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[ReChoired]

No. Neither am I a Seventh Day Adventist.

According to LDS theology, "Michael" is "Adam" the first man. - The Man Adam

Again, according to LDS theology, "The name by which Adam was known in the premortal life." - Michael

So, since the LDS teach that Adam was indeed a "god" (Adam/Eve as "gods"), and Adam is the father of mankind (Luke 3), he would in a sense be Jane Doe's "god" (in ancestry), though it is different than being the Father (Elohiym - [1] ) or JEHOVAH (Jesus - [2] ) in LDS theology. It would not be as the "Adam-God" of Brigham Young's theology.

 

[ReChoired]

Satanic cults are obsessed with using the term "symbolic" when they are challenging what God said.

So, let me get it straight from you, so that it is not "vague". You are saying that the word "Dragon" in Revelation 12:7, is not a symbolic name?, and you believe it is speaking about a natural lizard fighting in Heaven?

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

You see, verse 7 is written in parallel form, a 'chiasm'. If one is not symbolic, neither is the other, but if one is, so too the other.

 

[kcnalp]

kcnalp; I don't find any verse in the Bible that states "in order to be saved, a person must believe that not believers are sent to a literal barbeque for forever". Can you provide me such a verse?

"A Literal barbeque" is a SATANIC lie! Calling Jesus a liar is not a matter of salvation? I think you have proven that Mormon is certainly deserving of "cult" status.

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

"A Literal barbeque" is a SATANIC lie! Calling Jesus a liar is not a matter of salvation?

??

And you didn't answer my question.

If you want to blindly slander, then of course you can do so (it's not like you need anyone's permission), but by doing such you do cast that very negative impression of you and your beliefs.

 

[kcnalp]

So, let me get it straight from you, so that it is not "vague". You are saying that the word "Dragon" in Revelation 12:7, is not a symbolic name?, and you believe it is speaking about a natural lizard fighting in Heaven?

If you had really read the text you would have found the details: "Revelation 12:9 (NKJV)
9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

You see, verse 7 is written in parallel form, a 'chiasm'. If one is not symbolic, neither is the other, but if one is, so too the other.

Chiasm? Wouldn't it be honest if you just said you don't believe it?

 

[kcnalp]

And you didn't answer my question.

What question? Be specific and not just arguing.

If you want to blindly slander, then of course you can do so (it's not like you need anyone's permission), but by doing such you do cast that very negative impression of you and your beliefs.

I could say Mormons "slander" the Bible and Christians! Jesus is God and Hell fire is eternal, if the Bible is true!

 

[Jane_Doe22]

What question? Be specific and not just arguing.

Post 140:

kcnalp; I don't find any verse in the Bible that states "in order to be saved, a person must believe that not believers are sent to a literal barbeque for forever". Can you provide me such a verse?

 

[kcnalp]

Post 140:

I never said any such thing. Stop lying!

 

[ReChoired]

If you had really read the text you would have found the details: "Revelation 12:9 (NKJV)
9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Chiasm? Wouldn't it be honest if you just said you don't believe it?

So, using the Bible, in context, Revelation 12:7 and the word "Dragon" is a symbolic name and that symbol is identified in verse 9, correct, and the "Dragon" is really a symbolic name of "the Devil and Satan", yes?

Then the symbolic name of "Michael" should also be identified in the context too. Let's see:

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.​

Ah, according to your method, I see! The "Dragon" is "that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan", and he is the one which "deceiveth", and is the "accuser" and "accused". It is so clear! Now, we need to look at "Michael" the same way, being consistent with your method.

"Michael" is the "Christ" of the Father, is "the Lamb", is the "salvation" of God the Father, and is how people "overcame".

I can see what you mean by your method. It works perfectly!

 

[ReChoired]

If you had really read the text you would have found the details: "Revelation 12:9 (NKJV)
9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Chiasm? Wouldn't it be honest if you just said you don't believe it?

Let's see if it fits the whole context by that method:
The Revelation 12 Texts:

Revelation 12:1 KJB - And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Revelation 12:2 KJB - And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Revelation 12:3 KJB - And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Revelation 12:4 KJB - And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Revelation 12:5 KJB - And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Revelation 12:6 KJB - And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Revelation 12:7 KJB - And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Revelation 12:8 KJB - And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Revelation 12:9 KJB - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 12:10 KJB - And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Revelation 12:11 KJB - And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Revelation 12:12 KJB - Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Revelation 12:13 KJB - And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Revelation 12:14 KJB - And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Revelation 12:15 KJB - And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

Revelation 12:16 KJB - And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Revelation 12:17 KJB - And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Notice the chiastic structure.

