I agree, all that I ask is that you define the English word "God" with a capitol "G" as opposed to god?
And how would you define Almighty God? Is that different than just plain "God"?
Who is speaking in Rev 1:8, God The Father or Jesus?
What's in a Word
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I agree, all that I ask is that you define the English word "God" with a capitol "G" as opposed to god?
And how would you define Almighty God? Is that different than just plain "God"?
Who is speaking in Rev 1:8, God The Father or Jesus?
You agree? I am saying that Jesus is God. You are denying that He is God.
It's Jesus.
Revelation 1:17-18 (NKJV)
[sup]17 [/sup]And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, "Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. [sup]18 [/sup]I AM HE WHO LIVES AND WAS DEAD, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
No I'm not.
If you could just answer my questions we could clear this up:
1. D[font="tahoma]efine the English word "God" with a capitol "G" as opposed to god?[/font][/color][color="#5D5D5D"][font="tahoma]
2. How would you define Almighty God? Is that different than just plain "God"?[/font][/color]
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It's Jesus.[/quote]
[font="tahoma][b][url="http://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/Revelation%201.8"]Revelation 1:8[/url] [/b][/font]Not according to the context.
You are not denying that Jesus is THE ONE TRUE GOD, THE CREATOR OF ALL?
That's a perfect description of The Father, (YHWH Elohiym)
So, in your understanding, there is absolutely no difference between The Father and Jesus?
Ok, so you are denying that Jesus is God. Please tell us how you are more qualified in the Bible languages than the translators of our English Bibles. How are you qualified to re-write our English Bibles?
John 14:9 (NKJV)
[sup]9 [/sup]Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? HE WHO HAS SEEN ME HAS SEEN THE FATHER; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
You might just try answering my previous questions for clarification.
You see, without an explanation of what your terms mean, your idea sounds like Sabellianism, or Unitarianism, both of which are anti-trinitarian.
Perhaps that is what you believe.
I was willing to explain my terms and my understanding, which states that Jesus' Divinity is the same as the Father.
What were their qualifications?
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John 1:14 "The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us."
The Word became flesh, (as God The Father's only begotten Son) and made His dwelling among us.
Right!
Jesus is the Almighty God. Is that clear enough?
I believe that Jesus is the God in Genesis 1:26. The Creator.
Colossians 1:16 (NKJV)
[sup]16 [/sup]FOR BY HIM ALL THINGS WERE CREATED that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
Then Jesus is God. I think you are greatly confused.
What are yours?
[/size][font="tahoma][size="2"]Duckybill, on 16 February 2011 - 05:39 PM, said:
Please tell us how you are more qualified in the Bible languages than the translators of our English Bibles. How are you qualified to re-write our English Bibles?
What were their qualifications? [/font]
What are yours?
Not more qualified just years of discipline and hard work.
Discipline and hard work at re-writing the Bible?
Acts 7:59 (NKJV)
[sup]59 [/sup]And they stoned Stephen as he was CALLING ON GOD AND SAYING, "LORD JESUS, receive my spirit."
No more so than hundreds of others who have translated the Scriptures. There are hundreds of Translations of the New Testament.
Speaking of re-writing the Bible:
Acts 7:59: Kaí elithobóloun tón Stéfanon epikaloúmenon kaí légonta Kúrie Ieesoú déxai tó pneúmá mou.
There is NO word God in the original Greek, Not even in the Textus Receptus of the KJV.
And the most highly respected say that Jesus is God.
God calling His Son God:
Hebrews 1:8 (NKJV)
[sup]8 [/sup]But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
So there is no God?
Yes they do.
From A.T.Robertson:
"But of the Son (he saith,) Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."
O God ho (NT:3588) Theos (NT:2316). This quotation is from Ps 45:7 f. A Hebrew nuptial ode (epithalamium) for a king treated here as Messianic. It is not certain whether ho (NT:3588) Theos (NT:2316) is here the vocative (address with the nominative form as in John 20:28 with the Messiah termed Theos (NT:2316) as is possible, John 1:18) or ho (NT:3588) Theos (NT:2316) is nominative (subject or predicate) with estin (NT:2076) (is) understood: "God is thy throne" or "Thy throne is God." Either makes good sense.
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One of the clearest summaries of the relationship between God and Jesus is found in 1 Tim. 2:5: "There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus". There being only one God, it is impossible that Jesus could be The God; if the Father is God and Jesus is also God, then there are two Gods. "But to us there is but one God, the Father" (1 Cor. 8:6). 'God the Father' is therefore the only God. It is therefore impossible that there can be a separate being called 'God the Son'. The Old Testament likewise portrays Yahweh as the one and only God, as the one and only Father (e.g. Isa. 63:16; 64:8).
