Who Told/taught You About God?

[truthquest]

Here we have Thankful1 who goes from forum to forum presenting himself as God's special prophet, with many usernames. He continually quotes scriptures from the word of God that he refers to as the dead letter. The same word of God that he says we can't be taught by God from, that was inspired by God for our benefit.
What exactly is your witness, Thankful1? That you have visions of Jesus who speaks to you and teaches you? Does that make you special? Personally I don't believe that because you said that Jesus told you to stop trying to figure him out and that Jesus argued with your wife. That doesn't sound like Jesus to me.
Then you belittle others who don't claim to be having visions of Jesus. You don't think we can be taught by God unless Jesus appears to us and teaches us that way? If that is your witness then I feel sorry for you.

 

[TexUs]

Here we have Thankful1 who goes from forum to forum presenting himself as God's special prophet, with many usernames. He continually quotes scriptures from the word of God that he refers to as the dead letter. The same word of God that he says we can't be taught by God from, that was inspired by God for our benefit.
What exactly is your witness, Thankful1? That you have visions of Jesus who speaks to you and teaches you? Does that make you special? Personally I don't believe that because you said that Jesus told you to stop trying to figure him out and that Jesus argued with your wife. That doesn't sound like Jesus to me.
Then you belittle others who don't claim to be having visions of Jesus. You don't think we can be taught by God unless Jesus appears to us and teaches us that way? If that is your witness then I feel sorry for you.

I'd be scared as hell to be held accountable for the beliefs he holds.

 

[Thankful 1]

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[color="#5D5D5D"][font="tahoma][size="2"]You are saying that I called the Bible the dead letter? Jesus told me the bible is the written Word of God. Yet man has twisted its meaning beyond recognition. The only way one can truly know what the bible teaches is to have Jesus/Holy Spirit teach him or her.



It seem you did not care for what Jesus told me. I am referring to when he told me to stop trying to figure him out, and just follow him. You can’t see how futile it is for man to try and understand God? I was at the time trying to figure out what was going to happen to my family and me. Every thing I was going through was strange, and beyond anything that I had ever heard of before. I did not know what was going on. I had given my life to Jesus, and my life had then turned upside down. Jesus told me to hang on and just follow him. He was telling me that what would happen to me was all in his hands. That was the beginning of my walk. You would be amazed of what happened the next thirty some years.



I quoted scripture that tells us that God will teach us about God. Also scripture tells us only God can bring one to know God.



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[TexUs]

When what you have been supposedly taught contradicts what the Bible says, it calls into question weather or not you've actually been taught by Christ or if it was a demon masquerading as him.

On the surface, most of what you just posted is not wrong. Except for, I don't think Christ would tell you, "Don't try to learn about me". I don't think the Bible would be filled with information about who God is and what his character is like if he didn't intend for us to try to understand who he is.
I don't know how you think a relationship would ever last if you don't know the person you're in a relationship with.

 

[truthquest]

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[color="#5d5d5d"][font="tahoma][size="2"]You are saying that I called the Bible the dead letter?
Yes you called the bible the dead letter. Do you deny that now?


Jesus told me the bible is the written Word of God.
Jesus told you. How did Jesus tell you this? In a vision? Did you hear his voice?


Yet man has twisted its meaning beyond recognition. The only way one can truly know what the bible teaches is to have Jesus/Holy Spirit teach him or her.
Be specific. Does this mean that Jesus has to appear to us and teach us?

It seem you did not care for what Jesus told me.
Does it matter if I care what Jesus told you? Why does that matter so much to you? If in fact that really happened, that would be a personal experience with meaning to you and not me.

I am referring to when he told me to stop trying to figure him out, and just follow him.
You quoted Jesus as saying, "Stop trying to figure me out" and just follow me. Jesus wouldn't say that, case closed.

You can’t see how futile it is for man to try and understand God?
It is not futile to try and understand God. How can you say that? Sure, we can't know everything about him. His ways are higher than our ways, and his thoughts higher than our thoughts.
But Jesus revealed him and made him known to us and guess what? We read and learn about that in the bible, and many, many other things about God.
[/size][/font][/color][sup]Acts 17:27[/sup] God did this so that people would seek him. Then perhaps they would reach out for him and find him. They would find him even though he is not far from any of us. [sup]28[/sup] 'In him we live and move and exist.' As some of your own poets have also said, 'We are his children.'
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I quoted scripture that tells us that God will teach us about God. Also scripture tells us only God can bring one to know God.
But you said repeatedly that we can't learn this from the bible but only by having Jesus appear in a vision and teach us personally that way.

We don't have to have Jesus appear to us for the holy spirit to speak to our spirit.
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John 14:26 (Amplified Bible)
[sup]John 14:26[/sup]But the Comforter (Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, Standby), the Holy Spirit, Whom the Father will send in My name [in My place, to represent Me and act on My behalf], He will teach you all things. And He will cause you to recall (will remind you of, bring to your remembrance) everything I have told you.


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[TexUs]

[font="tahoma][size="2"]Also scripture tells us only God can bring one to know God.[/size][/font]

But if you need God to tell you what scripture means then how do you know scripture telling you God must teach you is correct? Isn't that a self-defeating argument?

What's funny is even through the stuff you claim you still go back to, "scripture tells us".

 

[Robbie]

He did through His Word (aka: His Son / Jesus)

 

[bud02]

Lets learn from the story of Balaam. Balaams donkey had eyes to see, and even after Balaam's eyes were opened to see for a moment he bowed to the ground, but then went on to appose the hand of the Lord leading Israel. By corrupting them from within. Those are not fit for the kingdom of God.

