Christians - Remember the Fallen as VICTIMS, not Heroes of War!

[APAK]

The title of this thread would seem to suddenly incite anger, strong emotions, thoughts and words of immediate retaliation drawn from deep personal patriotism against it. And it really should not be that way, especially if you are a mature believer in Christ.

We know the difference. or we think we do, between the will of God and the will of men, and ultimately all about wars, that are for Satan's will and his generational wars against humanity, in particular the children of God.

All wars not derived and executed by the Almighty, is clearly evil.

Satan has duped even Christians into trading their wills to serve God, and into serving evil by, as one tool and trick, inventing devices based on his fallen spirit, psychological operations; with all of its heart-touching and wrenching emotional words and phrases that connote the goodness in natural man. Some of these are accompanied and echoed in the background as words such as Patriotism, Christian nation, Democracy, Republicanism and Flag and Apple Pie. Folks love to join a 'just' and 'good' cause and be a part of something bigger than them, aye?

When a young man volunteers to goes off to war to support their nation's interests, unconcerned or ignorant that it is derived from their government, they still go without complaint and usually with zeal. They go as potential victims of Satan, even as Christians.

Most are duped into thinking they are saving their country, their way of life etc., against a contrived and false enemy outside of their national political boundaries. It is the Arabs, the Palestinians, the Russians, the Chinese, the Iranians and so on. It is ironic that national governments conceal the evil within themselves and known enemies lurking, destroying the fabric of their own society, operating within the gates of their national homeland.

I predict the last phase of Satan's wars will turn into the direct attack on Christians, more visibly, opening and undeniably; his real human enemy. And Satan has always used his hateful and loyal human foot soldiers for this purpose. And for the last few hundreds years at least, these are the real impersonators of ethnic Israel and 'Jews' projected on the world. They possess the same hateful, the same human evil spirit as Cain and the Pharisaic Rabbis. They are bloody thirsty killers of today and they mean to kill off Christianity once and for all!

For the really discerned and mature Christian, there is never any war hero, only and always victims of Satan's psychological operations and wars.

For the world, and the unsaved however, those lost, without an oar and anchor, they go to and fro believing in every aspect of a new announced psychological operation, a new Satanic war. This is another new, real full scale spiritual war, on a grand and open scale. WWI and WWI are examples. And they feel 'warm,' patriotic and 'good' as they serve the brotherhood of selfish men and not Christ, nor his ekklesia, and ultimately not the Father of all mankind. They see 'their dead' as war heroes, providing loyal glorification, pomp and displays and medals of courage etc., and including pray to God for their heroism!

And so, who do they really glorify and serve may I ask, self, their nation, certainty not their Creator? It is really Satan!

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Added as my second post is a raw and not so common article on this subject. For some, it's 'old hat'..

I do hope those set on, or hung up on a Zionism, leading to a future 'saved' ethnic Israel, would just set those thoughts aside for a bit and really understand that many of these Zionists and enthusiastic supporters are really serving Satan, his foot soldiers on earth. Of those on the common lower rungs of the economic and social ladders who support Zionism, they are not the real threats of Christianity. They are definitely agitators and a drag for Christians.

The real threat is the powerful and the rich modern day neo-Pharisee calling themselves Zionist Jews or strict orthodox homeland Israelis. They are our real enemies, of Christianity. They have many useful idiots who think they are in the 'inner circle.' These are the front 'outer circle' faces we see in the media, finance, economics, in government and science today.

The enemies masquerade as Big Bankers, Political advisors, intel officers and agents, Heads of most media, medicine, school systems, law, justice, DoD civilian heads, entertainment industry, food industry and heavily involved in most high tech, and of course in all governments guiding them to their own paths.

Blessing in Christ from the Father, to those that love and know him and expect eternal life.

