Microchips Under the Skin

[JohnDB]

wasn't it an attitude that saved the Israelites at Ezekiel 9:4


I don't believe this microchip to be even related to the mark of the beast.
I was simply explaining that in the scriptures a man with an inkhorn was told to go putting a mark on those who were sighing and groaning over the detestable and disgusting things going on in Israel then other men were told to follow that man with the inkhorn and kill all those in the city of Jerusalem except the ones who the man with the inkhorn marked, they were to let those live. This was a vision that Ezekiel had concerning Israel. Ezekiel 9:1-11
The point is these people in Israel did not literally receive a literal mark. The fact they were sighing and groaning over the detestable things being done was the mark.

And the Crux of your point is a decent point... well reasoned as Revelation is a highly metaphoric book of prophesy.

The manner that the Israelites were marked is unique and not the same word as the one in Revelations...which is the Greek/Early Latin word for coin stamping. Coin stamping was done to ensure the money had a verified amount of silver or gold in it. Verified by the King's/Governor's/Caesar's treasury. Any other money with no stamp or something else was suspicious of value... other metals might be mixed in or the weight might be off.
As you can see in the picture below the coin was placed in between and struck...the image would then be placed on the two sides and the coin was always uneven...one side thicker than the other.

 

[Wrangler]

Do you think you deserve to simply be believed, and should not have to back up what you claim?

Friend, it is not about me. It is about following the wisdom in the Bible - through faith not proof.

A prudent person foresees danger and takes precautions. The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.
Proverbs 22:3

To what claim do you refere?

The claim that there is no risk to our soul to go down the path toward accepting the mark of the beast.

 

[Wrangler]

I don't believe this microchip to be even related to the mark of the beast.
I was simply explaining that in the scriptures a man with an inkhorn was told to go putting a mark on those who were sighing and groaning over the detestable and disgusting things going on in Israel then other men were told to follow that man with the inkhorn and kill all those in the city of Jerusalem except the ones who the man with the inkhorn marked, they were to let those live. This was a vision that Ezekiel had concerning Israel. Ezekiel 9:1-11
The point is these people in Israel did not literally receive a literal mark. The fact they were sighing and groaning over the detestable things being done was the mark.

You don't have eyes to see. In your own story, they literally had a mark. For you to say they did not have a literal mark contradicts your own story.

The difference is, in your story the mark saves but in prophecy, it condemns. But you do not see the difference.

 

[Ziggy]

And the Crux of your point is a decent point... well reasoned as Revelation is a highly metaphoric book of prophesy.

The manner that the Israelites were marked is unique and not the same word as the one in Revelations...which is the Greek/Early Latin word for coin stamping. Coin stamping was done to ensure the money had a verified amount of silver or gold in it. Verified by the King's/Governor's/Caesar's treasury. Any other money with no stamp or something else was suspicious of value... other metals might be mixed in or the weight might be off.
As you can see in the picture below the coin was placed in between and struck...the image would then be placed on the two sides and the coin was always uneven...one side thicker than the other.

This reminds me when Jesus asks Peter whose inscription is on the coin...
render unto caesar what is caesars..
Mammom - money - inscription -
Is the mark.. money?
Some people all they think about day and night is money, money, money.
They are consumed with thoughts of money.
This is in the forehead where the mind is.. and in the hand to buy or sell.

If there is only digital commerce in the future, we will have to buy and sell digitally..
kind of like credit cards and debit cards..
"Master" card...
interesting..

good topic.
Hugs

 

[Earburner]

All you're doing is speaking words of men to me. I care about scripture something you're not showing me. You have no scripture that backs up that a microchip is the mark of the beast. You have no scripture that backs any of what you're saying to be true.

I am speaking scripture in paraphrase and you know it.

We are to look for God's prophetic words being fulfilled in two ways:
First, we are to search the scriptures to find Jesus, and how He fulfilled all that was prophesied about Him of His first appearance. John 5:39
Second, we are to search the scriptures to
to verify how the scriptures are being "fleshed out" by the church, as well as those who are of the world. Mat. 24:4-14.

