Israel. The temple in Jerusalem had already been completed by Rehoboam's father, Solomon, and the law of Moses required that all Israel come to the assemblies there, but Jeroboam wanted his own temple and priesthood so that Israel wouldn't have to answer to Rehoboam's priests (the priests were the judges over all legal matters). After the reign of Jeroboam, most of Israel's kings allowed or even participated in the worship of the Baals and other gods of the Canaanites. Presumably when taken into captivity they only continued to worship foreign gods.
 

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It's not my intention to pour fuel on the fire, but the Falashas, a black people of Ethiopian origin were officially accepted as legitimate Jews and granted Israeli Citizenship in 1975. Most have since emigrated to Israel from Ethiopia to avoid persecution by the Ethiopian Christians (they have a long history of civil war which according to their tradition was over the possession of the ark of the covenant which is supposedly kept in a small sanctuary at St. Mary of Zion church in Axum, Ethiopia.)
What do think the lord feel about Ethiopians ?
9 Therefore as I live, saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, Surely Moab shall be as Sodom, and the children of Ammon as Gomorrah, even the breeding of nettles, and saltpits, and a perpetual desolation: the residue of my people shall spoil them, and the remnant of my people shall possess them.

10 This shall they have for their pride, because they have reproached and magnified themselves against the people of the Lord of hosts.

11 The Lord will be terrible unto them: for he will famish all the gods of the earth; and men shall worship him, every one from his place, even all the isles of the heathen.

12 Ye Ethiopians also, ye shall be slain by my sword.
 

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Akiane Kramirik painted this when she was 8 years old..she had atheist parents and at the age of 4, started seeing visions of heaven, Jesus and angels. She is a prodigy, gifted by God.
Colton Burpo, at age 4, while he was being operated on in the hospital, claimws he went to heaven. He saw Jesus, angels, his Grandpa and miscarried sister he never knew about and saw his father praying and arguing with God in the Chapel and himself on the operating table.
As his father (a Pastor himself) was skeptical about his story, he was curious to know what Jesus looked like; so he gathered numerous historical paintings of Jesus, portrayals and as he showed his son he would ask, "Is this what He looked like?" "How about this one?" One after another, his son answered no. Finally he hears of this amazing young artist, Akiana Kramirik and showed him the above painting. Colton said that was him. It's also interesting thay when His Dad tried to verify what Pop looked like, he would show him photos of him old with glasses on and his son would say, "No, that's not him, nobody wears glasses in heaven and nobody is old. So his Dad got a young photo of Pop and showed him. He said said, Yep, that's him.
 
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What do think the lord feel about Ethiopians ?
9 Therefore as I live, saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, Surely Moab shall be as Sodom, and the children of Ammon as Gomorrah, even the breeding of nettles, and saltpits, and a perpetual desolation: the residue of my people shall spoil them, and the remnant of my people shall possess them.

10 This shall they have for their pride, because they have reproached and magnified themselves against the people of the Lord of hosts.

11 The Lord will be terrible unto them: for he will famish all the gods of the earth; and men shall worship him, every one from his place, even all the isles of the heathen.

12 Ye Ethiopians also, ye shall be slain by my sword.
Pretty much the same as anyone else. There are lots of prophecies against nations in scripture, but very few against individuals. Salvation to eternal life isn't a national promise, but a promise to individuals. There are promises of national restorations and not just to Israel, but a national restoration is not a national salvation.
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
You'll notice that this passage doesn't say "except the Ethiopians" or "except Edom" or any of those nations that God placed under curses. We get three important points in John 3:16 about God and His Christ. God loves His creation. God begot only one son (our Lord). And God gives eternal life to those who believe in His Son. It's not the entire gospel, but it is a basic description of it.
 