APAK

 

[APAK]

War Dead are Victims, Not Heroes
May 30, 2021



Monday May 31 is Memorial Day in the US-

Memorial Day normalizes war, the same war that Satanists have waged against God and man for centuries.
All wars are psyops. COVID is far from their largest psy-op. It's small potatoes compared to World War One, World War Two, the Cold War, Korea, and Vietnam. All of these were staged by Illuminati bankers to degrade and destroy Christian civilization and to sacrifice millions of humans to Satan. If we consider the war dead as "heroes" rather than victims of a diabolical conspiracy, we are not honoring them. We are condoning their murder.

I urge you to watch this interview with Professor Anthony Sutton. In it, he explains that Wall Street financed Hitler and the Nazi war machine and provided indispensable technology. Wall Street also funded the Bolshevik revolution, literally built the USSR and supplied it with nuclear bomb technology.

"Capitalism and Communism are identical," Sutton says, a truth we are discovering today, to our consternation. Far from being free, we are mice in a laboratory run by psychopaths.

A world-Communist state has always been their goal.

My annual Memorial Day article -- War is a tragic hoax. The covid hoax is but another example of the long-term Cabalist war on humanity.
Wars are the closest thing to hell on earth. What do you expect? They are devised by Satanists. Why do we accept them as natural and inevitable? Why do we perpetuate the myth that soldiers were "defending our freedom" when in fact wars are designed to sacrifice them to Satan and deprive us of our freedom?

In the Red Symphony, Illuminati Jewish insider Christian Rakovsky stated "Wars are revolutionary"
"Revolution" really means, "overturning" Western civilization. Replacing God with Lucifer. "Christianity is our only real enemy since all the political and economic phenomena of the bourgeois states are only its consequences," Rakovsky, says.
Peace is "counter-revolutionary" since it is war that paves the way for revolution. Revolution really means, overturning Western civilization. Thus, war is a self-destructive enterprise contrived by folks who want to degrade and enslave us.

(Updated from last year)
By Henry Makow Ph.D.


When the US and England loaned Mexico money in 1903 using its customs revenue as collateral, Illuminati banker Jacob Schiff cabled his English counterpart, Ernest Cassel: "If they don't pay, who will collect the customs?"

(For nitpickers, yes he actually said this.)

Cassel replied: "Your marines and ours." (The Life of Otto Kahn, p. 22)

Marine General Smedley Butler (1881-1940) confirmed that he was "a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers."

In War is a Racket (1935) he wrote: "I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China, I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested."

Flash forward to 2011 when NATO fomented and led a mission in Libya, one of only four countries that didn't have a Rothschild central bank. Now Libya does. They don't call it imperialism anymore. They call it "Our mission in Libya." Soldiers aren't mercenaries; they are "missionaries." Now they're after Syria, North Korea, and Iran, three of the four remaining countries without a Rothschild central bank

CENTRAL BANKERS ARE BEHIND ALL WARS

All wars are organized by the Illuminati bankers to collect or incur debt, kill goyim, plunder or profit, and to advance their program for Masonic Jewish "world government" tyranny. They appeal to our patriotism to sucker us in. We are told we are fighting to "preserve freedom" when the opposite is actually the case.

So how should we regard the war dead?

I regard their lives as cut short tragically in a bogus cause. They are human sacrifices, dupes and mercenaries. We have all been duped for a very long time. That gives Memorial Day a taint of pathos and cynicism.

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[APAK]

WORLD WAR TWO

While we were losing fathers and sons, Allied and Nazi central bankers were sitting shoulder-to-shoulder in Basel at the Bank of International Settlements (BIS) mainly financing the Nazis.

The BIS handed the Nazis the national treasure of Czechoslovakia, Holland, and Belgium to ensure the war could go on. This gold, worth $378 million at the time, was the basis of loans to the Nazis and was never returned.

The BIS accepted and stored Nazi plunder -- art, diamonds and precious metals including dental gold and wedding ring from concentration camp inmates.

The US Federal Reserve, the Banks of England, France, Italy, Japan and the Reichsbank were all members of the BIS. The Nazi Reichsbank had most seats but the BIS President was a Rockefeller factotum Thomas H. McKittrick (1889-1970). (Significantly he has no Wikipedia entry.)


