Signs of the Times: The Great Apostasy

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It is my belief and observation that we are in the midst of The Great Apostasy predicted by The Holy Bible for the last days. Let's take a look at what 'apostasy' is and a brief peek at the Biblical prediction of it.

Apostasy - (noun)
1. The act of abandoning a party or cause.
2. The state of having rejected your religious beliefs, political party, cause or sports team in favor of opposing beliefs, causes or teams.
3. A defection, renunciation, disaffiliation, abandonment or revolt from a previous association.
4. (Islamic definition) Rejection in word or deed of one's former religion.
5. (Christian definition) To fall away from the truth.

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"for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,
2 Thess. 2:3 (KJV)

"Let no one in any way deceive you, for it [Jesus' return] will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,"
2 Thess. 2:3, (NASB)

"And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God: I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So because thou art lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spew thee out of my mouth."
Revelation 3:14-19

For a more current observation of the global religious climate consider the following;


" During the weekend of November 13, many Christian churches across the United States began a series of sermons aimed at bringing about reconciliation between Muslims and Christians. These misguided Presbyterian ministers are trying to focus on a relationship between the Holy Bible and the Koran they call "Chrislam." They are saying that because the Koran mentions Jesus that there is common ground with Christianity.
To prove their point, they are placing Korans along side the Holy Bible in their pews. And they are teaching that you can be a follower of Christ without necessarily believing that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, who died for our sins offering the gift of eternal salvation."
www.thetreeofliberty.com

Here are some specific items to add to the argument;

* President George Bush worshipped in a Japanese Shinto shrine & hosted Islamic services in the White House
* "Jews, Muslims, and pagans without a knowledge of Christ can still go to heaven." Billy Graham
* "We are little gods." Paul Crouch (Head of Trinity Broadcasting Network)
* Pope Benedict XVI kissed the Qur'an and welcomed all religions as one.
* The rise of the Chrislam movement.
Commentator Paul Williams states, "The Chrislam movement has gained impetus by statements from President George W. Bush and that Christians, Jews, and Muslims all worship the same God and by Rick Warren's reference to Isa (the Muslim name for Jesus) in his prayer at the inauguration of President Barack Obama." Williams points out that Jesus in the Koran is not the only-begotten Son of God nor the Messiah. Williams says, "He is rather viewed as a prophet who was appointed by Allah to prepare mankind for the coming of Mohammad." In the Koran, Williams reminds readers, "The victim at Calvary, Islam teaches, was either Simon of Cyrene or Judas Iscariot."
 

Duckybill

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'Christianity' is a HUGE mess. The 'Church' is dead and powerless, with little resemblance of the NT Church. But God will clean up His Church.
 

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Indeed, nothing new, but the apostasy is getting worse.

False ideas that Christ Jesus is not the only Way to Heaven has been preached for centuries. When Christian denominations that originally never held to such ideas start believing it, that certainly does signal a new chapter in Church history. It shows those Church systems having been taken over by Christ's enemies, their becoming beth-avens (houses of vanity).

But that still doesn't mean true Christianity has failed, for the foundation our Lord Jesus and His prophets and Apostles laid will never be corrupted; only the beth-avens who depart from the Way are simply cut off, pruned.

One of the signs of the end associated with this apostasy event is the type ministry God's two witnesses are to have. Their ministry is to parallel Elijah's ministry. And what kind of things happenned to God's people in Elijah's days? Elijah ran for his life because the pagan Jezebel had killed most of God's prophets and Elijah was one of the few left. The majority of the people had fallen into false Baal idol worship led by Jezebel and the Baal prophets. But God called Elijah out to give Testimony against them, and showed many works through Elijah that turned many back to The LORD.

Only those of Christ's servants that remain faithful to Him will God work through in the last days, similar to Elijah. Remember how John the Baptist came in the spirit of Elijah and was persecuted for making a stand without fear. Christ declared how John was no reed shaking in the wind, showing he made a stand against the false religious heads and corruptness of his day.

 

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Indeed, nothing new, but the apostasy is getting worse.