Many have had difficulty grasping the explanation of the nature of God. Part of the reason why the doctrine of God’s nature can be difficult to understand is due to the English terminology used to explain it.
Looking at what the Apostle John has said beginning in John 1:1.
English - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Greek - "En archeé eén ho Lógos kaí ho Lógos eén prós tón Theón kaí theós eén ho Lógos"
If John was speaking Greek to his hearers, they would have had to understand the terms being used.
1- archeé
2- ho Lógos
3- tón Theón
4- the expression, "theós eén ho Lógos"
Many have had difficulty grasping the explanation of the nature of God. Part of the reason why the doctrine of God’s nature can be difficult to understand is due to the English terminology used to explain it.
Looking at what the Apostle John has said beginning in John 1:1.
English - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Greek - "En archeé eén ho Lógos kaí ho Lógos eén prós tón Theón kaí theós eén ho Lógos"
If John was speaking Greek to his hearers, they would have had to understand the terms being used.
1- archeé
2- ho Lógos
3- tón Theón
4- the expression, "theós eén ho Lógos"
Too bad you can't understand the simplicity of John 1. THE WORD WAS GOD and became flesh.
John 1:1 (NKJV)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD..
John 1:1 (ASV)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (AMP)
[sup]1 [/sup]IN THE beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD HIMSELF.
John 1:1 (BBE)
[sup]1 [/sup]From the first he was the Word, and THE WORD was in relation with God and WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (MontgomeryNT)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was face to face with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (Darby)
[sup]1 [/sup]In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (ESV)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (GW)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (KJV)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (NASB77)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (NASB)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (NIV)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (NLT)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (NRSV)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (WesleyNT)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning existed the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (WEY)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (YLT)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD;
John 1:1 (NKJV)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD..
John 1:1 (ASV)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (AMP)
[sup]1 [/sup]IN THE beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD HIMSELF.
John 1:1 (BBE)
[sup]1 [/sup]From the first he was the Word, and THE WORD was in relation with God and WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (MontgomeryNT)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was face to face with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (Darby)
[sup]1 [/sup]In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (ESV)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (GW)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (KJV)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (NASB77)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (NASB)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (NIV)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (NLT)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (NRSV)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (WesleyNT)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning existed the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (WEY)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:1 (YLT)
[sup]1 [/sup]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD;
I don't know how much clearer I can be.
Because you have chosen not to answer any of my questions, ("Debate" being the fair exchange of questions and ideas), there is no longer any reason to continue our exchange.
This is really too bad because good fruit can come from the fair exchange of Ideas.
The question is' Is Jesus God'? The clear answer is YES. The Word was God and became flesh. He was and is still God. You don't know what 'God' means? You'd better find out.
Most certainly.
Jesus himself said, John 7:17 "If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself."
Therefore "The Word Was God (or, God's Word)."
There is nothing difficult to understand in that.
John 8:26 "I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of (or, from) him." (Compare the ASV and other versions)
John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he (John 4:25,26), and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
John 8:38 "I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father."
John 12:49 "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak."
John 12:50 "And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak."
John 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
That overwhelmingly sounds to me that all Jesus spoke was indeed "The Word of God."
Jeus was indeed to us "The Word of God."
Don't ruin it by trying to make it about fleshly physical appearances. As far as the fleshly physical is concerned Jeus was the Son of Man. But as far as the spiritual is concerned Jesus was 100% the Son of God. And as far as Jesus being the perfect relection of his Father's righteousness and God's Word to shed life-giving light into us, Jesus was "The Word of God."
John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
John 1:1a; In the beginning was the Word
John 1:1b; and the Word was with God
John 1:1c; and the Word was God.
The subject "Word", (John 1:1c), is "Logos" in Greek and it means, (with the article "ho"), "The" "Divine Expression" of the Father.
The English word translated as "God", (John 1:1c), in Greek is "Theos", (without the definite article ), and means, "Deity"; having all the attributes of Divinity;
The word, translated as "God" in John 1:1b, in Greek is tón Theón, (with the definite article (tón), and means "The Father", (in Hebrew YHWH Elohiym").
Our English word "God", is a Noun and means; The Supreme Being; Jehovah; the eternal and infinite Spirit, the Creator, and the Sovereign of the universe.
The supernatural being conceived as the perfect and omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent originator and ruler of the universe.
If you wish to understand what is being said you must first understand the meaning and intent of the terms.
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