"CHANGING THE WORLD" MEANS HAVING A WORLD WAR

(Thomas McKittrick, left)

Questioned by a US Treasury Dept official in March 1945, McKittrick said that the war had been a charade all along, with Germany taking the fall.

Asked why the BIS worked with the Nazis, he replied, "In the complicated German financial setup, certain men who have their central bankers' point of view, are in very strategic positions and can influence the conduct of the German government..."

Then he spelled it out, albeit in a euphemism. The war's purpose was to reposition Germany in the banker New World Order:

"McKittrick went on to say that there was a little group of financiers who had felt from the beginning that Germany would lose the war; that after defeat, they might emerge to shape Germany's destiny. That they would "maintain their contacts and trust with other important banking elements so that they would be in a stronger position in the postwar world to negotiate loans for the reconstruction of Germany."

The quotation above is from Charles Higham's mind-blowing book, Trading With the Enemy, 1983, p. 37. (See excerpts here)

These bankers controlled a Who's Who of corporations that had factories in occupied Europe that underpinned the Nazi war effort and profited handsomely.

Ford, General Motors, Standard Oil and ITT provided the Nazis with essential trucks, airplane engines, materiel, and technology, often giving the Nazis preference during shortages. In a telling example, the Allies bombed a ball bearing plant in Germany only to have the stock replaced by a factory in Pennsylvania (via Sweden.)

Higham refers to these bankers as "the fraternity." They are the Illuminati.

An earlier set of bankers masterminded World War One and kept it going. But you get the picture. All wars are really waged by the Luciferian central bankers against humanity, i.e "the goyim."

In 1916, almost 1.2 million British, French and German soldiers died or were maimed in the Battle of the Somme alone. They were the cream of their generation. The British national debt multiplied tenfold.

By participating in any war, we are accomplices in our own destruction. They are sacrificing us to their God Satan.

The military is catching on too. A recent poll found that only 34 percent of U.S. veterans of the post-9/11 military believed that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were worth fighting. US soldiers now generally say they are fighting "for their buddies" not for their country.

CONCLUSION

We cannot honor the war dead without recognizing that, like us, they have been duped. Otherwise, we perpetuate the sinister power which holds us prisoner.

Ultimately, the New World Order is about replacing the rule of God with the rule of Lucifer. That's why "God" has become a dirty word. War is the principle means by which Lucifer's disciples, the Cabalist (satanist) central bankers, "change the world."

They have erected a police state behind the facade of freedom. We don't know this because our leaders in government, education, and media are witting or unwitting participants. Treason to God and country is a prerequisite for success in many fields, more so than ever today.

If honoring the war dead means perpetuating a cycle of endless war, we must stop. Better to honor the dead by abolishing wars. We can do this by nationalizing private central banks and making the bankers answer for their crimes.

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[APAK]

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Related -Remembrance Day Exposed

----------War is Big Business- N Korea and Ukraine, and Syria Keep the Dollars Rolling In
Makow - Freemasons Slaughtered Christians in WW1
-----------Pat Tillman - Hero or Dupe?
--------- World War Two in the Paciifc- Totally Avoidable
--------------World War One -First Christian Holocaust
------------- How Bankers Extended World War One for Three Years
--------- Illuminati Betrayed British Agents

Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler by Antony Sutton

Air Force Dumped Remains of US Soldiers in Landfill


You Tube "Dreams of Liberty"
Note: Cabalist (Masonic) central bankers follow a long-term plan to degrade and enslave humanity. This is what Communism is really about. They finance both sides of every war to make human sacrifices to their God Satan, to make money and extend their tyranny. Illuminati insider Ronald Bernard said that wars are designed to sacrifice humans. (Starting at 18 min) Are we complicit in satanic human sacrifice by pretending they died in a noble cause?


First Comment from Tony B

This scamdemic is NOT small potatoes, it is a worldwide conquest attempt. In spite of two mis-labeled "world wars" in the last century, neither of them was world wide. This one is. It is still in its beginning stages. The final objective of this satanic criminality is WORLD WIDE GENOCIDE OF MOST OF THE HUMAN RACE for the benefit of the select few. Believe it, agents of the plot have been openly saying as much for decades but most refuse to accept it, considering it too fantastic to be true.

