The First Resurrection

[robert derrick]

Where's the Scriptual evidence to back up your claim? I can't find any references to being filled with blood or of having Jesus' blood flowing through us.

The only passage I'm aware of which talks of drinking Jesus' blood is John 6, when Jesus said we should eat his flesh too:

47) Most certainly, I tell you, he who believes in me has eternal life.
48) I am the bread of life.
49) Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died.
50) This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, that anyone may eat of it and not die.
51) I am the living bread which came down out of heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. Yes, the bread which I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”
52) The Jews therefore contended with one another, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
53) Jesus therefore said to them, “Most certainly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you don’t have life in yourselves.
54) He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
55) For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56) He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood lives in me, and I in him.
57) As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father; so he who feeds on me, he will also live because of me.
58) This is the bread which came down out of heaven—not as our fathers ate the manna, and died. He who eats this bread will live forever.”
59) He said these things in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
60) Therefore many of his disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying! Who can listen to it?”
61) But Jesus knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at this, said to them, “Does this cause you to stumble?
62) Then what if you would see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?
63) It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life.
64) But there are some of you who don’t believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who didn’t believe, and who it was who would betray him.
65) He said, “For this cause I have said to you that no one can come to me, unless it is given to him by my Father.”
66) At this, many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

Note that Jesus explains that his literal flesh (and blood) would be of no benefit to them. His body (and blood) he sacrificed "for the life of the world" (v. 51), i.e. all mankind (Jews, Christians and gentiles). He ws speaking metaphorically, saying that he was the bread of life which came down from heaven, the anti-typical manna. Then he plainly stated what he meant - "The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life". In order to have eternal life, and for Jesus to resurrect us, we need to believe and absorb Jesus' teachings and commandments.

As priests we may symbolically sprinkle or plead the blood of Jesus - in word only, not literally! We are calling upon, or claiming, the merit of Jesus' sacrifice. Likewise, those believers living through the tribulation can be washed clean of their sins by the merit of Jesus' sacirfice, symbolically washing their robes his blood - it does not mean that they have been begotten again. All those resurrected in the second resurrection will likewise have their sins and unrighteousness symbolically covered by Jesus' blood, i.e. they are redeemed through the merit of Jesus' sacrifce of his life, just the same as Christians are.

If the drinking and washing of the blood is symbolic, then the blood is symbolic, and you cannot plead symbolic blood, except your pleading is symbolic.

"symbolically sprinkle or plead the blood of Jesus"

If the blood is symbolic and the pleading is symbolic, then the forgiveness is symbolic.

Symbolizing of Scripture, where Scripture is not symbolic, is nullifying Scripture, and the promises and assurances thereof are done away into symbolism only.

Traditions of men contrary to Scripture are the beginning of symbolizing and nullifying Scripture, because otherwise Scripture would nullify the teachings of men.

"Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition."

 

[robert derrick]

Where's the Scriptual evidence to back up your claim? I can't find any references to being filled with blood or of having Jesus' blood flowing through us.

The only passage I'm aware of which talks of drinking Jesus' blood is John 6, when Jesus said we should eat his flesh too:

47) Most certainly, I tell you, he who believes in me has eternal life.
48) I am the bread of life.
49) Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died.
50) This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, that anyone may eat of it and not die.
51) I am the living bread which came down out of heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. Yes, the bread which I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”
52) The Jews therefore contended with one another, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
53) Jesus therefore said to them, “Most certainly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you don’t have life in yourselves.
54) He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
55) For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56) He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood lives in me, and I in him.
57) As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father; so he who feeds on me, he will also live because of me.
58) This is the bread which came down out of heaven—not as our fathers ate the manna, and died. He who eats this bread will live forever.”
59) He said these things in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
60) Therefore many of his disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying! Who can listen to it?”
61) But Jesus knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at this, said to them, “Does this cause you to stumble?
62) Then what if you would see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?
63) It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life.
64) But there are some of you who don’t believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who didn’t believe, and who it was who would betray him.
65) He said, “For this cause I have said to you that no one can come to me, unless it is given to him by my Father.”
66) At this, many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

Note that Jesus explains that his literal flesh (and blood) would be of no benefit to them. His body (and blood) he sacrificed "for the life of the world" (v. 51), i.e. all mankind (Jews, Christians and gentiles). He ws speaking metaphorically, saying that he was the bread of life which came down from heaven, the anti-typical manna. Then he plainly stated what he meant - "The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life". In order to have eternal life, and for Jesus to resurrect us, we need to believe and absorb Jesus' teachings and commandments.

As priests we may symbolically sprinkle or plead the blood of Jesus - in word only, not literally! We are calling upon, or claiming, the merit of Jesus' sacrifice. Likewise, those believers living through the tribulation can be washed clean of their sins by the merit of Jesus' sacirfice, symbolically washing their robes his blood - it does not mean that they have been begotten again. All those resurrected in the second resurrection will likewise have their sins and unrighteousness symbolically covered by Jesus' blood, i.e. they are redeemed through the merit of Jesus' sacrifce of his life, just the same as Christians are.

