Saved By Grace Through FAITH ...

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
<<<Is this an absolute requirement?
Or is Our Savior condemning pride and spiritual pride of the Pharisees?>>>

Go read and see for yourself.

1Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.3Therefore whatever they tell you [a]to observe, thatobserve and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. 4For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.5But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments. 6They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues,7greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’ 8But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. 9Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. 11But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.

In verse 8, who do you say are the “you”?

Tell us, what do you think is the reason why Jesus told them what He said in v. 8-10? Does that not tell you that such was a wrong thing to do?

Besides, did any of the apostles called Jesus “Father”? Were the apostles have the church call them “Father”?

peter!

isa 22:21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

Nope. Just another misuse of scriptures.

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[Tong2020]

don’t know any baptism of the HS

Is that so? No wonder then.

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[Tong2020]

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Yes, that speaks of the blessed virgin Mary, as being the mother of Jesus according to the flesh.

Is Mary the mother of God or the mother of the man Jesus according to the flesh? Is James not a brother of the Lord? Why not have James be called the brother of God?

Does the mother God need a Savior?

Again a misuse of scriptures in Luke 1:43.

yes she has a savior her son Lk 1:47

perpetual Virgin

Isa 7:14 a son singular
Matt 1:21-23 one son on child
Nowhere does the Bible say anyone is a biological child of Mary except Jesus

So the mother of God has a savior. Why? Obviously she have sin. So the mother of God have to be saved by God, else God’s mother will end up in hell.

Now, the mother of God have a beginning, but not God. God existed before His mother. The mother of God had a husband. She also have a father and a mother, both of which have sinned as well, and so are sinners. The mother of God worships her Son.

Did the apostles teach to pray to any one else but God? Did not the apostles teach that there is one mediator between God and man? Not blessed Mary, but Jesus Christ.

Why pray to blessed Mary? Why pray to men who are not mediators even? Was these ever taught by the apostles? None that scriptures have and taught either.

Well……

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[Tong2020]

Faith without works is dead faith .

In context please.

Here’s a statement in scriptures that would help the reader get the point of that ~ For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

A child of God who have a body without the spirit, is dead. That does not make him no longer a child of God. The point being, he is at that state unprofitable.

What does it profit if someone have a body but does not have works? What does it profit, if someone says he has faith but does not have works?

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[Tong2020]

Did you see it? Each person heard THEM speak in his own tongue. In other words, they heard supernaturally, the only way anyone can understand speaking in tongues. You must first read the rule. 1 Corinthians14:2, and understand it, and then you can read Acts 2 with clarity. Otherwise, you will try to change the meaning of the rule and twist it to your own human understanding. Both the speaking and the hearing were supernatural.

Have you have anyone with the gift of interpreting what you say in tongues or do you interpret also?

Is not the gift of interpreting tongues only for believers who have the Holy Spirit or an unbeliever could have that?

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[Tong2020]

That’s the assumption- however Abraham didn’t really believe Gods promise that he and Sarah were going to have a son, else he wouldn’t have had sex with the maid, Hagar, to have that son.
According to scripture Abraham wasn’t justified, or made righteous, until he was willing to sacrifice Isaac, and that coupling of faith with a work of obedience was what did it.

Nope. That was not an assumption. It is truth. Abraham had faith even from the time God gave him promise in Gen. 12:1-3.

But the main point is not the when God accounted righteousness to Abraham, but that, it is faith that is accounted by God for righteousness.

Let us learn and keep in mind, it is faith and not works, that God accounts for righteousness, not works. That while works shows our faith, it is however not that which is accounted for righteousness. Faith is.

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[Taken]

you can’t enter a covenant by faith alone
Must be a ritual an outward sign of inward grace

Pretty confidant God revealed the WAY.

 

[Taken]

don’t know any baptism of the HS

Matt 3:
[11] I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

The Christian ritual of baptism is in the name of the father and the son and the

Water Baptism was instituted by John, of the Tribe of Levi....for Repentence.