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Pretty much the same as anyone else. There are lots of prophecies against nations in scripture, but very few against individuals. Salvation to eternal life isn't a national promise, but a promise to individuals. There are promises of national restorations and not just to Israel, but a national restoration is not a national salvation.
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
You'll notice that this passage doesn't say "except the Ethiopians" or "except Edom" or any of those nations that God placed under curses. We get three important points in John 3:16 about God and His Christ. God loves His creation. God begot only one son (our Lord). And God gives eternal life to those who believe in His Son. It's not the entire gospel, but it is a basic description of it.
Obadiah 1
8Shall I not in that day, saith the LORD, even destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau?

9And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter.

10For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.


15For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.

16For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.

17But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.

18And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.




Has this come to pass?

Isaiah 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.


exodus 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn

Ephesians 1:3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love



john 3:13:And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Jhn 3:14
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Jhn 3:15
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Jhn 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

understanding israel is the world without end. then you understand the everlasting covenant the LORD made with abraham through his chosen seed line . in Gen 17
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.


So we see who the world God is referring to in john 3:16 by going to precept ephesian 1:4 and isaiah 47: 17.
As far as the only begot clearly must be a term meaning his Special son , his son who is the perfect lamb without blemish. because Exodus 4:22 states that israel is God's firstborn. and in John 3:13 the context is set, just as moses lifted the serpent in the wilderness( with the israelites) even so must the son of man be lifted up (for the Israelites) Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
 

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Nah I’m good
You have a lot to say, but when you're debunked, you're not in the mood.
You know you're not following truth, then, right?
If only you would remain quiet.
The problem is you won't.
 
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You have no understanding of who the Jews and Israel is ? Or Judah and Ephraim and what that means throughout scripture as well. This isn’t a fairytale book it’s my culture. I’d appreciate y’all going to read dr Seuss or something like this if you want to not be confounded

Romans 9:3
were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Romans 11:1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Romans 9:19 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
Heh, what ever it is, it's definitely not you.
Deuteronomy 28 wasn't about you.
As always, you're uninterested in truth when it intrudes on your false beliefs

I never characterized so called white people or even said it in this post to someone else I might add. Asking him questions as to why he is calling me black when I never identified as such.
Don't tell me you think "identification" makes it so?
"I 'identify' as a steamroller. I always knew I was different as a child."
"I 'identify' as a kitty cat. I always knew I was different as a child."
"I 'identify' as a _____. I always knew I was different as a child."
You're not Black? What else did you plan on being?
What planet are we living on?
As always, you're uninterested in truth when it intrudes on your false beliefs

This conversation was in reference to them being called of their father the devil. If you believe the devil in that verse is the Satan that is a serpent. Then that would confuse you to thinking Satan is a man. Yet Satan is a spiritual demon who works through devils. “ ye are of your father the devil means “ ye are of deceivers
You want to deny "satan" and "devil" are one and the same.
Revelation 12:9 has corrected your error.
As always, you're uninterested in truth when it intrudes on your false beliefs.

...And don’t you think Paul was stating that we were under the law and through knowing the law we know sin. For sin is the transgression of the law. ... Christ did not do away with the law...
Jesus did not change the law
... And as far as changing the law...
Christ countermanded the Law, because it wasn't God's pure will. Did God permit it? Yes. Did God really want Torah for men? No.
1. Christ countermands Torah
A. On Divorce
Matthew 5:31“Now it was said, ‘WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY IS TO GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE’; 32but I say to you that everyone who [x]divorces his wife, except for the reason of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a [y]divorced woman commits adultery.
B. On Vows
33“Again, you have heard that [z]the ancients were told, ‘[aa]YOU SHALL NOT [ab]MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR [ac]VOWS TO THE LORD.’ 34But I say to you, take no oath at all, neither by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35nor by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, nor [ad]by Jerusalem, for it is THE CITY OF THE GREAT KING. 36Nor shall you take an oath by your head, for you cannot make a single hair white or black. 37But make sure your statement is, ‘[ae]Yes, yes’ or ‘No, no’; anything beyond these is [af]of evil origin.
C. On Revenge and Relationships
38“You have heard that it was said, ‘EYE FOR EYE, and TOOTH FOR TOOTH.’ 39But I say to you, do not show opposition against an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other toward him also. 40And if anyone wants to sue you and take your [ag]tunic, let him have your [ah]cloak also. 41Whoever [ai]forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.
D. On Hating (eg, how you hate Whites/"Esau")
43“You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ 44But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may prove yourselves to be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Even the tax collectors, do they not do the same? 47And if you greet only your brothers and sisters, what more are you doing than others? Even the Gentiles, do they not do the same? 48Therefore you shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
E. On Divorce (Again)
Matthew 19:7They *said to Him, “Why, then, did Moses command to GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE AND SEND HER AWAY?” 8He *said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to [e]divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. 9And I say to you, whoever [f]divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman [g]commits adultery[h].”