"Where's the Scriptual evidence to back up your claim? I can't find any references to being filled with blood or of having Jesus' blood flowing through us."

You have no Scriptural evidence nor even reference to 'spirit beings' in heaven, that were once human on earth, except by inferring figuratively from the Scripture that declares them to be people, and yet you cannot find evidence nor even reference of Scripture for having the blood of Jesus in us, once we drink of His blood as commanded by Scripture??

To be washed in the blood, we must first drink the blood, cleaning the inside of the cup first that the outside should come clean. (Matthew 23:26)

We cannot possibly drink the blood, and yet not have the blood in us.

False teachings force symbolism of plain Scripture to the point where even natural common sense is done away, along with the reality and truth of Scripture.

 

[robert derrick]

Where's the Scriptual evidence to back up your claim? I can't find any references to being filled with blood or of having Jesus' blood flowing through us.

The only passage I'm aware of which talks of drinking Jesus' blood is John 6, when Jesus said we should eat his flesh too:

47) Most certainly, I tell you, he who believes in me has eternal life.
48) I am the bread of life.
49) Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died.
50) This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, that anyone may eat of it and not die.
51) I am the living bread which came down out of heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. Yes, the bread which I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”
52) The Jews therefore contended with one another, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
53) Jesus therefore said to them, “Most certainly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you don’t have life in yourselves.
54) He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
55) For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56) He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood lives in me, and I in him.
57) As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father; so he who feeds on me, he will also live because of me.
58) This is the bread which came down out of heaven—not as our fathers ate the manna, and died. He who eats this bread will live forever.”
59) He said these things in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
60) Therefore many of his disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying! Who can listen to it?”
61) But Jesus knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at this, said to them, “Does this cause you to stumble?
62) Then what if you would see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?
63) It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life.
64) But there are some of you who don’t believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who didn’t believe, and who it was who would betray him.
65) He said, “For this cause I have said to you that no one can come to me, unless it is given to him by my Father.”
66) At this, many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

Note that Jesus explains that his literal flesh (and blood) would be of no benefit to them. His body (and blood) he sacrificed "for the life of the world" (v. 51), i.e. all mankind (Jews, Christians and gentiles). He ws speaking metaphorically, saying that he was the bread of life which came down from heaven, the anti-typical manna. Then he plainly stated what he meant - "The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life". In order to have eternal life, and for Jesus to resurrect us, we need to believe and absorb Jesus' teachings and commandments.

As priests we may symbolically sprinkle or plead the blood of Jesus - in word only, not literally! We are calling upon, or claiming, the merit of Jesus' sacrifice. Likewise, those believers living through the tribulation can be washed clean of their sins by the merit of Jesus' sacirfice, symbolically washing their robes his blood - it does not mean that they have been begotten again. All those resurrected in the second resurrection will likewise have their sins and unrighteousness symbolically covered by Jesus' blood, i.e. they are redeemed through the merit of Jesus' sacrifce of his life, just the same as Christians are.

"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things...But with the precious blood of Christ." (1 Peter 1)

With the incorruptible and precious blood of Christ we are redeemed, and with redemption we are forgiven of sins.

"In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins." (Col 1)

No redemption through the blood, no forgiveness of sins.

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." (John 1)

When we receive Him, we are born of God, not of blood and will of man, but of the precious blood of Christ and will of God.

Redemption, forgiveness, born again: There is none without the other.

'Spirit beings' that were human beings and are washed in the blood of the Lamb, and yet are not members of the body of Christ:

Washed white in the blood of the Lamb, yet not forgiven of sins, because not redeemed with the blood of the Lamb, because not born of God receiving Jesus with His blood.

The Lamb of God Jesus Christ cannot be received without His blood in us, wherein is His eternal Life, of which we are born.

 

[keithr]

"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things...But with the precious blood of Christ...Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." (1 Peter 1)

We are born of the incorruptible seed and the true Word with the precious blood of Christ: As babes we drink the sincere milk of the Word, and as mature we drink the precious blood of Christ: In deed and in truth and in His Spirit.

18) knowing that you were redeemed, not with corruptible things, with silver or gold, from the useless way of life handed down from your fathers,
19) but with precious blood, as of a lamb without blemish or spot, the blood of Christ;
(ASV) 23) having been begotten again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God, which liveth and abideth.

Verse 19 is saying that we are redeemed by the blood of Jesus. Life is in the blood (Leviticus 17:11), so therefore this verse is saying that we are redeemed by the life of Jesus, for the life of a perfect man was the redemption price for mankind. It goes on to say "as of a lamb without blemish or spot", comparing it to the sacrifice of a lamb in the temple of God, for such sacrifices were types pointing forward to Jesus' sacrifice of his life. But nowhere in the laws of the Old Testament sacrifices does it say that the priest, or anyone else, should drink the blood that was sacrificed.