Lance:

I'm a Vietnam veteran and was neither a mercenary nor a dupe. Like most, I was drafted and coerced into service. And the pay, beginning at $75 per month, while in training, was hardly at a mercenary's rate. No, you can't say I was in it for the money, either.
SECOND COMMENT FROM TWH:


As a former soldier myself, even I cringe when I hear people thanking soldiers for their "service" People wax maudlin over our "heroes" in uniform who are somehow "defending our freedom".
Let me tell you a little secret. Most people join the military because it's a job, not because they have noble visions of getting killed on some battlefield.

When I was in the army a few decades ago, we would go through training exercises and we would drink. That amounted to about all we did. I was certainly no hero, nor was I defending our freedom or providing a sacred service to Canadians.

If I knew what I know today, I wouldn't have even considered signing up back then. I was young and naive. The only way I would muse about joining the military today is if Canada itself were under attack. I'm not going to be fooled into putting combat boots on so that I can fight a battle on the other side of the globe on behalf on the international moneylenders.



KEN ADACHI Writes:

In the 1950s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, a certain percentage of young American men from blue collar families would typically join some branch of the US military to gain employment, free medical and dental care, free meals and housing, technical training, perhaps some college, and above all, have an adventure and see the world.
No one of those decades had any inkling of what the Pentagon was really about and just how rotten are the scoundrels and liars of Washington DC who connive with their pals in banking and the military-industrial complex to create the pretext and excuses to wage war against innocent people in far away lands, so said scoundrels can generate obscene amounts of profit and booty for themselves, and all at taxpayer expense.
Following the treachery levelled against US service men in the first Gulf war (1991) by its own government in which hundreds of thousands of men and women were subjected to vaccinations that caused the intentionally introduced, lab created "Gulf War syndrome (or illness)", you would think that far more young people would think twice about joining a Pentagon killing machine that had all the earmarks of satanic stewardship.
After the traitors in our military and government, working with the Mossad, orchestrated the events of 9/11, they send US military personnel into Iraq and Afghanistan to engage in such depraved levels of barbarity, cruelty, and murderous savagery (mostly against civilians), that for the first time in the history of the United States, we have scores and scores of returning military men committing suicide because they can no longer take the mental torment that their conscience has forced upon them for their unconscionable conduct in the Middle East.
The only way you can stop this process is to stop cooperating with it and that means to stop enlisting in the military and subject yourself to the Pentagon's sorcerers (and I mean that literally). In 2005, all the signs were in place for the calling of a draft, but ultimately they decided to not follow through because the war in Iraq, I think, was beginning to lose popular support and the institution of a draft would lead to anti-war protests on campuses across the country and that in turn would lead to an eventual pullout of US troops in the Middle East (as in Vietnam).
So they start sucking up recruits from Mexico, Central America, South America and the Philippines to fill American military boots and make up the shortfall with promises of a fast track to US citizenship and other financial perks and incentives (at taxpayer expense, of course). In earlier decades, you could believe the party line that we were the Good Guys of the world and that our mission was to 'maintain the peace' and 'provide stability', and all the flag-waving crap that they throw at naive, inexperienced, and trusting young minds. But today there is no excuse.
With the internet, anyone can find out exactly who and what the Pentagon is and understand the price you will pay if you foolishly decide to join that killing machine. You can't blame the veterans of earlier decades because we thought we were doing the right thing and assumed that the military was on the up and up. But today, everyone should know the score and we should do nothing to encourage or enable that killing enterprise-including celebrating its 'commemorative' rituals

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[April_Rose]

This is a lot of reading for me but the fallen are BOTH victims and heroes.

 

[APAK]

This is a lot of reading for me but the fallen are BOTH victims and heroes.

You really have to define hero, and in a spiritual way April. It can be a tricky subject. There's the world view and the God-centric view. The former is the most common view.

If we as a believer, glorify another person, a believer or not, without giving glory the Father for a cause that is clearly his will as we know it, then yes, he or she is a hero and an asset to the glory of God, NOT to the world or man.