[A1] Revelation 12:1-5 KJB = Woman, Child and Dragon

[B1] Revelation 12:6 KJB = Woman in Wilderness for 1,260 days [years]

[C1] Revelation 12:7-9 KJB = War between Michael and Satan in Heaven

[D1] Revelation 12:10 KJB = Cross, Power of Christ, His Victory

[D2] Revelation 12:11 KJB = Lamb, Blood of Christ, Their [overcoming saints] Victory in Him​

[C2] Revelation 12:12 KJB = Dragon permanently cast down to Earth fights against Jesus' body​

[B2] Revelation 12:13-16 KJB = Woman in Wilderness, for a time, and times, and half a time [aka, 3 1/2 times or 1,260 days [years]]​

[A2] Revelation 12:17 KJB = Woman, her Seed and Dragon​

An example of another parallelism within the greater:


Revelation 12:7 KJB - And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

[A1] Michael – Leader

[B1] his angels – Followers​

[A2] Dragon – Leader

[B2] his angels - Followers​

Looking at these two combatants, compare the surrounding context, this time starting with “the Dragon”, followed with “Michael”:

[1] “the Dragon” and his several titles in Revelation 12:

“Dragon” - Revelation 12:3,4,7,9,13,16,17 KJB

“serpent” - Revelation 12:9,14,15 KJB

“Devil” - Revelation 12:9,12 KJB

“Satan” - Revelation 12:9 KJB

“accuser of our brethren” - Revelation 12:10 KJB

“his” [angels] - Revelation 12:7,9 KJB​

Compare also:

“neither was their place found any more in heaven” - Revelation 12:8 KJB

“was cast out … cast out into the earth” - Revelation 12:9 KJB

“is cast down” - Revelation 12:10 KJB​

[2] “Michael” and his several titles in Revelation 12:

“Michael” - Revelation 12:7 KJB

“Lamb” - Revelation 12:11 KJB

“child” - Revelation 12:2,4,5 KJB

“man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron” - Revelation 12:5,13 KJB

“seed” - Revelation 12:17 KJB

“it” - Revelation 12:4 KJB

“Jesus” [even the “testimony” of] - Revelation 12:17 KJB

“Christ” - Revelation 12:10,17

“his” [angels] – Revelation 12:7 KJB​

Compare also:

“caught up unto God, and to his throne.” - Revelation 12:5 KJB

“rule all” - Revelation 12:5 KJB​

Oh, I see, yes, yes! I believe it with all my heart! It is so clear now!

 

[kcnalp]

So, using the Bible, in context, Revelation 12:7 and the word "Dragon" is a symbolic name and that symbol is identified in verse 9, correct, and the "Dragon" is really a symbolic name of "the Devil and Satan", yes?

Then the symbolic name of "Michael" should also be identified in the context too. Let's see:

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.​

Ah, according to your method, I see! The "Dragon" is "that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan", and he is the one which "deceiveth", and is the "accuser" and "accused". It is so clear! Now, we need to look at "Michael" the same way, being consistent with your method.

"Michael" is the "Christ" of the Father, is "the Lamb", is the "salvation" of God the Father, and is how people "overcame".

I can see what you mean by your method. It works perfectly!

If you insist that Michael is your god that's your problem! Satan has deceived you!

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I never said any such thing. Stop lying!

kcnalp, if you don't interpret Rev 20:10 as "in order to be saved, a person must believe that not believers are sent to a literal barbeque for forever" (which is the most common interpretation I was referring to) then you can politely just say so and clarify what your view is. No need for personal attacks.

 

[kcnalp]

Let's see if it fits the whole context by that method:
The Revelation 12 Texts:

Revelation 12:1 KJB - And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Revelation 12:2 KJB - And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Revelation 12:3 KJB - And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Revelation 12:4 KJB - And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Revelation 12:5 KJB - And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Revelation 12:6 KJB - And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Revelation 12:7 KJB - And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Revelation 12:8 KJB - And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Revelation 12:9 KJB - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 12:10 KJB - And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Revelation 12:11 KJB - And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Revelation 12:12 KJB - Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Revelation 12:13 KJB - And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Revelation 12:14 KJB - And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Revelation 12:15 KJB - And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

Revelation 12:16 KJB - And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Revelation 12:17 KJB - And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Notice the chiastic structure.