In Rev. 13:1-9 we have the symbolic picture of the last phase of the evolved formation of the 4th 10H Beast of Daniel, which began as the Roman Empire. Its depiction in Rev. 13:2 reveals it contained the remnants of the 3 beasts before it, but had through time, evolved into the status of a global power, beyond that of military might. Because the last phase of that 10H Beast shall be ruling over all the world, having no boundaries, as did the other 3 Beasts that came before it, we are to look for HOW it is ruling, and in what manner.

Now since quite a few nations today have an enormous amount of power and the military ability to destroy the world, we must look in a different direction. The evolved 10H Beast of today, does something that no other Beast or country did or does. Its heads of leadership literally worship Lucifer, aka the dragon, who is satan.
Rev. 13[4] And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast:

So then what people, power of world authority literally worships satan/Lucifer?
Ans.The Global Financial Empire of the Global Banking Elite- the Rothchilds, Rockefellers and the JP Morgans, etc.
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THAT IS the LAST stage of the 10H Beast.
You think not? Then try understanding the words: "Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?" Rev. 13:14

 

[JohnDB]

This reminds me when Jesus asks Peter whose inscription is on the coin...
render unto caesar what is caesars..
Mammom - money - inscription -
Is the mark.. money?
Some people all they think about day and night is money, money, money.
They are consumed with thoughts of money.
This is in the forehead where the mind is.. and in the hand to buy or sell.

If there is only digital commerce in the future, we will have to buy and sell digitally..
kind of like credit cards and debit cards..
"Master" card...
interesting..

good topic.
Hugs

Money is a medium of exchange and just a tool... nothing more or less. To me, kinda like a battery powered drill.... useful for certain tasks.

Now the problem with money is that forgery is always going to be a problem.
Even these cryptocurrencies are susceptible... even though no one really wants to accept the concept. Blockchain encryption has been successfully hacked. Those bitcoins are actually more cheaply reproduced than mined these days. Especially as China has proclaimed that mining for cryptocurrency is now illegal. (Those computers use a ton of electricity and they really don't have any to spare these days)

So... even before dollars were being printed on computer printers they did it the old fashioned way with printing presses and ink...the engraving plates made out of a softer metal that is easy to engrave.

These days though...I can buy a whole sheet of one dollar bills that are uncut to use as wrapping paper.

 

[Earburner]

^ correction Rev. 13:4
No one can make war with an empire of High Finance on a global scale.
Anyone with knowledge, knows that "they should not bite the hand that feeds them."

 

[Ziggy]

Money is a medium of exchange and just a tool... nothing more or less. To me, kinda like a battery powered drill.... useful for certain tasks.

Now the problem with money is that forgery is always going to be a problem.
Even these cryptocurrencies are susceptible... even though no one really wants to accept the concept. Blockchain encryption has been successfully hacked. Those bitcoins are actually more cheaply reproduced than mined these days. Especially as China has proclaimed that mining for cryptocurrency is now illegal. (Those computers use a ton of electricity and they really don't have any to spare these days)

So... even before dollars were being printed on computer printers they did it the old fashioned way with printing presses and ink...the engraving plates made out of a softer metal that is easy to engrave.

These days though...I can buy a whole sheet of one dollar bills that are uncut to use as wrapping paper.

The only thing money has is the confidence and value of what upholds it.
It used to be gold, silver, precious metals, oil, diamonds...
Whatever it is people have to have "confidence" in it.
If you believe a diamond is just a pretty rock and holds no value, what good is it? It's just a pretty rock.
So we have to be convinced that something has value.
worth it's weight in gold, so to speak.

I believe humanity is the greatest commodity. And I think they are trying to steal it and destroy it.
They are devaluing human life at an increasing rate everyday.

What "confidence" is there in the "value" of a chip?
What backs it up? What makes it worth anything?
Only our faith in it.

thinking...
Hugs

 

[JohnDB]

All that I said before was to help understand a point...

A medium of exchange must be both secure and have high ease of usability for exchange of value.

Microchips implanted can't and won't have that. There is no technology currently available that will accomplish this. Credit cards and debit cards got so bad about being stolen that they had to insert the chip in them to make them more secure...it's helped but hasn't stopped things yet.