False ideas that Christ Jesus is not the only Way to Heaven has been preached for centuries. When Christian denominations that originally never held to such ideas start believing it, that certainly does signal a new chapter in Church history. It shows those Church systems having been taken over by Christ's enemies, their becoming beth-avens (houses of vanity).

But that still doesn't mean true Christianity has failed, for the foundation our Lord Jesus and His prophets and Apostles laid will never be corrupted; only the beth-avens who depart from the Way are simply cut off, pruned.

One of the signs of the end associated with this apostasy event is the type ministry God's two witnesses are to have. Their ministry is to parallel Elijah's ministry. And what kind of things happenned to God's people in Elijah's days? Elijah ran for his life because the pagan Jezebel had killed most of God's prophets and Elijah was one of the few left. The majority of the people had fallen into false Baal idol worship led by Jezebel and the Baal prophets. But God called Elijah out to give Testimony against them, and showed many works through Elijah that turned many back to The LORD.

Only those of Christ's servants that remain faithful to Him will God work through in the last days, similar to Elijah. Remember how John the Baptist came in the spirit of Elijah and was persecuted for making a stand without fear. Christ declared how John was no reed shaking in the wind, showing he made a stand against the false religious heads and corruptness of his day.



Don’t stop with Elijah, Elisha received a double portion.
 

BarryD

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Why does the Lord Jesus Christ have to return and finish, what he stated was finished. The Lord Jesus Christ santified (to make Holy) us once for all ( Hebrews 10:10). The name of the anti-Christ is in the New Testament of the canonized Bible, as is also the son of perdition-the man of sin, is he someone you trust? Study to show thyself approved, a workman that does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of truth. Are many Christians looking to the future for events that have already taken place? Do you serve a weak God? My God finished it once for all, and He is also the saviour of all men, specially of those that believe!. 1Timothy 4:10.
 

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Why does the Lord Jesus Christ have to return and finish, what he stated was finished. The Lord Jesus Christ santified (to make Holy) us once for all ( Hebrews 10:10). The name of the anti-Christ is in the New Testament of the canonized Bible, as is also the son of perdition-the man of sin, is he someone you trust? Study to show thyself approved, a workman that does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of truth. Are many Christians looking to the future for events that have already taken place? Do you serve a weak God? My God finished it once for all, and He is also the saviour of all men, specially of those that believe!. 1Timothy 4:10.

It's true that salvation was achieved once and for all at the cross, but the Bible clearly teaches that Jesus will return again. Christians long for the day when our Lord will return and suffering will be no more!!
 

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Why does the Lord Jesus Christ have to return and finish, what he stated was finished. The Lord Jesus Christ santified (to make Holy) us once for all ( Hebrews 10:10). The name of the anti-Christ is in the New Testament of the canonized Bible, as is also the son of perdition-the man of sin, is he someone you trust? Study to show thyself approved, a workman that does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of truth. Are many Christians looking to the future for events that have already taken place? Do you serve a weak God? My God finished it once for all, and He is also the saviour of all men, specially of those that believe!. 1Timothy 4:10.

Failing to understand that Christ's Salvation is not of 'this' present world could only happen from not staying in all of God's Word. There's quite a bit Bible prophecy yet to be fulfilled today. Churches that won't teach it are not staying within God's Word, and their congregations are not being prepared for the end of this present world.
 

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No, I don't have quite an imagination, just the truth. If the blind lead the blind, do they both fall into a ditch. I know what is blinding, and I do not look at it. In Matthew 24:14 (KJV) it is stated "and this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come". The question to ask yourself is, has the gospel been preached? In the verse of Revelation 5:13 (KJV) John writes "And every creature which is heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I (John) saying, Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. Would you consider this to be every creature under heaven? In the verse of Revelation 14:6 (KJV) "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. Would you consider this everyone? So, the question still remains, has the gospel been preached to every creature under heaven? I know that I have quoted Revelation, and many think it has not taken place yet? Now let's look at Pauls letter to the Colossians chapter 1 verse 23, and it states in the KJV " If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister". Has every creature under heaven heard the gospel? If they have, which God's word said they have, and Jesus Christ was not lying (which he was not) in Matthew 24:14, then the end of the world has taken place. The question now is what was the old world, and what is the new world? I know what it is, and do not want to get into it. And on the fulfillment of prophecy, it has all been fulfilled, see Mark 1:15 (KJV). John was the last prophet see Luke 16:16. Jesus Christ has also made one blood all nations of men, see Acts 17:26 (KJV) Did he come back on the day of Pentecost? So, no imagination, just truth, watch out you maybe a preterist before long. My God is the saviour of all men, specially those that believe! 1Timothy 4:10
 