Moral of the story, Matthew 22:14 not everyone that is called is chosen.

 

[Thankful 1]

Showme where I ever said the bible was a dead letter.



Yes Jesus told me audibly that I should stop trying to figure him out. Just because you don’t believe he would say such a thing, does not mean he didn’t.



Jesus said he would call his own by name. And lead them. Scripture tells us that we do not need anyone to teach us about God, that God will teach us about God.



God in order to teach us needs to communicate with us. God has communicated with me in a number of different ways.

 

[TexUs]

Just because you don’t believe he would say such a thing, does not mean he didn’t.

No, actually, it'd contradict the Bible and if Christ never changes then the thing that told you something contrary to it was not Christ.

[/size][/size]Scripture tells us that we do not need anyone to teach us about God, that God will teach us about God.

But, according to your reasoning, you can't rely on what the scripture says so this belief of yours is wrong. I'm simply using your own logic.

 

[truthquest]

Showme where I ever said the bible was a dead letter.
You said that under a different username and only Hammerstone could prove that both usernames came from the same computer location. Only Hammerstone knows how many usernames you have here and what they are.



Yes Jesus told me audibly that I should stop trying to figure him out. Just because you don’t believe he would say such a thing, does not mean he didn’t.
If you had said that you got the impression that this is what Jesus was trying to convey to you, that would be different but you are saying that those are his actual words. Do you realize you are claiming to quote Jesus? I would be very careful with that.



Jesus said he would call his own by name. And lead them. Scripture tells us that we do not need anyone to teach us about God, that God will teach us about God.
Scripture tells us that the holy spirit will teach us and this does not require visions or Jesus being physically present.

 

[Thankful 1]

That is a lie. I could never post under two user names. My writing stile is too awkward to not be noticed.

I have been sharing what Jesus has said to me, and taught me, for over thirty years.



I remember what Jesus said to me, and have no problem quoting what he said.



You see all I would need to do is ask Jesus if I remembered what he said correctly, and he would tell me.



Don’t you ever wonder what the following verses meant?



(John 10:1-5)"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice."



(1 John 2:27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you, the anointing he gave teaches you everything; you are anointed with truth, not a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.”

 

[truthquest]

That is a lie. I could never post under two user names. My writing stile is too awkward to not be noticed.

Really. How many usernames did you have on T20? According to Father L., you had so many it was hard to keep up with them all.
He has access to IP addresses.

 

[TexUs]

You see all I would need to do is ask Jesus if I remembered what he said correctly, and he would tell me.

And the same evil spirit that lied to you the first time will no doubt lie to you a second.

 

[Thankful 1]

T20? What are you talking about?

 

[TexUs]

http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/bible-chat/5590-personal-relationship-jesus-11.html#post99226

Oh you don't remember that? Seems like your prior statement (which has now been deleted) about not using multiple usernames was a lie.

Or should we call you mjrhealth?

http://www.christian...h__1#entry84464
Your writing style under mjrhealth is the exact same as yours under Thankful1. And you even use the same exact phrases.

"I never called Jesus, He came to me, I heard a voice, i beleived, then many years later He chose to show Himself to Me"
"Then one day a voice spoke and I believed"
"I hear His voice and He knows me"
"See i dont need the bible, the dead letter,"
"For is it not wriiten in your precious book" My sheep Hear My voice and will follow no other""

 

[Thankful 1]

http://www.true2ours....html#post99226

Oh you don't remember that? Seems like your prior statement (which has now been deleted) about not using multiple usernames was a lie.

Or should we call you mjrhealth?

http://www.christian...h__1#entry84464
Your writing style under mjrhealth is the exact same as yours under Thankful1. And you even use the same exact phrases.

"I never called Jesus, He came to me, I heard a voice, i beleived, then many years later He chose to show Himself to Me"
"Then one day a voice spoke and I believed"
"I hear His voice and He knows me"
"See i dont need the bible, the dead letter,"
"For is it not wriiten in your precious book" My sheep Hear My voice and will follow no other""

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Ad hominem



When people can’t accept the message, and the truth upset them, they attack the messenger.



Appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect.



Marked by or being an attack on an opponent’s character rather than by an answer to the contentions made.

 

[TexUs]

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Ad hominem



When people can’t accept the message, and the truth upset them, they attack the messenger.

No, actually, if you say Christians don't sin because this is what Jesus told you and I just caught you in two lies it definitely brings both you and your message into question.

 

[Thankful 1]

No, actually, if you say Christians don't sin because this is what Jesus told you and I just caught you in two lies it definitely brings both you and your message into question.

No I am not a liar. You accused me of lying, and did so with out any proof. ​

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I have no need to post under two different names. ​

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I reported your accusations as an attempt to derail this thread. I guess management does not care to be involved with this discussion. You see management would know if I lied or not. ​

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You by the way owe me an apology.

 

[truthquest]

Marked by or being an attack on an opponent’s character rather than by an answer to the contentions made.

I think you're the one who made it an issue of character in this thread by making statements like this:

"You can’t answer me can you? Does it not make you feel evil to witness that God taught you and you can’t or will not share how God did that? If God made you a light are you not supposed to let people see that light?
Your evasion makes us all believe that you are not being truthful. Now you don’t want us to believe that of you, do you? "

"I just feel sorry for you. Also now you know why I don’t accept your witness. "

"That is a lie. I could never post under two user names. "

And that's just in this thread.