You are corrupting the apostle Paul's teaching too! He said (1 Corinthians 3:2):

I fed you with milk, not with meat; for you weren’t yet ready. Indeed, not even now are you ready,​

and (Hebrews 5):

12) For although by this time you should be teachers, you again need to have someone teach you the rudiments of the first principles of the revelations of God. You have come to need milk, and not solid food.
13) For everyone who lives on milk is not experienced in the word of righteousness, for he is a baby.
14) But solid food is for those who are full grown, who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern good and evil.​

So Paul used the metaphors of milk and solid food (or meat), not milk and blood.

When Jesus said "for my flesh is truly food and my blood is truly drink" (John 6:55, Darby), he meant that his flesh and blood, which he was going to sacrifice as our redemption price, was truly life giving food and drink to us. John 6:32-33 (WEB):

32) Jesus therefore said to them, “Most certainly, I tell you, it wasn’t Moses who gave you the bread out of heaven, but my Father gives you the true bread out of heaven.
33) For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven [Jesus], and gives life to the world.”​

 

[robert derrick]

Where's the Scriptual evidence to back up your claim? I can't find any references to being filled with blood or of having Jesus' blood flowing through us.

The only passage I'm aware of which talks of drinking Jesus' blood is John 6, when Jesus said we should eat his flesh too:

47) Most certainly, I tell you, he who believes in me has eternal life.
48) I am the bread of life.
49) Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died.
50) This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, that anyone may eat of it and not die.
51) I am the living bread which came down out of heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. Yes, the bread which I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”
52) The Jews therefore contended with one another, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
53) Jesus therefore said to them, “Most certainly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you don’t have life in yourselves.
54) He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
55) For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56) He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood lives in me, and I in him.
57) As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father; so he who feeds on me, he will also live because of me.
58) This is the bread which came down out of heaven—not as our fathers ate the manna, and died. He who eats this bread will live forever.”
59) He said these things in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
60) Therefore many of his disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying! Who can listen to it?”
61) But Jesus knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at this, said to them, “Does this cause you to stumble?
62) Then what if you would see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?
63) It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life.
64) But there are some of you who don’t believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who didn’t believe, and who it was who would betray him.
65) He said, “For this cause I have said to you that no one can come to me, unless it is given to him by my Father.”
66) At this, many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

Note that Jesus explains that his literal flesh (and blood) would be of no benefit to them. His body (and blood) he sacrificed "for the life of the world" (v. 51), i.e. all mankind (Jews, Christians and gentiles). He ws speaking metaphorically, saying that he was the bread of life which came down from heaven, the anti-typical manna. Then he plainly stated what he meant - "The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life". In order to have eternal life, and for Jesus to resurrect us, we need to believe and absorb Jesus' teachings and commandments.

As priests we may symbolically sprinkle or plead the blood of Jesus - in word only, not literally! We are calling upon, or claiming, the merit of Jesus' sacrifice. Likewise, those believers living through the tribulation can be washed clean of their sins by the merit of Jesus' sacirfice, symbolically washing their robes his blood - it does not mean that they have been begotten again. All those resurrected in the second resurrection will likewise have their sins and unrighteousness symbolically covered by Jesus' blood, i.e. they are redeemed through the merit of Jesus' sacrifce of his life, just the same as Christians are.

The once human spirit being not in human bodies, because not born of God, yet having and keeping the faith of Jesus to be called saints of God that die in the Lord for His name's sake:

"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth." (rev 14)

And so neither are they justified by the faith of Jesus, though having and keeping His faith:

"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ." (Gal 2)

Because to be justified with God by faith of Jesus is to be redeemed with the blood of Jesus, which is to have received Him and been born again.

 

[keithr]

You have no Scriptural evidence nor even reference to 'spirit beings' in heaven, that were once human on earth, except by inferring figuratively from the Scripture that declares them to be people,

1 Corinthians 15:50 (WEB):

Now I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood can’t inherit God’s Kingdom; neither does the perishable inherit imperishable.​

Flesh and blood cannot exist in heaven, for heaven exists in dimensions which physical beings don't have access to. This is why spriit beings can seemingly appear out of and vanish into thin air, and to pass through walls, or be present but invisible to us. As Jesus put it:

"The wind blows where it wants to, and you hear its sound, but don’t know where it comes from and where it is going. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit." (John 3:8).​

 

[robert derrick]

Where's the Scriptual evidence to back up your claim? I can't find any references to being filled with blood or of having Jesus' blood flowing through us.