[A1] Revelation 12:1-5 KJB = Woman, Child and Dragon

[B1] Revelation 12:6 KJB = Woman in Wilderness for 1,260 days [years]

[C1] Revelation 12:7-9 KJB = War between Michael and Satan in Heaven

[D1] Revelation 12:10 KJB = Cross, Power of Christ, His Victory

[D2] Revelation 12:11 KJB = Lamb, Blood of Christ, Their [overcoming saints] Victory in Him​

[C2] Revelation 12:12 KJB = Dragon permanently cast down to Earth fights against Jesus' body​

[B2] Revelation 12:13-16 KJB = Woman in Wilderness, for a time, and times, and half a time [aka, 3 1/2 times or 1,260 days [years]]​

[A2] Revelation 12:17 KJB = Woman, her Seed and Dragon​

An example of another parallelism within the greater:


Revelation 12:7 KJB - And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

[A1] Michael – Leader

[B1] his angels – Followers​

[A2] Dragon – Leader

[B2] his angels - Followers​

Looking at these two combatants, compare the surrounding context, this time starting with “the Dragon”, followed with “Michael”:

[1] “the Dragon” and his several titles in Revelation 12:

“Dragon” - Revelation 12:3,4,7,9,13,16,17 KJB

“serpent” - Revelation 12:9,14,15 KJB

“Devil” - Revelation 12:9,12 KJB

“Satan” - Revelation 12:9 KJB

“accuser of our brethren” - Revelation 12:10 KJB

“his” [angels] - Revelation 12:7,9 KJB​

Compare also:

“neither was their place found any more in heaven” - Revelation 12:8 KJB

“was cast out … cast out into the earth” - Revelation 12:9 KJB

“is cast down” - Revelation 12:10 KJB​

[2] “Michael” and his several titles in Revelation 12:

“Michael” - Revelation 12:7 KJB

“Lamb” - Revelation 12:11 KJB

“child” - Revelation 12:2,4,5 KJB

“man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron” - Revelation 12:5,13 KJB

“seed” - Revelation 12:17 KJB

“it” - Revelation 12:4 KJB

“Jesus” [even the “testimony” of] - Revelation 12:17 KJB

“Christ” - Revelation 12:10,17

“his” [angels] – Revelation 12:7 KJB​

Compare also:

“caught up unto God, and to his throne.” - Revelation 12:5 KJB

“rule all” - Revelation 12:5 KJB​

Oh, I see, yes, yes! I believe it with all my heart! It is so clear now!

Typical smoke screen to hide your deceptions!

 

[ReChoired]

If you had really read the text you would have found the details: "Revelation 12:9 (NKJV)
9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Chiasm? Wouldn't it be honest if you just said you don't believe it?

After considering these things, let some questions be asked, and fill them in by the texts of the King James Bible themselves:

Who is the “Dragon” of Revelation 12:3,4,7,9,13,16,17 KJB?

Who is the “serpent” of Revelation 12:9,14,15 KJB?

Who is the “devil” of Revelation 12:9,12 KJB?

Who is the “Satan” of Revelation 12:9 KJB?

Who is the “accuser of the brethren” of Revelation 12:10 KJB?

Who was “cast out” of Revelation 12:9 KJB?

Who was “cast down” of Revelation 12:10 KJB?

Who is the one which “cast out of his mouth water as a flood” of Revelation 12:15,16 KJB?

Are there any “angels” which belong, “his”, to the singular person in the verses cited, KJB?

Does the fallen arch-rebel have many designations, KJB?

According to the text of Revelation 12:7 KJB, what is the arch-rebel's designation in “heaven” in this verse?

Who opposes the “Dragon”?

Who opposes the “serpent”?

Who opposes the “devil”?

Who opposes the “Satan”?

Who opposes the “accuser of the brethren”?

Whose “angels” oppose the “angels” of that "Dragon"?

Revelation 12 KJB:

Is there a “woman” and a “child” and a “Dragon” in Revelation 12:1-6 KJB?