The world defines a hero for just about anything and they do not take the will of God into the equation.

Take the Revolutionary rebellion/war whatever you want to call it. When a person defended their family with deadly force from the Red Coats, of a clear and immediate danger, with no outlet of escape, at their literal doorsteps, then those of like mind or of another 'patriot' would call them a hero. And I would as well, as I believe this action would be serving the will of God and I would focus on God for it. I would not glorify him though, as a non-believer.

Now if a patriot soldier killed MANY Red Coats on the battlefield and became wounded himself or not even a scratch was laid upon him, I would not consider him a hero. Yes, he saved lives in the local communities, possibly, but these actions should not have anything to do with glorifying him as if he is a god or something. How does our real spiritual Father see this example?

He was a brave and courageous victim of spiritual warfare translated in physical war. The world would make him a hero, and maybe build a statue of him with a day of remembrance. I would not be a part of it, in my personal life. Do you see my point here about who is really a victim and not a 'real' hero as I describe it?

I've learned over the years that being brought up saying slogans or believing this or that without extra thought and real inquiry and question, can be harmful to my spiritual walk.

I've always hesitated in calling any human person a hero, for whatever they did, small or large anyway. Does it serve the LORD, or undermine his role and his will, if we call someone a hero without any serious or real thought? It is a question that should enter your mind.

And I served in the military for 26 years and I'm no hero, for what? I performed my worldly duties well and I associated my work with the LORD and his will, all the way. When someone thanks me for my service, I want to move on quickly by, as I have no useful words for them. It is kind of embarrassing and even shameful for someone to even say these words to me.

Bless you,

APAK

 

[April_Rose]

No I do not see your point. Any man or woman who laid down their lives for their country is a hero. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

 

[APAK]

No I do not see your point. Any man or woman who laid down their lives for their country is a hero. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

So do you glorify your heroes as gods of mankind?

 

[April_Rose]

So do you glorify your heroes as gods of mankind?

They aren't gods but heroes all the same and I must warn you that this is a subject that I feel strongly about and you are leaning on a raw nerve at the moment and I lreally ike you that's why I'm warning you instead of just exploding at you right now. However, it's like when you shake a pop bottle and all that pressure builds up on the inside before it explodes. Don't let it explode.

 

[APAK]

@April_Rose . just walk away from the subject for now and come back to it when and if you want in the future. I do gather your definition of a hero is more on the lighter side, someone who may have affected your life in a very positive way or an historical figure that brings encouragement and meaning to your life, even a loved one....that's all good then....a hero they are indeed.

My thread was really centered on actual spiritual and psychological warfare that becomes physical warfare. From that view of a hero or victim.

And of course you never addressed the other major area, flip side of the thread. Those today that are behind these wars in the past centuries...

Bless you,

APAK

 

[April_Rose]

Then perhaps I might be missing something. I apologize but yesterday the wicked witch of the US (Kamala Harris) made a derogatory comment for us to enjoy the long weekend so I am very short on patience at the moment when it comes to putting down and insulting the military.

 

[APAK]

Then perhaps I might be missing something. I apologize but yesterday the wicked witch of the US (Kamala Harris) made a derogatory comment for us to enjoy the long weekend so I am very short on patience at the moment when it comes to putting down and insulting the military.

The last thing I would do is to insult the military, especially enlisted service man or women of lower ranking. I was one of them remember for longer than most. Forget KM....don't get caught up in knots over these types of women..

Being in the military, and also a believer in Christ would help you understand this thread much better. I'm convinced of it. And I support and love this country as you do....and its people. And unfortunately you never had this military experience.

Keep a cool head and the wars you have in your head better be worth it...friend not foe...APAK

 

[Truth7t7]

No I do not see your point. Any man or woman who laid down their lives for their country is a hero. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

Period End Of Story!

 

[April_Rose]

The last thing I would do is to insult the military, especially enlisted service man or women of lower ranking. I was one of them remember for longer than most. Forget KM....don't get caught up in knots over these types of women..

