Bible alone

[theefaith]

Zoe is my wife and she is wise. I listen to her when she makes sense, and she makes sense quite often.

Nonetheless, Jesus told you not to allow someone to call you "rabbi". Why? Because all of those in Christ are brothers, i.e. of equal status. We have no superiors. We only have one superior and his name is Jesus.

We have teachers, we have mentors, we have mature Christians to help guide us. Yes, but they are NOT our superiors. They encourage us, they guide us, they help us see the long view. But we learn from them as one brother to another, not as superior to inferior. And most importantly, we take their advice and encouragement ONLY insofar as our elder brothers have given us advice consistent with the teaching of our Lord and Master Jesus Christ.

The Catholic Church is not the church of Christ. Not even close.

Zoe no! Apostles yes!
Acts 2;42

 

[theefaith]

so in order to remain in grace do you disobey the law?

no the law does not apply to Christians

Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

 

[theefaith]

so in order to remain in grace do you disobey the law?

do you like this prayer?
Hallowed be thy name expanded really


May the most holy, most sacred, most adorable, most incomprehensible and unutterable Name of God be always praised, blessed, loved, adored and glorified in Heaven, on earth, by all the creatures of God, Amen.

 

[theefaith]

Zoe is my wife and she is wise. I listen to her when she makes sense, and she makes sense quite often.

Nonetheless, Jesus told you not to allow someone to call you "rabbi". Why? Because all of those in Christ are brothers, i.e. of equal status. We have no superiors. We only have one superior and his name is Jesus.

We have teachers, we have mentors, we have mature Christians to help guide us. Yes, but they are NOT our superiors. They encourage us, they guide us, they help us see the long view. But we learn from them as one brother to another, not as superior to inferior. And most importantly, we take their advice and encouragement ONLY insofar as our elder brothers have given us advice consistent with the teaching of our Lord and Master Jesus Christ.

The Catholic Church is not the church of Christ. Not even close.

kinda sounds backwards to me:
Wives submit to your husbands

 

[Wrangler]

Because all of those in Christ are brothers, i.e. of equal status. We have no superiors. We only have one superior and his name is Jesus.

Well said. theefath does not want to accept his denomination's lack of authority.

 

[Wrangler]

The Catholic Church is not the church of Christ. Not even close.

Profound. I now look at people in the Catholic Church as being victims of an oppresive regime. Sad as I was raised Catholic and detected the absence of the Spirit from the get go.

 

[CadyandZoe]

kinda sounds backwards to me:
Wives submit to your husbands

In the context of that quote, Paul is exhorting those in Christ to live in a manner worthy of the Gospel. When he instructs wives to submit to their husbands, his instruction isn't new. Wives have always submitted to husbands, especially in that culture. Rather, he is talking to Christians who are finding new freedom in Christ and as he wrote in his epistle to the Galatians, "In Christ there is neither male, nor female; slave or freeman; Jew or Gentile." In that context, Paul is saying, that wives are not free of their husbands. Anyway, when a wife submits to her husband, as unto Christ, he honors both her husband and Jesus Christ.

Paul also instructs husbands to love their wives. And love demands that I treat Zoe with the dignity and respect that all those made in the image of God deserve. In light of this, I always hear my wife and seriously consider whatever she says and when she is right, to acknowledge the truth of what she says.

Remember, belief authority is not found in any person except Jesus Christ. Belief authority is found in the truth of the message. The truth has no sex or gender and truth should be believed no matter who says it.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Profound. I now look at people in the Catholic Church as being victims of an oppresive regime. Sad as I was raised Catholic and detected the absence of the Spirit from the get go.

I'm glad you found an exit. Maybe you are in a good position to sympathize with them, having once been one of them?

 

[theefaith]

Well said. theefath does not want to accept his denomination's lack of authority.

husband and wife are equal too but have very different roles
Husband is the provider and head of the family
Wife is the nurturing mother the heart of the family
The family revived around her and gets its identity from her
Even Joseph is known in scripture as the husband of Mary
And Jesus is the son of Mary!

Matt 1:16 and 19

all are one in Christ in His church equal
But have very different roles


What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

 

[theefaith]

I'm glad you found an exit. Maybe you are in a good position to sympathize with them, having once been one of them?

I'm glad you found an exit. Maybe you are in a good position to sympathize with them, having once been one of them?

One church Jn 10:16

jn 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.


1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)
The holy church founded by Christ is the ark of salvation!