The only passage I'm aware of which talks of drinking Jesus' blood is John 6, when Jesus said we should eat his flesh too:

47) Most certainly, I tell you, he who believes in me has eternal life.
48) I am the bread of life.
49) Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died.
50) This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, that anyone may eat of it and not die.
51) I am the living bread which came down out of heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. Yes, the bread which I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”
52) The Jews therefore contended with one another, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
53) Jesus therefore said to them, “Most certainly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you don’t have life in yourselves.
54) He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
55) For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56) He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood lives in me, and I in him.
57) As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father; so he who feeds on me, he will also live because of me.
58) This is the bread which came down out of heaven—not as our fathers ate the manna, and died. He who eats this bread will live forever.”
59) He said these things in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
60) Therefore many of his disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying! Who can listen to it?”
61) But Jesus knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at this, said to them, “Does this cause you to stumble?
62) Then what if you would see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?
63) It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life.
64) But there are some of you who don’t believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who didn’t believe, and who it was who would betray him.
65) He said, “For this cause I have said to you that no one can come to me, unless it is given to him by my Father.”
66) At this, many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

Note that Jesus explains that his literal flesh (and blood) would be of no benefit to them. His body (and blood) he sacrificed "for the life of the world" (v. 51), i.e. all mankind (Jews, Christians and gentiles). He ws speaking metaphorically, saying that he was the bread of life which came down from heaven, the anti-typical manna. Then he plainly stated what he meant - "The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life". In order to have eternal life, and for Jesus to resurrect us, we need to believe and absorb Jesus' teachings and commandments.

As priests we may symbolically sprinkle or plead the blood of Jesus - in word only, not literally! We are calling upon, or claiming, the merit of Jesus' sacrifice. Likewise, those believers living through the tribulation can be washed clean of their sins by the merit of Jesus' sacirfice, symbolically washing their robes his blood - it does not mean that they have been begotten again. All those resurrected in the second resurrection will likewise have their sins and unrighteousness symbolically covered by Jesus' blood, i.e. they are redeemed through the merit of Jesus' sacrifce of his life, just the same as Christians are.

Spirit beings once human beings on earth, yet not having bodies of men as the man Christ Jesus, because not born again of God, because
not resurrected in the likeness of Christ, because the resurrection has passed, and yet washed in the blood of the Lamb, keeping His faith unto death.

Neither then are they saved by grace through faith, while yet confessing Jesus with His faith from the heart:

"If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb." (Rev 14)

We cannot have the salvation of God without being born again of God. Salvation is redemption is being born again of God by receiving Jesus, the Lamb of God with His blood washing us white as snow.

And so, though they cry Salvation to their God before the Lamb with the patience and faith of Jesus from the heart (Rev 14), yet they are not saved, because they cannot be born again, because the resurrection has already passed.

 

[robert derrick]

Where's the Scriptual evidence to back up your claim? I can't find any references to being filled with blood or of having Jesus' blood flowing through us.

The only passage I'm aware of which talks of drinking Jesus' blood is John 6, when Jesus said we should eat his flesh too:

47) Most certainly, I tell you, he who believes in me has eternal life.
48) I am the bread of life.
49) Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died.
50) This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, that anyone may eat of it and not die.
51) I am the living bread which came down out of heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. Yes, the bread which I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”
52) The Jews therefore contended with one another, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
53) Jesus therefore said to them, “Most certainly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you don’t have life in yourselves.
54) He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
55) For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56) He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood lives in me, and I in him.
57) As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father; so he who feeds on me, he will also live because of me.
58) This is the bread which came down out of heaven—not as our fathers ate the manna, and died. He who eats this bread will live forever.”
59) He said these things in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
60) Therefore many of his disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying! Who can listen to it?”
61) But Jesus knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at this, said to them, “Does this cause you to stumble?
62) Then what if you would see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?
63) It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life.
64) But there are some of you who don’t believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who didn’t believe, and who it was who would betray him.
65) He said, “For this cause I have said to you that no one can come to me, unless it is given to him by my Father.”
66) At this, many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

Note that Jesus explains that his literal flesh (and blood) would be of no benefit to them. His body (and blood) he sacrificed "for the life of the world" (v. 51), i.e. all mankind (Jews, Christians and gentiles). He ws speaking metaphorically, saying that he was the bread of life which came down from heaven, the anti-typical manna. Then he plainly stated what he meant - "The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life". In order to have eternal life, and for Jesus to resurrect us, we need to believe and absorb Jesus' teachings and commandments.

As priests we may symbolically sprinkle or plead the blood of Jesus - in word only, not literally! We are calling upon, or claiming, the merit of Jesus' sacrifice. Likewise, those believers living through the tribulation can be washed clean of their sins by the merit of Jesus' sacirfice, symbolically washing their robes his blood - it does not mean that they have been begotten again. All those resurrected in the second resurrection will likewise have their sins and unrighteousness symbolically covered by Jesus' blood, i.e. they are redeemed through the merit of Jesus' sacrifce of his life, just the same as Christians are.

To sum up:

Spirit beings once human on earth being made immortal in God's temple, being washed in the blood of the Lamb and having the faith of Jesus unto death, but without human form like the man Christ Jesus, because not being born again into His body, because not being resurrected in His likeness with His body, which resurrection has passed:


1. Washed in the blood but not drinking of His blood. Outside of the cup is washed clean without the inside being cleaned.

