Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?

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robert derrick

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Not my law, nor my Sabbath. Your argument is with God.
If the law is of God, true. If not, it is of men.

We ought obey God and not men.

And so, I ask again. Why do you demand I treat you as sister or brother, when your law declares me transgressor with eternal damnation?

Am I your brother or sister, by purposed transgression and rejection of the law of the Sabbath? Why do you not answer?
 

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"Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?"

1. 'In the law' is read the commandment of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is therefore by law.
2. The law of circumcision was greater than the law of the Sabbath.
 

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no, thats now what Paul said

Paul said if I attempt to be justified by Christ and am found to be a sinner. Is Christ a minister of sin.

Again. What was pauls answer?
GOD forbid , for if i build again the things i destroyed , I MAKE MYSELF a transgressor . That was pauls answer .
 

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Only if you’re baptized into Christ and his church
I was baptized into Christ and i am of His church . The RCC aint it my friend . That is what i have been trying to tell you .
One cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of devils .
One cannot be of Christ and of belial .
The church cannot be mixed with the pagan . THIS is what i have been trying to tell you .
 

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I was baptized into Christ and i am of His church . The RCC aint it my friend . That is what i have been trying to tell you .
One cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of devils .
One cannot be of Christ and of belial .
The church cannot be mixed with the pagan . THIS is what i have been trying to tell you .
That’s just the first part
It’s a kingdom and covenant not a bible study
 

robert derrick

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If the 10 commandments are untouchably eternal and cannot be changed nor done away with (as they were in 2 Cor 3), then why is it that the greatest commandments were not written until at the end of the 40 years in the wilderness?

And why is it that the law of circumcision superseded the law of Sabbath? (Matthew 12: 5)
 

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"If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law." James 2

The law of God contains His commandments which fulfill His law. The commandments are points of law, not independent commands separate from the law.

And all the law is commandment of God: "That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee...But as for thee, stand thou here by me, and I will speak unto thee all the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which thou shalt teach them...Ye shall observe to do therefore as the LORD your God hath commanded you."

The law is one law commanded by one commandment. It is a whole law without separating parts, and in the Old Covenant it is called the law of a carnal commandment. (Heb 7)

The law and commandant of God by Moses was called carnal, because it commanded physical obedience only. The change in law of God from that of Moses to that of Christ was of necessity due to the new birth with divine nature by the faith of Jesus. The Law of God by Christ is now of oath and in the Spirit, called the law of the Spirit.

The commandment now is to repent of dead works and to be changed from within by the Spirit, so that the commandment now is to the inner man first. No more just a carnal commandment against adultery, but the commandment against lust in the heart, which was never commanded in the law of Moses commanded by God in the mount and above the mercy seat.

Therefore, the change of the law of God by necessity from Moses to Christ is completely bound in the change for outward obedience only, carnally, of the flesh, to inward obedience of the heart and the Spirit, against which there is no law. So that he is a Jew that is circumcised inwardly, and he is not a Jew that is circumcised of the flesh only.

They who hold to the carnal commandment of Moses of old, judge not according to faith and spirit inwardly, but only according to the appearance of outward obedience to a law that is past. They have circumcised themselves with carnal hands of a carnal commandment, so that they have made themselves outward in obedience only, not inwardly by the Spirit.

And so, without any regard to confession of faith and sincerity of heart, if the Sabbath is not physically kept, then they are condemned as transgressors unworthy of fellowship in Christ. They thereby separate themselves from the body of Christ by carnal ordinance, even as they separate commandment from law of God, and have not the Spirit. (Jude)

Even as the Pharisees were in the Sabbath, and the Judaizers were in circumcision, so are these worshippers of the Sabbath: they are separatists, elitists, holier-than-thou lawgivers and judges. They have defined themselves by their Sabbath in their own religion, even as the Jews have defined themselves by circumcision in the Jews' religion.

The commandment of the Sabbath is their greatest commandment, for without the keeping of it carnally, they have no fellowship in faith. All the law hangs on it with themselves as keepers and proselytizers.
 

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Just follow the trail back to where I pointed it out, but you ignored my comment to correct me about my lack of legalism.
I can't be bothered to go back and find it again, only to be ignored a second time.
It's easy. Just pick anything Paul wrote about the law, and he has or would twist it. Or any Scripture in the Bible about law and commandments for that matter.
 

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Actually it's the only nation that matter to God (1 Peter 2:9)
Peter is written to the dispersed Jews. So let’s take that into context, they were a holy nation and when they are restored will be a complete nation


1 Peter 1:1–2 (NKJV): To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:
Grace to you and peace be multiplied.
 

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Where did I misquote Paul?
I apologize for my previous response to this post. I was having a bad day a work and was more ill-tempered than usual. ;)

I REALLY AM tired of this argument, so accept this as an explanation and feel free to “take it or leave it” since I just want out of this discussion. I hate the yoke of legalism, but I do not advocate “christian hedonism” as a viable response to Ephesians 2:10.

You have claimed that Paul has claimed that the 10 commandments are a “good law” and the Law of Moses is a “carnal law”. I call your attention to the following verses by Paul:

Romans 7:4-12 [NKJV]
4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another--to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "You shall not covet." 8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. 9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. 12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.​

Paul says that we have become dead to the Law and been delivered from the Law and the “commandment” brought death rather than life. You will likely claim that this is the Law of Moses that we are dead to and delivered from, but note the example that Paul uses is “You shall not covet.” … one of the 10 commandments. According to Paul, it is the 10 commandments that are the Law that is “good”, but which produces only death in us (because it can only teach us about our sin, rather than offer forgiveness). It is to the Law of the 10 commandments that we have been set free. Not free to covet, but free from damnation of sin making us covet in response to hearing the Law.

God is not pleased because we obey; we obey because God loves us and we desire to please Him.
This is why a Christian cannot live a reprobate lifestyle … the desire to live like that is no longer in us. However we have been freed from the fear of damnation if our works do not measure up (John 3:18).

So Paul included the 10 commandments in the Law that we are delivered from … the Law that brings only death. You claim otherwise.