 

[CadyandZoe]

Lk 1:4 applies to us
We must be instructed

not read the Bible for yourself and make your own doctrine

On the contrary, Luke is saying the opposite of what you are saying. He wrote his gospel to Theophilus so that, having a written record of the gospel, Theophilus might be instructed by the written word. This same thing applies to us today. We have the written word of God so that we might read it and come to a knowledge of the truth.
The Catholic Church, on the other hand, has innovated false doctrine and enforced it with violence and intimidation.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Christ and his church are one acts 9:4

Persecution?

the church must teach what Christ has revealed

We don't need a church to teach us what Christ revealed. We have a written record of what he revealed.

Matt 28:19 nations need to be taught disciples need baptism

Jesus sent the 12 to make disciples in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who provided future generation with a written record of what Jesus taught. As long as we have the scriptures, and the Holy Spirit, we have the apostles with us.

Jesus is the final priest. Let no man be deceived into thinking that other priests are necessary.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Zoe no! Apostles yes!
Acts 2;42

It would both evil and stupid to ignore the truth, no matter the source.

 

[CadyandZoe]

One church Jn 10:16

The One Church is NOT the Catholic church brother. Come out of her.

 

[theefaith]

In the context of that quote, Paul is exhorting those in Christ to live in a manner worthy of the Gospel. When he instructs wives to submit to their husbands, his instruction isn't new. Wives have always submitted to husbands, especially in that culture. Rather, he is talking to Christians who are finding new freedom in Christ and as he wrote in his epistle to the Galatians, "In Christ there is neither male, nor female; slave or freeman; Jew or Gentile." In that context, Paul is saying, that wives are not free of their husbands. Anyway, when a wife submits to her husband, as unto Christ, he honors both her husband and Jesus Christ.

Paul also instructs husbands to love their wives. And love demands that I treat Zoe with the dignity and respect that all those made in the image of God deserve. In light of this, I always hear my wife and seriously consider whatever she says and when she is right, to acknowledge the truth of what she says.

Remember, belief authority is not found in any person except Jesus Christ. Belief authority is found in the truth of the message. The truth has no sex or gender and truth should be believed no matter who says it.

truth is not something but somebody, Jesus Christ! Of course

Jn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

but Christ and His church are one acts 9:4
1 Tim 3:15 the church is the pillar of truth


Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Without a central authority there can be no unity of the spirit, no obedience to the faith!
God - Christ - Peter - the apostles - the apostles successors - the people

The nature of the church is authority in hierarchy producing order!
Unity of the truth (thee faith) and the spirit!

No belief authority in persons?
Really!

Matt 5:14
Ye (the apostles/ the church) are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
(There is only one church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors!) matt 16:18 Jn 10:16 eph 2:20

 

[theefaith]

On the contrary, Luke is saying the opposite of what you are saying. He wrote his gospel to Theophilus so that, having a written record of the gospel, Theophilus might be instructed by the written word. This same thing applies to us today. We have the written word of God so that we might read it and come to a knowledge of the truth.
The Catholic Church, on the other hand, has innovated false doctrine and enforced it with violence and intimidation.

man example please?
Mary mother of God? Lk 1:43

acts 8 the eunuch had scripture but the spirit send an apostle to instruct him

how can I unless some man GUIDE me?

how does he know about baptism?
Scripture alone can’t save, the church and apostles are necessary
Philip the apostle Baptised him

 

[theefaith]

Persecution?
We don't need a church to teach us what Christ revealed. We have a written record of what he revealed.
Jesus sent the 12 to make disciples in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who provided future generation with a written record of what Jesus taught. As long as we have the scriptures, and the Holy Spirit, we have the apostles with us.

Jesus is the final priest. Let no man be deceived into thinking that other priests are necessary.

spiritual anarchy!
Spiritual blindness!
Spiritual fundamentalism!

Christ is high priest therefore there must be low priests of the same ministering order

 

[theefaith]

It would both evil and stupid to ignore the truth, no matter the source.

Jn 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. not some silly woman
God never established hierarchical authority in women

 

[theefaith]

The One Church is NOT the Catholic church brother. Come out of her.

her as in mother?
Holy mother church gal 4:26

then tell me what is, remember it must be founded by Christ Matt 16:18 the one fold Jn 10:16 universal Jn 1:29 Jn 3:16
And apostolic eph 2:20

there is only one option brother

 

[Wrangler]

I'm glad you found an exit. Maybe you are in a good position to sympathize with them, having once been one of them?

There are 3 types of Catholics and 2 deserves sympathy. I used to be a casual catholic.

1. Cultural Catholic (attend wedding's & funerals, maybe major holidays) - sympathize
2. Casual Catholic (attend regularly but don't put it on others) - sympathize
3. Proselyting Catholics (know RCC usurps Christ's authority but pushes in on people anyway) - anti-Christ