2. Drinking His blood but not having His blood on the inside, the inner man of Christ not filled with His blood, because all such are members of His body, in which is His blood.
-and since drinking is only symbolic, then so is washing, and so is the blood.
-even as being called people is only figurative.

3. Washed in the blood but not redeemed with the blood, because there is no redemption nor forgiveness of sins without being born again.
-And symbolic washing and blood is symbolic redemption and forgiveness of sins.

4. Keeping the faith of Jesus, but not justified by His faith, because justification by faith is through redemption.
-And justification is imputed righteousness of God through forgiveness of sins.
-And therefore washed in His blood but not justified by His blood.

5. Serving God in His temple, and yet not sanctified unto Himself by the sanctification of the Spirit, by which we are born again.
-And with sanctification is redemption is forgiveness of sins is being born of God
-And symbolic was

6. Washed in the blood, but not justified and saved by the blood, because by being justified we shall be saved, and there is no salvation of Jesus by His blood without receiving Him and being born again

7. Confessing Jesus with the mouth from the faith of the heart, and yet not saved, because salvation of God is by Jesus' blood of redemption, justification, and sanctification in Him as a member of the body of Christ.

"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb." (Rev 14)

Crying salvation to God from the heart before the Lamb as a people in white robes, but not saved, nor redeemed, nor justified, not sanctified, not raised from the dead in the body of Christ, nor having bodies of man in His likeness.

Why? Because the 1st resurrection has already passed, because they say it has without any independent Scriptural proof thereof.

(A perfect number 7 without even planning it!)

 

[robert derrick]

To sum up:

Spirit beings once human on earth being made immortal in God's temple, being washed in the blood of the Lamb and having the faith of Jesus unto death, but without human form like the man Christ Jesus, because not being born again into His body, because not being resurrected in His likeness with His body, which resurrection has passed:


1. Washed in the blood but not drinking of His blood. Outside of the cup is washed clean without the inside being cleaned.

2. Drinking His blood but not having His blood on the inside, the inner man of Christ not filled with His blood, because all such are members of His body, in which is His blood.
-and since drinking is only symbolic, then so is washing, and so is the blood.
-even as being called people is only figurative.

3. Washed in the blood but not redeemed with the blood, because there is no redemption nor forgiveness of sins without being born again.
-And symbolic washing and blood is symbolic redemption and forgiveness of sins.

4. Keeping the faith of Jesus, but not justified by His faith, because justification by faith is through redemption.
-And justification is imputed righteousness of God through forgiveness of sins.
-And therefore washed in His blood but not justified by His blood.

5. Serving God in His temple, and yet not sanctified unto Himself by the sanctification of the Spirit, by which we are born again.
-And with sanctification is redemption is forgiveness of sins is being born of God
-And symbolic was

6. Washed in the blood, but not justified and saved by the blood, because by being justified we shall be saved, and there is no salvation of Jesus by His blood without receiving Him and being born again

7. Confessing Jesus with the mouth from the faith of the heart, and yet not saved, because salvation of God is by Jesus' blood of redemption, justification, and sanctification in Him as a member of the body of Christ.

"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb." (Rev 14)

Crying salvation to God from the heart before the Lamb as a people in white robes, but not saved, nor redeemed, nor justified, not sanctified, not raised from the dead in the body of Christ, nor having bodies of man in His likeness.

Why? Because the 1st resurrection has already passed, because they say it has without any independent Scriptural proof thereof.

(A perfect number 7 without even planning it!)

And then there are a few more:

Human bodiless spirit brings washed the blood of the Lamb during great tribulation, but not born again, because the ressurection has passed:

1. You can have the faith of Jesus, without receiving Him as Son of God, and so be born of God. (Rev 14) (John 1)

All those receiving the faith of Jesus into their hearts, receive Him to become sons of God.

2. And then of course there is always that one Sfripture of certain proof, that is often overlooked, because we so enjoy sifting thru the multitude of wheat of Scripture:

"Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen" (Rev 1)

All who are washed in the blood of the Lamb are made kings and priests to God, not 'just' unembodied servant spirits in His temple.

 

[robert derrick]

Being washed in the blood of the Lamb is never too late. Which is not in Scripture at all, and not can be forcibly made Scripture by an equally false teaching of the 1st resurrection must be before the last great tribulation on earth.

Behold how many false doctrines and lunatic theories are made in order to force the resurrection as passed during that tribulation.

"Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some." (2 Tim 2)

For Jesus Christ in us is the hope of glory (Col 1), and if the resurrection is past, then what hope have we? Disembodied spirits washed by the blood of the Lamb but not loved and saved as His own brothers???? and died for Christ but not justified and redeemed nor confessed us such????

"Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God." (Luke 12)

Confess all such before the angels, not as one of them.

Such a teaching truly is Scriptureless, Spiritless, bloodless, faithless, without family of God, and without hope of glory.