Being in the military, and also a believer in Christ would help you understand this thread much better. I'm convinced of it. And I support and love this country as you do....and its people. And unfortunately you never had this military experience.

Keep a cool head and the wars you have in your head better be worth it...friend not foe...APAK

Well thank you for your services and I'm glad you love and support our country and its people,.. but I still don't understand your methods for not referring to all of the fallen soldiers as heroes though. :/

 

[APAK]

Well thank you for your services and I'm glad you love and support our country and its people,.. but I still don't understand your methods for not referring to all of the fallen soldiers as heroes though. :/

You have to stop looking at the world view of who is a hero and seek the spiritual view of heroism. You won't find the latter version on your TV today. They ONLY play and honor the world view hero, not the spiritual or God-centric hero. It is a paradigm shift that need to be personally taken to understand.

Well let me try to use a verse of Jesus.....

John 18:36
Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place."

Now if the Kingdom of Christ was of this world then those that would die or fight to defend it on behalf of Christ and the congregation, are ALL considered HEROES, and would be heroes whether dead, wounded or unscathed. They did the will of the Father, and not the will of Rome, the US, UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada etc, or the world!!

Another example: Those that lived and died for Christ and the Kingdom in their human earth-bound lives as martyrs, through trials and hardships, as many Christians have, and today, and will tomorrow, are ALL HEROES, as even the word of God describes them in similar words and actions, as overcomers and those given white robes etc....

You know in Isaiah 9:6, Christ is called a mighty hero or warrior ((G)od is not an authentic translation into English, 'god' is ok), and he was, and is today as he obeyed his Father and fought for us by his shed Blood on the Cross...the ultimate and MIGHTIEST HERO of them all, Amen. He laid down his life for the ultimate just cause of conquering evil as a fatal blow to Satan. He truly kept us free!!

Now can we say the same thing about any human hero? Would he or she save our souls or even our way of living, under the 'happy' and cosey safe tree (nation) we live under today?

Read between these lines and the others I've posted prior...can you start to see my point now? It is a real paradigm shift, especially for a new believer living within the institutions and mores and cultures of this world. What they call a hero in this heathen world is not what a Christian should be truly supporting or saying. Who Christ would say is a hero, let us honor these of the ekklesia, for him and the Father's glory.

Blessings,

APAK

 

[Amazed@grace]

War Dead are Victims, Not Heroes
May 30, 2021



Monday May 31 is Memorial Day in the US-

Memorial Day normalizes war, the same war that Satanists have waged against God and man for centuries.
All wars are psyops. COVID is far from their largest psy-op. It's small potatoes compared to World War One, World War Two, the Cold War, Korea, and Vietnam. All of these were staged by Illuminati bankers to degrade and destroy Christian civilization and to sacrifice millions of humans to Satan. If we consider the war dead as "heroes" rather than victims of a diabolical conspiracy, we are not honoring them. We are condoning their murder.

I urge you to watch this interview with Professor Anthony Sutton. In it, he explains that Wall Street financed Hitler and the Nazi war machine and provided indispensable technology. Wall Street also funded the Bolshevik revolution, literally built the USSR and supplied it with nuclear bomb technology.

"Capitalism and Communism are identical," Sutton says, a truth we are discovering today, to our consternation. Far from being free, we are mice in a laboratory run by psychopaths.

A world-Communist state has always been their goal.

My annual Memorial Day article -- War is a tragic hoax. The covid hoax is but another example of the long-term Cabalist war on humanity.
Wars are the closest thing to hell on earth. What do you expect? They are devised by Satanists. Why do we accept them as natural and inevitable? Why do we perpetuate the myth that soldiers were "defending our freedom" when in fact wars are designed to sacrifice them to Satan and deprive us of our freedom?

In the Red Symphony, Illuminati Jewish insider Christian Rakovsky stated "Wars are revolutionary"
"Revolution" really means, "overturning" Western civilization. Replacing God with Lucifer. "Christianity is our only real enemy since all the political and economic phenomena of the bourgeois states are only its consequences," Rakovsky, says.
Peace is "counter-revolutionary" since it is war that paves the way for revolution. Revolution really means, overturning Western civilization. Thus, war is a self-destructive enterprise contrived by folks who want to degrade and enslave us.