Is there a “woman” entering into a “wilderness” for “a thousand two hundred and threescore days” [1,260 days; aka “1 time + 2 times [dual; plural of time] and half/dividing of time”; aka “42 months”] in Revelation 12:6 KJB?

Is there a “war” in “Heaven” between “Michael” [and “his angels”] and “the Dragon” [and “his angels”], wherein “the Dragon and his angels” were “cast out” and “neither was their place found any more in heaven” in Revelation 12:7-9 KJB?

Did the “power of his [the Father's] Christ” on earth gain the “victory” and “salvation” over and from the “accuser of our brethren” in Revelation 12:10 KJB?

Did “they” on earth also “overcome” “him” [the accuser] by the “blood of the lamb” and by “the word of their testimony” in Revelation 12:11 KJB?

Is there “rejoic[ing]” in the “Heavens” for them “that dwell in them”, but yet “woe” to the “inhabiters of the earth and of the sea” for the “Dragon” being cast out of “Heaven” is now “come down” unto them and was full of “wrath” and “persecuted” the Church in Revelation 12:12-13 KJB?

Is there a “woman” entering into a “wilderness” for “a time, and times, and half a time ” [1 time + 2 times [dual; plural of time] and half/dividing of time' aka 1,260 days [“a thousand two hundred and threescore days”]; aka “42 months”] in Revelation 12:14 KJB?

Is there a “woman” and the “remnant” of “her seed” [aka “child”] and a “Dragon” in Revelation 12:15-17 KJB?

Revelation 12 KJB

Whose “angels” oppose the “angels” of that Michael"?

Who opposes the one which has the True “testimony"?

Who opposes the “Christ”, even "Jesus Christ"?

Who opposes the “child", even the "man child" and "it"?

Who opposes the “lamb”?

Who opposes “Michael”?

According to the text of Revelation 12:7 KJB, what is the arch-defender's designation in “heaven” in this verse?

Does the Son of God have many designations?

Are there any “angels” which belong, “his”, to the singular person in the verses cited, KJB?

Who is the one who has a “testimony” of Revelation 12:17 KJB?

Who is the one to “who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron” of Revelation 12:5 KJB?

Who is the one “caught up” of Revelation 12:5 KJB?

Who is the “seed” of Revelation 12:17 KJB?

Who is the “child” and “man child” and “it” of Revelation 12:2,4,5,13 KJB?

Who is the “Christ” and “Jesus Christ” of Revelation 12:10,17 KJB?

Who is the “lamb” of Revelation 12:11 KJB?

Who is “Michael” of Revelation 12:7 KJB?

If the structure is truly Chiastic in its nature, then can the identification of the beings therein ever be broken [even according to John 10:35 KJB]?

If the Church is the Woman on the earth, and she the Body in Revelation 12:11-13 KJB and the Dragon fought against her, who then is the Heavenly Head in Revelation 12:7-9 KJB, who the Dragon warred against there?

Oh, these questions help so much. Praise the LORD that now with this clear understanding, that Michael is Christ, the Lamb, the salvation of God, that we might be overcomers by His shed blood.

 

[kcnalp]

kcnalp, if you don't interpret Rev 20:10 as "in order to be saved, a person must believe that not believers are sent to a literal barbeque for forever" (which is the most common interpretation I was referring to) then you can politely just say so and clarify what your view is. No need for personal attacks.

Believing in Jesus is Salvation, not believing in Hell. Stop lying!

 

[ReChoired]

Typical smoke screen to hide your deceptions!

It was said by one,"Wouldn't it be honest if you just said you don't believe it?"

 

[kcnalp]

After considering these things, let some questions be asked, and fill them in by the texts of the King James Bible themselves:

Who is the “Dragon” of Revelation 12:3,4,7,9,13,16,17 KJB?

Who is the “serpent” of Revelation 12:9,14,15 KJB?

Who is the “devil” of Revelation 12:9,12 KJB?

Who is the “Satan” of Revelation 12:9 KJB?

Who is the “accuser of the brethren” of Revelation 12:10 KJB?

Who was “cast out” of Revelation 12:9 KJB?

Who was “cast down” of Revelation 12:10 KJB?

Who is the one which “cast out of his mouth water as a flood” of Revelation 12:15,16 KJB?

Are there any “angels” which belong, “his”, to the singular person in the verses cited, KJB?

Does the fallen arch-rebel have many designations, KJB?

According to the text of Revelation 12:7 KJB, what is the arch-rebel's designation in “heaven” in this verse?

Who opposes the “Dragon”?

Who opposes the “serpent”?

Who opposes the “devil”?

Who opposes the “Satan”?

Who opposes the “accuser of the brethren”?

Whose “angels” oppose the “angels” of that "Dragon"?

Revelation 12 KJB:

Is there a “woman” and a “child” and a “Dragon” in Revelation 12:1-6 KJB?

Is there a “woman” entering into a “wilderness” for “a thousand two hundred and threescore days” [1,260 days; aka “1 time + 2 times [dual; plural of time] and half/dividing of time”; aka “42 months”] in Revelation 12:6 KJB?

Is there a “war” in “Heaven” between “Michael” [and “his angels”] and “the Dragon” [and “his angels”], wherein “the Dragon and his angels” were “cast out” and “neither was their place found any more in heaven” in Revelation 12:7-9 KJB?

Did the “power of his [the Father's] Christ” on earth gain the “victory” and “salvation” over and from the “accuser of our brethren” in Revelation 12:10 KJB?

Did “they” on earth also “overcome” “him” [the accuser] by the “blood of the lamb” and by “the word of their testimony” in Revelation 12:11 KJB?

Is there “rejoic[ing]” in the “Heavens” for them “that dwell in them”, but yet “woe” to the “inhabiters of the earth and of the sea” for the “Dragon” being cast out of “Heaven” is now “come down” unto them and was full of “wrath” and “persecuted” the Church in Revelation 12:12-13 KJB?

Is there a “woman” entering into a “wilderness” for “a time, and times, and half a time ” [1 time + 2 times [dual; plural of time] and half/dividing of time' aka 1,260 days [“a thousand two hundred and threescore days”]; aka “42 months”] in Revelation 12:14 KJB?

Is there a “woman” and the “remnant” of “her seed” [aka “child”] and a “Dragon” in Revelation 12:15-17 KJB?

Revelation 12 KJB

Whose “angels” oppose the “angels” of that Michael"?

Who opposes the one which has the True “testimony"?

Who opposes the “Christ”, even "Jesus Christ"?

Who opposes the “child", even the "man child" and "it"?

Who opposes the “lamb”?

Who opposes “Michael”?

According to the text of Revelation 12:7 KJB, what is the arch-defender's designation in “heaven” in this verse?

Does the Son of God have many designations?

Are there any “angels” which belong, “his”, to the singular person in the verses cited, KJB?

Who is the one who has a “testimony” of Revelation 12:17 KJB?

Who is the one to “who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron” of Revelation 12:5 KJB?

Who is the one “caught up” of Revelation 12:5 KJB?

Who is the “seed” of Revelation 12:17 KJB?

Who is the “child” and “man child” and “it” of Revelation 12:2,4,5,13 KJB?

Who is the “Christ” and “Jesus Christ” of Revelation 12:10,17 KJB?

Who is the “lamb” of Revelation 12:11 KJB?

Who is “Michael” of Revelation 12:7 KJB?

If the structure is truly Chiastic in its nature, then can the identification of the beings therein ever be broken [even according to John 10:35 KJB]?

If the Church is the Woman on the earth, and she the Body in Revelation 12:11-13 KJB and the Dragon fought against her, who then is the Heavenly Head in Revelation 12:7-9 KJB, who the Dragon warred against there?

Oh, these questions help so much. Praise the LORD that now with this clear understanding, that Michael is Christ, the Lamb, the salvation of God, that we might be overcomers by His shed blood.

SDA smokescreen! Michael is not God!

 

[ReChoired]

If you insist that Michael is your god that's your problem! Satan has deceived you!

Michael is not my "god". He's my Lord and my God (the eternal uncreated Son and highest messenger of the Father and His love).

 

[kcnalp]

It was said by one,"Wouldn't it be honest if you just said you don't believe it?"

How many time must I say "I don't believe that Michael is God"? lol

 

[kcnalp]

Michael is not my "god". He's my Lord and my God (the eternal uncreated Son and highest messenger of the Father and His love).

Do you read your own posts?