Truly such a teaching among them convinced the resurrection has past would in deed overthrow the faith of many. And that is probably why there would be such a small remnant of faithful to Jesus during the last great tribulation on earth. Rather than steeling the forehead firm and press on toward the mark with strong faith and mighty works unto the end, many would no doubt just forget the faith, join the beast, and make war with the Saints as allies of the devil.

Deceived by the beast? Sure.. Because the dragon has came up with such a false doctrine of hopelessness in Christ Jesus, and his first favorite beast will certainly preach ti to fullest extent and effect.

"This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you. They zealously affect you, but not well; yea, they would exclude you, that ye might affect them. I would they were even cut off which trouble you." (Gal 4-5)

Such mysticalized and symbolized false teaching that openly rejects the Scriptures as plainly written, separate and exclude believers from the rest of the body of Christ, just so the teachers thereof might have effective preeminence over their faith:

"Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your for by faith ye stand." (2 Cor 1)

 

[robert derrick]

"Now I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood can’t inherit God’s Kingdom; neither does the perishable inherit imperishable."

"Flesh and blood cannot exist in heaven, for heaven exists in dimensions which physical beings don't have access to."

Flesh and blood of man cannot, but flesh and blood of Christ does, and so with all them born of His Spirit and drink of His blood.

This is the flesh indeed and the blood indeed with which we are resurrected into immortal and incorruptible. This is the true God and eternal life.

Your carnal mind, being void of Spiritual things, conceives the worldly things of this life only, not in the true and eternal things of the the kingdom of God in heaven, which are the true riches that endure forever, and are more real and lasting than your carnal things of the world.

 

[robert derrick]

18) knowing that you were redeemed, not with corruptible things, with silver or gold, from the useless way of life handed down from your fathers,
19) but with precious blood, as of a lamb without blemish or spot, the blood of Christ;
(ASV) 23) having been begotten again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God, which liveth and abideth.

Verse 19 is saying that we are redeemed by the blood of Jesus. Life is in the blood (Leviticus 17:11), so therefore this verse is saying that we are redeemed by the life of Jesus, for the life of a perfect man was the redemption price for mankind. It goes on to say "as of a lamb without blemish or spot", comparing it to the sacrifice of a lamb in the temple of God, for such sacrifices were types pointing forward to Jesus' sacrifice of his life. But nowhere in the laws of the Old Testament sacrifices does it say that the priest, or anyone else, should drink the blood that was sacrificed.

You are corrupting the apostle Paul's teaching too! He said (1 Corinthians 3:2):

I fed you with milk, not with meat; for you weren’t yet ready. Indeed, not even now are you ready,​

and (Hebrews 5):

12) For although by this time you should be teachers, you again need to have someone teach you the rudiments of the first principles of the revelations of God. You have come to need milk, and not solid food.
13) For everyone who lives on milk is not experienced in the word of righteousness, for he is a baby.
14) But solid food is for those who are full grown, who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern good and evil.​

So Paul used the metaphors of milk and solid food (or meat), not milk and blood.

When Jesus said "for my flesh is truly food and my blood is truly drink" (John 6:55, Darby), he meant that his flesh and blood, which he was going to sacrifice as our redemption price, was truly life giving food and drink to us. John 6:32-33 (WEB):

32) Jesus therefore said to them, “Most certainly, I tell you, it wasn’t Moses who gave you the bread out of heaven, but my Father gives you the true bread out of heaven.
33) For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven [Jesus], and gives life to the world.”​

"But nowhere in the laws of the Old Testament sacrifices does it say that the priest, or anyone else, should drink the blood that was sacrificed."

Seriously? You are looking in the Old Testament for the things of the New? Jesus Christ in the New declares we must drink of His blood that we may have eternal Life, the blood that His Life is in, and you don't believe it, because the carnal commandments of the Old do not say so?

The Old Testament does not speak nor prophecy of drinking and being washed in the blood of the Lamb, even as it does not speak nor prophecy of those who do so being made kings and priests to God. So there is no drinking and washing in the blood and no priests and kings to God, because you don't read it in the Old Covenant?

It is no small wonder that you are stuck relying on the Old Covenant, while trying to appear to live under the New, because you are stuck believing on the name of Jehovah only in the Old, while only giving lip service to the name of Jesus in the New, which is above and replaces the name of Jehovah, even as the New is above and replaces the Old.

Having nothing to do with the blood of the Lamb, you likewise have nothing to do with the Spirit of God. And you see no lack thereby, because you only have to do with the LORD Jehovah and a falsely created christ and a manufactured spirit of force. The vail of Jehovah only is over your heart, when reading the Scripture of the New Covenant, even as the vail of Moses remains over the hearts of the unbelieving Jews when reading Scripture of the Old. (2 Cor 3)

Since He is only a created 'spirit being', you care nothing for the blood of the Lamb as real and true in the kingdom of God on earth and in heaven, but only pass it off as symbolic and figurative reference.