(Updated from last year)
By Henry Makow Ph.D.


When the US and England loaned Mexico money in 1903 using its customs revenue as collateral, Illuminati banker Jacob Schiff cabled his English counterpart, Ernest Cassel: "If they don't pay, who will collect the customs?"

(For nitpickers, yes he actually said this.)

Cassel replied: "Your marines and ours." (The Life of Otto Kahn, p. 22)

Marine General Smedley Butler (1881-1940) confirmed that he was "a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers."

In War is a Racket (1935) he wrote: "I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China, I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested."

Flash forward to 2011 when NATO fomented and led a mission in Libya, one of only four countries that didn't have a Rothschild central bank. Now Libya does. They don't call it imperialism anymore. They call it "Our mission in Libya." Soldiers aren't mercenaries; they are "missionaries." Now they're after Syria, North Korea, and Iran, three of the four remaining countries without a Rothschild central bank

CENTRAL BANKERS ARE BEHIND ALL WARS

All wars are organized by the Illuminati bankers to collect or incur debt, kill goyim, plunder or profit, and to advance their program for Masonic Jewish "world government" tyranny. They appeal to our patriotism to sucker us in. We are told we are fighting to "preserve freedom" when the opposite is actually the case.

So how should we regard the war dead?

I regard their lives as cut short tragically in a bogus cause. They are human sacrifices, dupes and mercenaries. We have all been duped for a very long time. That gives Memorial Day a taint of pathos and cynicism.

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Your nitpickers link opens to a message regarding Yahoo answers forum being closed.

As to your OP and subsequent additions, including the Kissinger quote your thread seems to emulate, shame on you. Shame!

 

[Truman]

My dad grew up in rural New Brunswick and went to war with his four friends. He alone came back. I think they were all heroes, considering they were teenagers. The fact that my dad drove a tank and helped flush the Nazis out of northern France, I'm sure that the French also saw him as a hero.

 

[APAK]

Your nitpickers link opens to a message regarding Yahoo answers forum being closed.

As to your OP and subsequent additions, including the Kissinger quote your thread seems to emulate, shame on you. Shame!

Not at all and your conclusion is stunning. It sounds as you got really personal here from reasons you only know about.

There is no shame at all in honoring the dead, wounded or not, from warfare with kind and loving thoughts and even calls or texts of remembrance. It is a heart of love and compassion that would do these things of course. However, this is NOT my thread at all. There is a big SPIRITUAL picture presented here, that seems to be difficult to grasp and still flies high above, unnoticed. I must have assumed too much. Spiritual warfare on a grand scale and not on a personal level is what I'm describing here. And war participants are victims in a game of evil and should not be considered heroes to evil even if they think they are doing their duty to country, flag and family. We can love them privately for their service, by all means, and not make them PUBLIC heroes, and dedicate a national idolization day of human worship.

If I cannot voice this subject then as this article begins, we keep normalizing these unjust and unspiritual wars. We keep the deadly game going. Yes, it is hard to swallow but it the truth as God is my witness. Do you think that these national and multinational wars are sanctioned by our Father in heaven? Are we Christians or not? Or are we lip-service Christians and part-time worldly people as the spiritually lukewarm? Are we of the world or in the world?

The big lie usually said is that we go to war to protect our freedoms and our way of life. Nothing in these words are true at all, for a believer.

Are you stuck on what do with Memorial Day now, after reading this thread? It is not a matter of choosing/agreeing with either this Day or my thread. They are congruent and work together. No negative decision has to be hastily made. So you draw an emotional personal reaction as I warned could happen as stated in my opening statement of the OP.

I had one bud who died in the VN era. I think of him from time to time. He was 5 years older than me. I still have tears when I ponder on him too long and what happened to him. He is still not my hero however as someone to idolize as many would do, and are doing today, on this Memorial Day. He was a friend and a comrade in arms. He was a victim of evil warfare, whether he realized it or not. And course he really had no choice in the matter of going to SE Asia. He was drafted into service. Later, being in the service, I was on my way to Cambodia, and it was fortunately changed to a State-side CONUS assignment at the last week before employment.