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BD,
You are in the ditch. You do not understand Mathew 24. You do not know meanings of the words, sunteleia / telos / parousia or how they differ from each other.
 

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BD,
You are in the ditch. You do not understand Mathew 24. You do not know meanings of the words, sunteleia / telos / parousia or how they differ from each other.
Tom,
Professing to be wise. Why do I need to know the meaning of these words that you have given? I know English, and I know what is said in English. Why do you not question me on the other verses? Why is it so difficult for so called Christians to believe the the Lord Jesus Christ saved everyone? Are you blinded, do you know what you are blinded from? If you can give me the verses, stating what blinds us, I might give some consideration to what you have to say, until then, keep studying. Love ya, brother
 

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Tom,
Professing to be wise. Why do I need to know the meaning of these words that you have given? I know English, and I know what is said in English. Why do you not question me on the other verses? Why is it so difficult for so called Christians to believe the the Lord Jesus Christ saved everyone? Are you blinded, do you know what you are blinded from? If you can give me the verses, stating what blinds us, I might give some consideration to what you have to say, until then, keep studying. Love ya, brother


sunteleia / telos / parousia are three different words for the end used in Matthew 24, if you do not know how they differ you will not understand what Christ is telling us in Matthew 24. But you think you are so wise. Why would I want to question you on anything when you don't know the answers.
 

BarryD

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sunteleia / telos / parousia are three different words for the end used in Matthew 24, if you do not know how they differ you will not understand what Christ is telling us in Matthew 24. But you think you are so wise. Why would I want to question you on anything when you don't know the answers.
Sunteleia- entire completion, ie consummation; telos-an impost or levy (as paid); the conclusion of an act or state; parousia-of Christ to punish Jerusalem, or finally the wicked, coming presence. Now I have answered what these three words mean, and know the difference in them. John 17:4 (KJV) Jesus Christ states that he has finished the work that the Father gave him to do, I would consider that as completed. The price that Jesus Christ paid was his blood, and Jerusalem was destroyed in the year 70 AD. Iron sharpens iron.
 

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Sunteleia- entire completion, ie consummation; telos-an impost or levy (as paid); the conclusion of an act or state; parousia-of Christ to punish Jerusalem, or finally the wicked, coming presence. Now I have answered what these three words mean, and know the difference in them. John 17:4 (KJV) Jesus Christ states that he has finished the work that the Father gave him to do, I would consider that as completed. The price that Jesus Christ paid was his blood, and Jerusalem was destroyed in the year 70 AD. Iron sharpens iron.


Yours is rusty. I'm going to let you believe that, we'll see how it goes for you.
 

BarryD

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Yours is rusty. I'm going to let you believe that, we'll see how it goes for you.
I do very well, you see I put my trust in the living God, who is the saviour of all men, specially of those that believe 1 Timothy 4:10 (KJV). Either God's scriptual word, or your belief is in error, I will go with God's scriptual word. I have quoted verse after verse, and you have given nothing but, three words in Greek. I have published a book,the name of it is The Saviour of All Men, due out April 19, 2011.Yes, I have done quite a bit of studying and I am not rusty on what God's scriptual word says. When you know the truth it will set you free.
 

Charlie

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Dear Friends:

It is my opinion the messages to the seven churches, in Revelations, refer to the kinds of apostasy that has been happening in the churches saince the first centrury and has been becoming more prevatlent in these latter years..

Time to watch and pray we will escape all these thiings that shall come to pass and stand before the Son of Man, Luke 21:36.

God Bless you. Charlie

 

Duckybill

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I find it interesting that those who believe everyone will be saved keep on preaching their doctrines. You could be out partying.