It's the insurance company that is driving these things...not the Government.

Russia is a prime example of what happens when a fiat currency collapses. They are on their fifth ruble (if I remember correctly) since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Currently the Euro is somewhat in trouble since the UK has left the EU. If Germany and Austria leave the Euro is toast. None of the other countries can support it due to their wanton borrowing and no means of paying it back. Greece is the ringleader of this. Also the entry point for so many middle eastern immigrants that it became impossible to find someone indigenous to certain regions of an area.

But I'm digressing.

But safe, secure, stable, and easier to use than barter is a key element to Fiat money.

And as many people have lost millions of dollars of value with cryptocurrency...a legal tender.

 

[TheslightestID]

Friend, it is not about me. It is about following the wisdom in the Bible - through faith not proof.

Of course it's about you if you are making insubstantial claims. Stop evading the questions.

The claim that there is no risk to our soul to go down the path toward accepting the mark of the beast.

And where did I make such a claim? You wanted proof of my claims, now show me the claim...quote it.

 

[Truth7t7]

The only thing money has is the confidence and value of what upholds it.
It used to be gold, silver, precious metals, oil, diamonds...
Whatever it is people have to have "confidence" in it.
If you believe a diamond is just a pretty rock and holds no value, what good is it? It's just a pretty rock.
So we have to be convinced that something has value.
worth it's weight in gold, so to speak.

I believe humanity is the greatest commodity. And I think they are trying to steal it and destroy it.
They are devaluing human life at an increasing rate everyday.

What "confidence" is there in the "value" of a chip?
What backs it up? What makes it worth anything?
Only our faith in it.

thinking...
Hugs

I fully agree that currency is based upon trust confidence in a piece of paper or commodity

Where is the currency in 3rd world countries, where no trust of stability is seen?

I believe military strength is the deciding factor, a nation that has the most gold without the ability to defend it is worthless, Iraq in their (oil) is prime example

And yes the oligarchs look at the soul of man, and control

Whatever the mark is or future worship of an image might be, it will be brought about by literal deception by the false prophet, who calls fire down from heaven, it will be
received wilfully not forced as many teach

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Very interesting. But, if we believe in God of the Bible, the God of MIRACLES, He can easily provide for His people even if no food exists. He did it for Israel. Jesus fed many with almost nothing. The problem is, many Christians are not truly convinced that God will work miracles to provide for them. I've seen miracles. I believe in the God of miracles, Jesus!

It may be that God miraculously provides food for some Christians. There is no guarantee though. He might have other plans for some of us.

 

[JohnDB]

The only thing money has is the confidence and value of what upholds it.
It used to be gold, silver, precious metals, oil, diamonds...
Whatever it is people have to have "confidence" in it.
If you believe a diamond is just a pretty rock and holds no value, what good is it? It's just a pretty rock.
So we have to be convinced that something has value.
worth it's weight in gold, so to speak.

I believe humanity is the greatest commodity. And I think they are trying to steal it and destroy it.
They are devaluing human life at an increasing rate everyday.

What "confidence" is there in the "value" of a chip?
What backs it up? What makes it worth anything?
Only our faith in it.

thinking...
Hugs

You are correct up to a point...
Cheap labor or highly skilled labor are the commodities desired. (And everything is a commodity)

We need cheap labor currently in America to help with the housing crisis. There's a huge demand for houses but not enough supply. Then housing has gone up 20% in value this past year from coast to coast on average and some places even more.

Then there's the skilled labor... also in extremely short supply. Computer programmers are not what I'm talking about...experienced Electrician, HVAC, and Enterprise Software Development and implementation people and CNC machine operators.
These sorts don't grow on trees and are in extremely short supply. They require education and hands on experience in their fields... again hard to come by.

Then there's personnel management...80% of all business failures are the result of poor management. It's really pathetic out there because effective managers are soooo hard to come by and those responsible don't know what to look for to actually find a successful manager.

At any rate...
This "mark" will employ some sort of worship that is counter to broadly established Christian principles. The "one world banking system" that has been repeated ad nauseam... nope...not gonna happen or work. Too much money fighting against that.