Matt 3: [11] I (John the Baptist, A LEVITE) indeed baptize you with water unto repentance:

 

[theefaith]

Yes. And he did not teach them that they were saved by grace through faith and some 7 sacraments.

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Sacramental life: Jn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. Jn 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Baptism: (initiation into the covenant)
Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

The Eucharist: (holy communion)
Mt 26:26-39 Jn 6:51-58 1 Cor 11:23-25

Confession of sins:
Jn 20:23 / 1 Jn 1:9 / 2 cor 5:18

Confirmation
Mt 17:27 Lk 22:32 acts 8:14-17
acts 14:22

Marriage:
Matt 19:4-6

Holy orders: (priesthood)
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru His priesthood in Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 10:1-8 Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 acts 1:17 acts 6:4 acts 8:26
2 Cor 5:18 1 Tim 4:14 Eph 2:20

Extreme unction: (anointing with oil)
1 Tim 4:14 James 5:14

The one, holy, catholic, (universal) and apostolic church founded by Jesus Christ on Peter and the apostles!

 

[theefaith]

Too many misused scriptures.

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But never faith alone?

1 cor 13:2 all faith and no charity avails nothing
Greatest is not faith but charity vs 13

rom 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

cannot be faith alone

 

[theefaith]

Empty.

Can’t accept that they could be wrong even while you acknowledge they aren’t inspired like the apostles? Well, that’s really hard if you look at them when you are supposed to be looking at Jesus Christ instead, and should be all of the time.

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Jn 8:32 jn 16:13
God established the church perfect Matt 16:18 divine revelation cannot be error or God would be the author of error

 

[theefaith]

Acts 2:44-47. Why did you not cite that together with Acts 2:42?

Besides, and going back to the issue, those you refer to in Acts as the church were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. And as you seem to suggest, that should be a disobedience to Mt.28:19.

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believed

 

[theefaith]

So, your church take Matthias as the successor of Judas Iscariot, the traitor, the son of perdition. So more then, as you pointed out, you also have a successor of every apostle after their death.

But after that, was there any other event /s of the same nature and purpose? Who was the first successor of Peter, of Andrew, of James, of John, of Philip, of Bartholomew, of Thomas, of Matthew, of James the son of Alphaeus, and of Lebbaeus, of Judas the son of James?

I wonder if you have a successor of Paul, the apostle to the gentiles. Do you? If so, who was the first successor to Paul?

Can you tell us who are your present twelve apostles, successors each respectively of the original twelve apostles, and the present successor of Paul, if any?

And just to be clear and so we can leave this point, that you and then with the rest of your church, Jesus Christ is not your personal Lord and Savior.

Also, that you have not given a dictionary reference which have promise = sacrament. So please do.

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the office of apostle of judus is still a valid office as scripture says his bishoprick let another man take vs 17 and 20

Timothy is Paul’s successor
His spiritual son 1 Tim 1:2

peter is Linus

dictionary
(in the Christian Church) a religious ceremony or ritual regarded as imparting divine grace, such as baptism, the Eucharist and (in the Roman Catholic and many Orthodox Churches) penance and the anointing of the sick.

 

[theefaith]

So you are saying that only applies to the baptized, this excluding those not baptized.

But have you not read that God will have mercy to whom He wills to have mercy? That would include all people, not only the baptized, don’t you accept?

Paul was not merciful when God converted him and gave him mercy. He was in fact the opposite, unmerciful.

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You tell me why it’s there?

 

[theefaith]

Is that so? No wonder then.

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What verse says so?

 

[theefaith]

So the mother of God has a savior. Why? Obviously she have sin. So the mother of God have to be saved by God, else God’s mother will end up in hell.

no she was preserved from original sin and all sin by a miracle of God in virtue of the merits Her divine son.