2. Jesus's enemies, the rabbis, actually agree with Jesus (that the Torah contained concessions for wicked men, thus was not God's pure will)--read Rashi's commentary on Deuteronomy 21:11.

As always, you're uninterested in truth when it intrudes on your false beliefs.
 

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Sure hope you aren't trying to base your supposed "Jewishness" on Deuteronomy 28:68--there are no lexicons you can resort to that prove it spoke of you, since the guys who preserved the Hebrew language, who taught it in our Universities, who are at the roots of our lexicons, the Jews (here, in the West--and especially in America--that would have been, to a great extent, Ashkenazic Jewry), have already interpreted the Hebrew for you :

Deuteronomy 28:68
And the Lord will bring you back to Egypt in ships, through the way about which I had said to you, You will never see it again. And there, you will seek to be sold to your enemies for slaves and handmaids, but there will be no buyer.

Leaving the first parts--you didn't go to Egypt, but America, and you didn't go "back" anywhere, and God never said "you will never see America again", and Moses never delivered you from America--aside:
1. Blacks were FORCED into slavery--they didn't SEEK TO BE SOLD
2. Blacks were ENSLAVED here--there WERE buyers.

Never said I was a Jew, what I said was one of the tribes, and since it's a fact that not all 12 tribes are Jewish you can kill the first part of your response

Now for your second part

If you read my post you should have seen that I was not sure ,however the evidence can't be denied.

Please read from the below link and maybe you would understand how I feel

Indisputable proof that the original Israeli Jews were Black

Please note that I'm not in total agreement with the site
 

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Never said I was a Jew, what I said was one of the tribes, and since it's a fact that not all 12 tribes are Jewish you can kill the first part of your response
Semantics.
I'm not changing how I refer to them.
You want to say you're a Jew--you're not.

Now for your second part

If you read my post you should have seen that I was not sure ,however the evidence can't be denied.

Please read from the below link and maybe you would understand how I feel

Indisputable proof that the original Israeli Jews were Black

Please note that I'm not in total agreement with the site
Deuteronomy 28 didn't refer to the Blacks brought here.
That was my argument to you.
Did you have a response?
Don't tell me go fish your answer for you.
You do your own fishing, you bring it here, you make your argument.
 

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That doesn’t exit? And I’m addressing someone calling me out of my name and saying I’m “ black” and then referring to my people as blacks and I’m reiterating that this not my culture and to not address me as such. There is no such thing as black nation. So stop the gaslighting and you are perpetuating white supremacy is what that does. Polarizing the people is what is being done when you minimalize my culture to just saying blacks
Cool, then you show us how it's done and stop talking about "Whites" and "Esau".
 

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This conversation was in reference to them being called of their father the devil. If you believe the devil in that verse is the Satan that is a serpent. Then that would confuse you to thinking Satan is a man. Yet Satan is a spiritual demon who works through devils. “ ye are of your father the devil means “ ye are of deceivers

Gotcha , however that was not a snake in the Garden it was satan himself . Ye are of your father in my understanding is literal , with that said know that I believe in the serpent seed doctrine ,that's why I say literal.

The kenites are the son's of Cain , ie they are the bad figs that returned to form that nation state of Israel ,those that call themselves Jew's, but are not, as per Rev

Another thing , satan is called a man in scripture