So I do not really know of where you capture or summarize it as 'shame on you' in all this and the article. If you meant duped or fooled then I would agree. That is one of the messages or a take away. Shame is definitely not appropriate here, unless you feel like this thread somehow elicited thoughts of it.

Blessings to you,

APAK

 

[Enoch111]

The title of this thread would seem to suddenly incite anger, strong emotions, thoughts and words of immediate retaliation drawn from deep personal patriotism against it.

The soldiers who died to presumably preserve liberty and justice are BOTH heroes and victims. And one should be able to see that.

HEROES -- because they went against the forces of evil which would bring people into bondage and slavery.

VICTIMS -- because the wars which occurred (other than the American War of Independence) did not ensure that liberty and justice would remain in the USA.

The truth is that the presidents and politicians since Ronald Reagan have had no interest in preserving the Constitution and the liberty and justice guaranteed under it.

 

[Amazed@grace]

Not at all and your conclusion is stunning. It sounds as you got really personal here from reasons you only know about.

There is no shame at all in honoring the dead, wounded or not, from warfare with kind and loving thoughts and even calls or texts of remembrance. It is a heart of love and compassion that would do these things of course. However, this is NOT my thread at all. There is a big SPIRITUAL picture presented here, that seems to be difficult to grasp and still flies high above, unnoticed. I must have assumed too much. Spiritual warfare on a grand scale and not on a personal level is what I'm describing here. And war participants are victims in a game of evil and should not be considered heroes to evil even if they think they are doing their duty to country, flag and family. We can love them privately for their service, by all means, and not make them PUBLIC heroes, and dedicate a national idolization day of human worship.

If I cannot voice this subject then as this article begins, we keep normalizing these unjust and unspiritual wars. We keep the deadly game going. Yes, it is hard to swallow but it the truth as God is my witness. Do you think that these national and multinational wars are sanctioned by our Father in heaven? Are we Christians or not? Or are we lip-service Christians and part-time worldly people as the spiritually lukewarm? Are we of the world or in the world?

The big lie usually said is that we go to war to protect our freedoms and our way of life. Nothing in these words are true at all, for a believer.

Are you stuck on what do with Memorial Day now, after reading this thread? It is not a matter of choosing/agreeing with either this Day or my thread. They are congruent and work together. No negative decision has to be hastily made. So you draw an emotional personal reaction as I warned could happen as stated in my opening statement of the OP.

I had one bud who died in the VN era. I think of him from time to time. He was 5 years older than me. I still have tears when I ponder on him too long and what happened to him. He is still not my hero however as someone to idolize as many would do, and are doing today, on this Memorial Day. He was a friend and a comrade in arms. He was a victim of evil warfare, whether he realized it or not. And course he really had no choice in the matter of going to SE Asia. He was drafted into service. Later, being in the service, I was on my way to Cambodia, and it was fortunately changed to a State-side CONUS assignment at the last week before employment.

So I do not really know of where you capture or summarize it as 'shame on you' in all this and the article. If you meant duped or fooled then I would agree. That is one of the messages or a take away. Shame is definitely not appropriate here, unless you feel like this thread somehow elicited thoughts of it.

Blessings to you,

APAK

My conclusion arrives due to your invitation in creating the OP.
And your timing of it.
Your intention is not spiritual. This is obvious when you preempt replies by implicating the maturity level of Christians , and dismissing the righteous emotions garnered after reading your indictment against our soldiers on Memorial Day. Of all days.
But that is purposed too.
There are military personnel on this forum. There are veterans too. There are family and friends of the fallen soldier here.
And you disparage emotions that take issue with your disrespect on Memorial Day.

I say again, shame on you!

I won't respond again. Your thread is a sin against the sacrifices of our beloved warrior dead. And a sin against the solemn occasion of this day. May God forgive you.

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

A Psalm of David.) Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight: