new version of OSAS?

[Grailhunter]

The law man. The law required perfection. Whoever does not confirm and obey every word is cursed. As paul said in Gal 3 no one is justified by the law because cursed is the one who does not obey all. As James said, if you keep the whole law yet stumble in one point your guilty

Correct but we are not under the Law, nor are we to look to it for justification. The ministry of death engraved on stones was but a tutor, but now we have no need for a tutor.....

I am not talking about perverted judaism, I am talking about what God demanded when he gave them the law,

The Mosaic Law is an inferior example of morals compared to the teachings of Christ and the Apostles...How many wives do you want?
When Christians go to war should they kill all that breaths and not forget the babies....Should they take the virgins for themselves and kill all the non virgins....all that is Mosaic Law. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: You do know that you violate that being on a computer....of course any picture or TV program....pictures of your family. LOL We are not Jews....Judaism in not our religion. The Old Covenant is not our Covenant...the Mosaic Laws do not pertain to us. One of Paul's primary struggles were with the Judaizers and their attempt to incorporate Judaism-Mosaic Laws into Christianity, which was the topic of the first Christian council in Jerusalem.

 

[Corlove13]

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I wonder if that is the same as grow in grace and in the knowledge of Jesus Christ His son?

 

[Corlove13]

I wonder if that is the same as grow in grace and in the knowledge of Jesus Christ His son?

If perfect means mature...
We are to grow up in Love...
It is love that fullfills the Law

 

[Corlove13]

If perfect means mature...
We are to grow up in Love...
It is love that fullfills the Law

5046
1) brought to its end, finished
2) wanting nothing necessary to completeness
3) perfect
4) that which is perfect
4a) consummate human integrity and virtue
4b) of men
4b1) full grown, adult, of full age, mature

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I cannot succeed where others have tried and failed. Please remember it takes two, and while God is unfailing, we are not. I gave the example of Adam and Eve who were thrust out from the heavenly presence of a righteous God, for their disobedience. Where had God's grace gone? Was their place with God secure? Who was it who broke away?

I have things to do.
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There is a price to be paid for Disobedience and Adam and Eve paid mightily .....God showed His Grace by not dropping them dead on the spot for their Sins , and by providing them with a Rescue Plan so that they would not be damned when they died.....Adam tried to “ cover “ his sin with a Leaf—- God covered it with a Blood Sacrifice that pointed to Christ.....THAT “Covering” made them “ secure”

Just because God is generous with His Grace, that does not mean we can sin and “ get away with it”.....God chastises us like any loving parent would do to their children....Chastisement keeps us in line....Grace insures us that if we have Faith, we don’t go to Hell for the sins we were punished for here on Earth while we were still alive....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I have things to do.


I hope you have fun doing them—Need help?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Correct but we are not under the Law, nor are we to look to it for justification. The ministry of death engraved on stones was but a tutor, but now we have no need for a tutor.....

I never said we were under law. I used it as the guidline for what true righteousness is.

The Mosaic Law is an inferior example of morals compared to the teachings of Christ and the Apostles...How many wives do you want?
When Christians go to war should they kill all that breaths and not forget the babies....Should they take the virgins for themselves and kill all the non virgins....all that is Mosaic Law. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: You do know that you violate that being on a computer....of course any picture or TV program....pictures of your family. LOL We are not Jews....Judaism in not our religion. The Old Covenant is not our Covenant...the Mosaic Laws do not pertain to us. One of Paul's primary struggles were with the Judaizers and their attempt to incorporate Judaism-Mosaic Laws into Christianity, which was the topic of the first Christian council in Jerusalem.

why are you going off on this tangent?

I used the law as a guidline. Your correct in that Gods guideline is greater. as he showed on the sermon on the mount. The issue is we can not even keep the letter of the law. So how can anyone say we are righteous when we use the spirit of the law as a guide?

You can't.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Blah! Blah! Blah! Translation of all that...Blood Bought cherry picks the scriptures.

Blah! Blah! Blah!



Lol.........
These are the greatest words of wisdom you have posted yet!

Keep up the good work!

“ Hope springs Eternal!”.......


You claim I “ cherry pick” .....lol.....there’s the pot calling the kettle black.....lol....thanks for that laugh!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Wonderful concept and it occurs at the point of being saved....of course it would fit into your beliefs about sin and sin some more because than Christ would not remember anything you did....again back to homosexual child molesting cannibals being in heaven. When you put what you believe in motion it is more like a sci-fi horror flick. A scary story you would tell around a campfire. Be afraid, be very afraid, because when you die, you will go to where all evil goes and there will be rappers and murders waiting for you and you spend eternity with the horror of evils. No...heaven is not filled with evil, that is what hell is for.



No my beliefs come from the Bible and your does too....it just that you have selected parts you like. A cherry picker extraordinaire!

Christians that want to go to heaven should be good because we will be judged on our deeds. And that is what the Bible says about how it ends up on Judgment Day.
Christians that want to go to heaven should be good because bad does not go to heaven.

If “ WE” are going to be judged for our deeds, what “ Judgement” did Christ take on at the Cross....I always though that that was the place where HE ( the Lamb Of God) “ Took Away” the Sins Of the World....

We should strive to “ be good” because if we are, God will bless us for it.....if we refuse to be obedient , God will punish us for it.....that plays out here in Earth

Eternally speaking, good and bad deeds will help determine Heavenly Crowns—- our Rewards That last forever....be good and get some....be bad and get nothing....Salvation is not in question....Salvation was determined by what you did with Paul’s Gospel ....did you REST in it, or did you ADD to it....

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Jesus is my constant friend and companion.

"Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you." (John 15:14)

Any verse that one trots out that “seems” to deny the veracity of OSAS is Guilty Of at least “ One” Of two things....they are ALL either being taken out if context or they do not apply to the “Body Of Christ”....... there are NO exceptions to this....

How convenient.

Solomon Lost His Faith....
He even built Temples for Heathen God’s so that he and others could “ worship” these False Gods....which included killing babies with rocks....yet , the True God, in His Mercy, told David that he would not Damn Solomon, But that He would Chastise the hell out of him....

This does not mean God will do this with everyone.

"I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion." (Romans 9:15)

God knows our hearts. And if you willfully sin with a plan to abuse God’s mercy…

"…if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things." (1 John 3:20)

And:

"…God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." (Galatians 6:7)

YOU ARE HOLY AND BLAMELESS IN MY SIGHT

"…to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel" (Colossians 1:22-23)

 

[BloodBought 1953]

How convenient.

And how True!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

"Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you." (John 15:14)

Jesus left us with Two Commands— #1Believe ...... #2Love

Here is a suggestion—- not a commandment : Read your Bible.” Show yourself to be a good student of the Word, so you won’t have to be ashamed.”







"I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion." (Romans 9:15)

God knows our hearts. And if you willfully sin with a plan to abuse God’s mercy…

"…if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things." (1 John 3:20)

And:

"…God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." (Galatians 6:7)



"…to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel" (Colossians 1:22-23)

You quote verses that show that you are in error and you don’t even see it...you are your own worst enemy....no need to debate you....Just “ give some people enough rope.....”

 

[Grailhunter]

I never said we were under law. I used it as the guidline for what true righteousness is.

Well then you wrong either way.

I used the law as a guidline. Your correct in that Gods guideline is greater. as he showed on the sermon on the mount. The issue is we can not even keep the letter of the law. So how can anyone say we are righteous when we use the spirit of the law as a guide?

Man you just keep digging yourself a hole. You need a shove for that digging.
The Law was inferior to Christ teachings and the Spirit of the Law is even worse.

 

[Grailhunter]

If “ WE” are going to be judged for our deeds, what “ Judgement” did Christ take on at the Cross...

Christ set the conditions so that Man could have a relationship with God. That is why the veil ripped into...no more division between us and God
Paying the price of sin. Substitution, Redemption, Justification, and Propitiation...kind of deep topic.
But His death on the cross did not give us a license to sin.
Believing in Him does not give us a license of sin.
Christ did not die for man to have sinful relationship with God.
For God to have believers that are evildoers....for us show the world that the followers of Christ are sinful evildoers.
I feel like it is crazy that I have to explain this.

 

[Grailhunter]

Unless we lose our faith.
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I understand the concept of losing our salvation but in reality salvation is not something we can lose.
Salvation has a no return policy.
We can fall away....and the consequences of that are hell.
But you would be in hell as a Christian.
When we are saved we are accepted into the family of God.....
From there we work out our salvation with fear and trembling.
In the end our deeds for good or bad are judged and we go to heaven as Christians or we go hell as Christians.
In the end salvation is not on trial nor is it a determination if a person was saved or not.
As a child of God we know the right way....if we go the wrong way it is our fault and we will pay for it.
The Bible tells us how many ways we can fail to inherit the Kingdom of God.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
God’s words do matter to me and that a lot than what you think. One truth the Bible says is that Jesus, him who was born of the virgin Mary, is the Christ, the Lord, the SAVIOR. And that sure matters to me. The apostles believed and are witness to that. And I believed that as well.

No they were not around when

They were witnesses to the truth about the person of Jesus, that He is Christ, the Lord, the Son of God.

Tong2020 said: ↑
Another is that the Bible says of them, that were created by God in Christ Jesus, who are saved by grace. And that they will go to heaven, and not to hell.

That would be an interesting verse to find....

Had you found that already?

Tong2020 said: ↑
Now, you say that there will be some of those who are created by God in Christ to be going to hell.

The phrase created in Christ is a metaphor....I like it but it sorta proves one my points....
Ephesians 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them. Christianity is a religion of good works. Love God, love one another and the Golden Rule.

Would you say you are God’s workmanship? If so, how so?

Would you say you were created by God in Christ Jesus? You say that is a metaphor. Explain to us the metaphor please.

Finally, I was not talking about Christianity, but is arguing against your claim that some of those whom God created in Christ Jesus will go to hell.

Tong2020 said: ↑
Now, you say that there will be some of those who are created by God in Christ to be going to hell. But the bible does not say that, not one of those passages you quoted.

Who do you think these verses are directed to? The Romans. Do you think the New Testament is only warning non-Christians about sin and the punishment and thereof, but for Christians sin and evil is ok? If you have issues with reading comprehension that is not my department.

It remains, none of those passages you quoted says that some of those whom God created in Christ Jesus will go to hell.

Tong2020 said: ↑
And since what God’s words in the Bible is what matters to me, I believe what the bible says and not what you say, at least regarding that.

I don't blame you on that one! LOL But if you take a course in reading comprehension and read the scriptures pertaining to Judgment Day you will find that they say, we all will be judged on our deeds....

Ad hominem as they say.

No worries at all. Jesus Christ is my advocate. My Savior Jesus Christ had that covered.

Tong
R3598

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Well then you wrong either way.



Man you just keep digging yourself a hole. You need a shove for that digging.
The Law was inferior to Christ teachings and the Spirit of the Law is even worse.

whatever, it is obvious you have forgotten what we are talking about

you think you can be righteous, yet not even meet the guidelines of the commands of the law, you have no idea what righteousness is.

 

[Grailhunter]

They were witnesses to the truth about the person of Jesus, that He is Christ, the Lord, the Son of God.

Yes they were.

Had you found that already?

Ya ... For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Yes I have already explained this verse
It is a metaphor but abiding in Christ we are to do good works.

Finally, I was not talking about Christianity, but is arguing against your claim that some of those whom God created in Christ Jesus will go to hell.

Again I have already given scriptures for this....So I will ask you to post all the scriptures that say all will be judged by their deeds.

It remains, none of those passages you quoted says that some of those whom God created in Christ Jesus will go to hell.

Again reading comprehension please.

No worries at all. Jesus Christ is my advocate. My Savior Jesus Christ had that covered.

Again Christ does not condone sin.

 

[Grailhunter]

Back in about a hour

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Unless we lose our faith.
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If we lose our faith we stop believing

if we stop believing we are an unbeliever,

John calls these people antichrists

he also said those who claimed to believe and lost it were never of us, if they were of us they never would have left,

you don’t just lose faith. Unless you never truly had faith to begin with