PRC is still unaccepting of several currencies.
Just saying.

 

[Truth7t7]

It may be that God miraculously provides food for some Christians. There is no guarantee though. He might have other plans for some of us.

There's Going To Be An End Times Persecution, The Beast And His Kingdom Are The Target Of God's Empowered (Two Witnesses)

The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected

The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees

All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal, The Sealed Church Is Protected

Revelation 9:3-6KJV
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:3-6
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

 

[Ziggy]

Pro 25:19 Confidence in an unfaithful man in time of trouble is like a broken tooth, and a foot out of joint.

We know man was created in the image and likeness of God.
What is the image and likeness of the beast?

saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast,

Men are as beasts, we have a beast system.. system run by men.

they should make an image (not of but to) the beast.

received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image.

Mat 22:17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
Mat 22:19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
Mat 22:20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
Mat 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Rome... anyway you look at it.. all roads lead to Rome.

Troubles times are coming. One will stand that many will put confidence in... and pay tribute even..

I'll stick with Peter on this:
Act 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Amen
Hugs

 

[Wrangler]

Of course it's about you if you are making insubstantial claims. Stop evading the questions.



And where did I make such a claim? You wanted proof of my claims, now show me the claim...quote it.

You believe in God but disregard his word.

 

[Earburner]

The only thing money has is the confidence and value of what upholds it.
It used to be gold, silver, precious metals, oil, diamonds...
Whatever it is people have to have "confidence" in it.
If you believe a diamond is just a pretty rock and holds no value, what good is it? It's just a pretty rock.
So we have to be convinced that something has value.
worth it's weight in gold, so to speak.

I believe humanity is the greatest commodity. And I think they are trying to steal it and destroy it.
They are devaluing human life at an increasing rate everyday.

What "confidence" is there in the "value" of a chip?
What backs it up? What makes it worth anything?
Only our faith in it.

thinking...
Hugs

When you cannot pay your rent/mortgage, put food on the table, and keep all your communication devices, you WON'T be thinking about the value of their Digitized money, but you will be thinking about having ACCESS to it and your bank account!

 

[JohnDB]

Let's put it this way...

If for some reason you needed an organ transplant and someone had one for sale...but you discovered that the organs the person sold were obtained by killing poor people in an impoverished country...do you look past your own poor health and refuse to buy the organ?
How about a product using slave/prison labor for an ingredient in the completed product?
Or how about Child Labor? Nike shoes and most baseballs have been notorious for this...so are most discount store clothes.

What about packaged salads and other fresh produce? Sugar and Chocolate are also notorious for nefarious practices.
Even Coffee has been exploited by nefarious men imposing horrible things upon their communities. Does buying these things support those practices?
Then there's the poisoning of people by using lithium batteries and aluminum.
I can't even begin to tell the stories of the long supply chains of automobiles, meat, and appliances in your home... including the device used to frequent this forum.

 

[TheslightestID]

You believe in God but disregard his word.

What part of his word do I disregard? Quote please.

Also, you said I made claims I could not back up, and when asked what claim, and for you to give me the quite of that claim, you replied:

The claim that there is no risk to our soul to go down the path toward accepting the mark of the beast.

Where is the quote where I said such a thing? If you cannot show me the quote, you have again made a claim you cannot back up.

You really do need to stop making things up to begin with, its not only very dishonest, but it makes you look bad when you try to defend what you made up.

 

[Ziggy]

When you cannot pay your rent/mortgage, put food on the table, and keep all your communication devices, you WON'T be thinking about the value of their Digitized money, but you will be thinking about having ACCESS to it and your bank account!

I'm living on the edge of that now anyways.
My disability is automatically deposited and my bills are electronically paid.
What need do I have for a chip if I never go to the bank?

I still think it's propaganda.. we will all fall for it, whatever it is,
unless one is awake and spiritually discerning.

I have no doubt in my mind, that whatever it is, it has to do with faith.
Without faith you will not see God.
Faith is the silver cord that keeps us united.
This, whatever it is, is faithlessness..

We're in for a hell of a journey...
Pray we don't need to wander it for 40 more years..
Hugs