You want the forgiveness of sins by the blood of the Lamb in the New Covenant, but you want it after the manner of bulls and goats in the Old Covenant. You want to 'plead' it, but you refuse to drink it. You want salvation of God without the cross of Jesus.

You are all carnally minded and full of intellectual symbolism, not having the Spirit of Christ nor understanding of the things of God. You are not grounded in the truth of Scripture, but rather are high minded in the mysticism of your own traditions.

There is no speaking with such people pertaining to the things of the Spirit and the kingdom of God and of Heaven according to the Scriptures of the New Covenant, who reject them in order to maintain the Scripture of the Old Covenant only.

I would rather be disputing Scripture with an unbelieving Jew that offers no appearance of honor to Jesus Christ, than with such as you.

This 'discussion' between us is therefore utterly vain and at an end. If such as you go on to try and state your false doctrine with anything new, then I will rebut it, but otherwise: "A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject."

 

[keithr]

"But nowhere in the laws of the Old Testament sacrifices does it say that the priest, or anyone else, should drink the blood that was sacrificed."

Seriously? You are looking in the Old Testament for the things of the New?

You've ignored what I said, again. 1 Peter 1:19 says, "but with precious blood, as of a lamb without blemish or spot, the blood of Christ". Peter was comparing the blood of Jesus with the blood of a sacrificed lamb for the temple sacrifices, and/or for the passover lamb when God brought the Israelites out of Egypt (Exodus 12:5). You quoted parts of 1 Peter to me (omitting the "lamb without blemish or spot" part); I was just commenting on it and explaining it more fully, in context. The majority of God's word to us is the Old Testament - we should not ignore it! It helps us to better understand the New Testament.

As Chuck Missler often said, "The New Testament is in the Old Testament concealed; the Old Testament is in the New Testament revealed".

It is no small wonder that you are stuck relying on the Old Covenant, while trying to appear to live under the New, because you are stuck believing on the name of Jehovah only in the Old, while only giving lip service to the name of Jesus in the New, which is above and replaces the name of Jehovah, even as the New is above and replaces the Old.
....

[Continued attacking insults on me and false accusations, because you don't want to believe the Scriptures that I've quoted and explained.]

This 'discussion' between us is therefore utterly vain and at an end. If such as you go on to try and state your false doctrine with anything new, then I will rebut it

Staying with Peter's epistle, 1 Peter 3:

8) Finally, be all like-minded, compassionate, loving as brothers, tender hearted, courteous,
9) not rendering evil for evil, or insult for insult; but instead blessing; knowing that to this were you called, that you may inherit a blessing.​

So I won't reply with insults and slanders. I'll simply agree to end our conversation.

 

[robert derrick]

All they who are washed in the blood of the Lamb are saved, justified, sanctified, and saints born of God into His body, for they are holy as God is holy.

All such that die in Christ and remain alive unto the end of great tribulation have part in the First Resurrection, even as they are members of the body in part.

They are specially blessed and holy in the 1st resurrection, because they will not be raised unto judgment of the books, nor will the 2nd death have any power over them at that time, but rather they will be raised and change in a single moment from corruptible to incorruptible and immortal.

Those who believe the Gospel of Jesus preached on earth during His reign, ministered perfectly without error or deceivable lies from the dragon, who will be shut up, will likewise die in Christ, and be raised again unto judgment and eternal Life, in the next resurrection, being found with their names written in the Lamb's book of Life.

So that all who remain to the new heaven and new earth shall dwell with God and serve Him in resurrected newness of eternal Life, and shall be the nations of the saved that bring their glory and honour into the New Jerusalem by the gates thereof.

 

[robert derrick]

"Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." (I Peter 1)

"Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." (2 Peter 1)

"And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." (Rev 7)

Salvation revealed at in last time of the last days of the last great tribulation on earth: to them that have like precious faith by the like precious blood of the Lamb receiving the like gift of God (Acts 11:17) as the apostles and all that believe, all having part in being resurrected as one body and a great multitude of members in part.

The 1st resurrection is not until the fellowservants of John, a companion in tribulation (Rev 6, 1), and Peter a martyr in tribulation, should be killed as they were, which will be fulfilled in the last great tribulation on earth.

 

[robert derrick]

"And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads." (Rev 7)

"God Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things. And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh. Little children, it is the last time." (Heb 1) (Acts 2)(I John 2)

The servants of God have been sealed, are being sealed, and shall be sealed, until the time of the end with the 1st resurrection in the midst of great tribulation.

They are sealed when the winds blow not and time itself stands still, and they know that He is God (Psalms 46), especially in the times of great tribulation, for through much tribulation must they enter into the kingdom of God (Acts 14), as even when walking through the valley of the shadow of death.

These are all saints of God in Christ Jesus past, present, and future in times of trouble, the inheritors of the promise made to Abraham, that they should be the children of promise as Isaac (Gal 4), the children of the Israel of God.

