Obeying Government

[Marc RL Ministry]

Christians I come across in general tend to use the scripture of Paul in Romans 13 that we must obey Government in regards to our churches being closed and being locked up at home in lockdowns and taking these vaccines etc.

My question is what will those of you who hold to this doctrine as truth do when ALL NATIONS command that we worship satan and take his mark?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Christians I come across in general tend to use the scripture of Paul in Romans 13 that we must obey Government in regards to our churches being closed and being locked up at home in lockdowns and taking these vaccines etc.

My question is what will those of you who hold to this doctrine as truth do when ALL NATIONS command that we worship satan and take his mark?

No way, Jose! God won't expect us to either.

 

[quietthinker]

Christians I come across in general tend to use the scripture of Paul in Romans 13 that we must obey Government in regards to our churches being closed and being locked up at home in lockdowns and taking these vaccines etc.

My question is what will those of you who hold to this doctrine as truth do when ALL NATIONS command that we worship satan and take his mark?

I doubt that the NATIONS will recognise it is Satan ....and true to his nature, stealth and concealment will make all things look in order and acceptable.

 

[Wrangler]

Obeying righteous government is expected.


Rebellion against tyrants is obedience to God.
Benjamin Franklin

 

[April_Rose]

Question though,.. why should it be the government's business in the first place to close churches? Doesn't that interfere with the right of religion?

 

[Enoch111]

Question though,.. why should it be the government's business in the first place to close churches? Doesn't that interfere with the right of religion?

Governments do not care any longer about the right to freely worship. And they love to interfere with Christian churches and Christians since they are essentially all minions of Satan.

So Christians are obligated to obey governments only up to the point that their laws do not conflict with the commandments of God and Christ.

Once they do, Christians should literally sue governments (which is not happening) and take them to either the Supreme Courts or to the International Court of Justice. Governments are essentially bullies abusing their power, so when you stand up to bullies, they back off.

When Western governments fraudulently claimed that Christian worship was non-essential, all churches should have banded together and sued the governments to prove their case in court.

And they have no case as is evident in Alberta, Canada, where I live. In the case of Pastor James Coates (who stood up to government bullying) the government of Alberta actually asked the court to exempt them from proving their case! This could never have ever happened that a prosecutor tells the judge that since he has no case, he should be exempted from proving it. Rather than throw this bogus case out of court, this corrupt judge claimed that the pastor's Charter Rights were not violated. Had the lawyers sued the government of Alberta instead of going on the defensive, things might have turned out differently.

 

[robert derrick]

I give unto Caesar what is Caesars: a penny.

 

[robert derrick]

I started doing what the man said and paid my fair share, and I decided what that would be. About 10 %.

 

[robert derrick]

When they are ministers of God for righteousness, fine. When they are minister of the devil for despotism, not fine.

"Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."

 

[robert derrick]

The same pompous evangelicals that preach obedience to the state in every detail, also preach worship of the unbelieving and crucifying Jews as chosen people of God.

 

[JunChosen]

Obeying righteous government is expected.

Most certainly. What about a wicked entity?

Well let's see what God has to say?

Jeremiah 27:8-12
8 And it shall come to pass, [that] the nation and kingdom which will not serve the same Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, and that will not put their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, that nation will I punish, saith the LORD, with the sword, and with the famine, and with the pestilence, until I have consumed them by his hand.
9 Therefore hearken not ye to your prophets, nor to your diviners, nor to your dreamers, nor to your enchanters, nor to your sorcerers, which speak unto you, saying, Ye shall not serve the king of Babylon:
10 For they prophesy a lie unto you, to remove you far from your land; and that I should drive you out, and ye should perish.
11 But the nations that bring their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, and serve him, those will I let remain still in their own land, saith the LORD; and they shall till it, and dwell therein.
12 ¶ I spake also to Zedekiah king of Judah according to all these words, saying, Bring your necks under the yoke of the king of Babylon, and serve him and his people, and live.
13 Why will ye die, thou and thy people, by the sword, by the famine, and by the pestilence, as the LORD hath spoken against the nation that will not serve the king of Babylon?

@Enoch111

To God Be The Glory

 

[K9Buck]

Rebellion against tyrants is obedience to God.
Benjamin Franklin

What verse did Benjamin cite to back his claim?

 

[K9Buck]

The same pompous evangelicals that preach obedience to the state in every detail

Well, I believe that we are supposed to obey government laws unless those laws violate God's laws.

I believe abortion violates God's laws. What should a Christian do, if anything, to shut down abortion clinics?

 

[K9Buck]

that nation will I punish, saith the LORD

It's one thing for the almighty to "punish" a nation, but it's not clear when, if ever, Christians should "punish" another.

 

[K9Buck]

When they are minister of the devil for despotism, not fine.

Jesus and his fellow Jews lived in a very despotic land. They had two tyrants ruling them, King Herod and the Romans. What did Jesus preach about how to deal with King Herod, the Romans, and, as well, any other "despots"?

 

[quietthinker]

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[robert derrick]

Well, I believe that we are supposed to obey government laws unless those laws violate God's laws.

I believe abortion violates God's laws. What should a Christian do, if anything, to shut down abortion clinics?

Personally, if there is a choice between life of mother and of baby, I choose my wife, and look for another baby.

I believe they are souls of babies to be taken care of in some other manner in the hands of a loving and just God. They can't go to hell, because that requires judging works, which babies have none.


That said, 'Activism' is not Scripture. It's called being busy bodies in other men's affairs. No Scripture whatsoever commands Christians to tear down pagan statues, destroy their temples, 'activate' against hill side exposures of unwanted babies...

"If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men."

Laws that we don't obey are those forcing us to do something or to not do something, contrary to faith and conscience.

"And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin."

The apostles were being commanded to not preach the gospel: persecution.

If we are commanded to assist in abortion clinics or engage in homosexuality as a kind of 666 right of passage, then don't.

Otherwise, I suppose you can pray for them if not get directly involved in philanthropic efforts of alternatives or political change.

Frankly, If someone wants to commit abortion and ruin their own hearts and lives, that's their business. Now, if something were in my direct power to stop some crime against God or humanity, then I would ask God, what He wanted me to do about it.

So long as it is by faith, willing to stand before His judgment seat, then go for it.

 

[robert derrick]

Jesus and his fellow Jews lived in a very despotic land. They had two tyrants ruling them, King Herod and the Romans. What did Jesus preach about how to deal with King Herod, the Romans, and, as well, any other "despots"?

"If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men."

Generally despots leave you alone so long as you leave them alone.

Active tyranny is different. They don't allow for peaceable obedience to strict rule. You either get in, flee, or get whacked.

They tried to make Jesus king in order to rebel against Rome. He refused. If I were a Christian, I wouldn't have rebelled, because Jesus didn't, and He's the only who could have succeeded. The zealot Jews were fools, that were rebelling against Rome in the name of a LORD they knew not, and had already gotten crucified.

 

[TheslightestID]

Christians I come across in general tend to use the scripture of Paul in Romans 13 that we must obey Government in regards to our churches being closed and being locked up at home in lockdowns and taking these vaccines etc.

My question is what will those of you who hold to this doctrine as truth do when ALL NATIONS command that we worship satan and take his mark?

You are talking about two different things, and on top of that, we all know perfectly well, the Mark of the Beast is an exception, and has nothing to do with government business as usual.

 

[Wrangler]

Most certainly. What about a wicked entity?

Well let's see what God has to say?

Jeremiah 27:8-12

The verses you quote is a consequence of God's Judgment on Israel.