Jesus cannot have a sinner for a mother cos he is our salvation Lk 2:30 a good tree cannot bear bad fruit and a bad tree a sinner cannot bear hood fruit or our salvation

Now, the mother of God have a beginning, but not God. God existed before His mother. The mother of God had a husband. She also have a father and a mother, both of which have sinned as well, and so are sinners. The mother of God worships her Son.
Not mother or source of the divine nature
But mother Jesus Christ who is God hence mother of God

Did the apostles teach to pray to any one else but God? Did not the apostles teach that there is one mediator between God and man? Not blessed Mary, but Jesus Christ.

Why pray to blessed Mary? Why pray to men who are not mediators even? Was these ever taught by the apostles? None that scriptures have and taught either.

Well……

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Good enough for Angels!
Good enough for the Bible!
Good enough for me!

Hail Mary! Full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women,
Lk 1:28 blessed is the fruit of thy womb, (Jesus) Lk 1:42 Holy Mary, mother of God, Lk 1:43 pray for us sinners, now,
rev 5:8 and at the hour of our death, Matt 24:13 amen!


Blessing from God thru Mary!

All graces come to us they Mary, from God by the merits (blood) of Christ!
Jn 1:16
Of His fullness we have all received, grace for grace!


Elizabeth filled with the Holy Spirit!

Lk 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

John sanctified in the womb!

Lk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

Lk 1:44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

Zacharias is filled with the Holy Spirit and prophecy!

Lk 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

The wedding couple have wine and not shame!

Jn 2: 10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.

The disciples are supplied with faith, hope, and charity!

11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.

All these blessings from God because of Mary most holy!

Mother of Divine Grace!

Hebrews 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

The throne of Grace is the throne of Mary the ever Virgin mother of God!

We come boldly to this throne cause Mary is our mother and advocate!

Mary is the storehouse of divine graces!

Lk 1:28
And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail Mary, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
Yes. And he did not teach them that they were saved by grace through faith and some 7 sacraments

Sacramental life: Jn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. Jn 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Baptism: (initiation into the covenant)
Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

The Eucharist: (holy communion)
Mt 26:26-39 Jn 6:51-58 1 Cor 11:23-25

Confession of sins:
Jn 20:23 / 1 Jn 1:9 / 2 cor 5:18

Confirmation
Mt 17:27 Lk 22:32 acts 8:14-17
acts 14:22

Marriage:
Matt 19:4-6

Holy orders: (priesthood)
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru His priesthood in Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 10:1-8 Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 acts 1:17 acts 6:4 acts 8:26
2 Cor 5:18 1 Tim 4:14 Eph 2:20

Extreme unction: (anointing with oil)
1 Tim 4:14 James 5:14

The one, holy, catholic, (universal) and apostolic church founded by Jesus Christ on Peter and the apostles!

Perhaps you want to describe what life you have with your church. But the issue is not that, but that salvation is by grace through faith and not by grace through faith plus the 7 sacraments that your church have.

You see, there are unbelievers to whom your church preach, right? What do you preach to them? Perhaps you’ll say the gospel. Can you tell us that gospel?

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[theefaith]

Pretty confidant God revealed the WAY.

In Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38
Faith and baptism
1 cor 13:2 faith alone avails nothing
Phil 1:29 not called to faith alone

 

[theefaith]

Matt 3:
[11] I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:



Water Baptism was instituted by John, of the Tribe of Levi....for Repentence.

Matt 3: [11] I (John the Baptist, A LEVITE) indeed baptize you with water unto repentance:

there is a difference between Johns baptism and Christian baptism

 

[Tong2020]

But never faith alone?

1 cor 13:2 all faith and no charity avails nothing
Greatest is not faith but charity vs 13

rom 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

cannot be faith alone

If it is not faith alone for you and your church, then it will be with you and your church then. It would then be faith and works and the 7 sacraments then for you and your church.

I see that as a salvation not by grace. Perhaps you will say it is salvation by grace, but with works and the 7 sacraments. And that could not be. If you know what grace is, you will easily see that your church’s salvation could not be what you say it is.

Further, do you not know what scriptures says why salvation is by grace and not by another? Why salvation is of faith and not of anything else? I guess not for you say it is not faith alone. If not, then you ought to read scriptures.

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