"And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth." (Rev 14)

All the servants of God, sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, the earnest of the inheritance of saints in Light, the redeemed of the Lord that first trusted in Christ (Eph 1). Now raised up and risen together in one body of the first resurrection, to stand upon that Mt Sion, which they were all coming to by faith of Jesus on earth. (Heb 12)

There is neither Jew nor Greek in Christ Jesus, and though He came to His own first as promised, He also came to the Gentiles as prophesied, when His own received Him not, never again come to the lost sheep of Israel only, but to any and all that would call upon His name and be saved and redeemed from the earth. (Matthew 15)

The 144,000 total saints of God in Christ Jesus sealed in the last days in a time of stillness with God, and resurrected in the last time of the great days of much tribulation.

 

[robert derrick]

Believing the first resurrection is already occurring is tempting:

It began with the old testament saints being counted as dead and Christ and resurrected with Christ's resurrection.

And them absent from the body are now immediately resurrected as dead in Christ to be present with the Lord.

And there will be a final remnant alive and remaining to finish the 1st resurrection.

The problem is that bodily resurrection of the saints did not occur with that of Jesus:

David's body was still in the grave when Peter preached the gospel. (Acts 2:29)

And when Paul said to absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, he was saying that we are still absent from the body, when we die in Christ.

No bodily resurrection, therefore no first resurrection, where the bodies of the dead in Christ rise first incorruptible, and them that are alive and remain are changed bodily to immortality and meet with them in the air.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Believing the first resurrection is already occurring is tempting:

It began with the old testament saints being counted as dead and Christ and resurrected with Christ's resurrection.

And them absent from the body are now immediately resurrected as dead in Christ to be present with the Lord.

And there will be a final remnant alive and remaining to finish the 1st resurrection.

The problem is that bodily resurrection of the saints did not occur with that of Jesus:

David's body was still in the grave when Peter preached the gospel. (Acts 2:29)

And when Paul said to absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, he was saying that we are still absent from the body, when we die in Christ.

No bodily resurrection, therefore no first resurrection, where the bodies of the dead in Christ rise first incorruptible, and them that are alive and remain are changed bodily to immortality and meet with them in the air.

What has happened is this:

1. When Jesus ascended He led captivity captive. IOW He emptied Abrahams bosom and took all the righteous souls to heaven.

2. Now when a church saint dies- they immediately go to be with the Lord.

3. Starting after the rapture, which ends the church or body of Christ, all who die go somewhere I know not.

Rev. 5:
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

It is from the rapture to the return of Jesus, these are the souls resurrected.

As for the bodies of the OT saints, there isn o definitive Scripture when they are reunited with their bodies. church dead, their bodies rise up to meet their souls in heaven. And we who are alive- go up bodily to meet the Lord in the air. so our physical bodies are glorified some point after the trumpet sounds and we disappear form here!

 

[robert derrick]

What has happened is this:

1. When Jesus ascended He led captivity captive. IOW He emptied Abrahams bosom and took all the righteous souls to heaven.

2. Now when a church saint dies- they immediately go to be with the Lord.

3. Starting after the rapture, which ends the church or body of Christ, all who die go somewhere I know not.

Rev. 5:
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

It is from the rapture to the return of Jesus, these are the souls resurrected.

As for the bodies of the OT saints, there isn o definitive Scripture when they are reunited with their bodies. church dead, their bodies rise up to meet their souls in heaven. And we who are alive- go up bodily to meet the Lord in the air. so our physical bodies are glorified some point after the trumpet sounds and we disappear form here!

Leading the souls of captivity captive would be true.

The souls of the dead in Christ from the old covenant were under the altar of God in heaven, and were given robes, until them of the new covenant would join them, upon their own death in Christ.

They are seated in heavenly places awaiting resurrection of their bodies, them that are alive are also seated in heavenly places, but not yet robed, awaiting either their death in Christ or remaining alive to the end of the last days, which will be the 1st resurrection of all bodies of dead and alive saints.

The main point is that no bodily resurrection, other than that of Jesus, has occurred, because we David was still in the grave during the time of the Apostles, and we are absent from our bodies to be present with the Lord.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Leading the souls of captivity captive would be true.

The souls of the dead in Christ from the old covenant were under the altar of God in heaven, and were given robes, until them of the new covenant would join them, upon their own death in Christ.

They are seated in heavenly places awaiting resurrection of their bodies, them that are alive are also seated in heavenly places, but not yet robed, awaiting either their death in Christ or remaining alive to the end of the last days, which will be the 1st resurrection of all bodies of dead and alive saints.

The main point is that no bodily resurrection, other than that of Jesus, has occurred, because we David was still in the grave during the time of the Apostles, and we are absent from our bodies to be present with the Lord.

Well it is true that as of now- no other resurrection and ascencion has taken place of any persons body.

But the first resurrection will be at the rapture. the dead in Christ as it is written refers to th eir bodies. As Paul worte in Corinthians that tobe absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. So when a church saint dies, their soul goes to heaven to be with the Lord while their body goes intot he ground.