The law of Moses vs the law of Christ

[marks]

In 70 ad all the inhabitants of that area were murdered. Where did the Jews your referencing come from? I wish @APAK would respond here he seems to have studied in depth as to whom these modern inhabitants of Jerusalem are.

I'm aware of the different views of the inhabitants of Israel. I am not in the slightest interested in diving down that rabbit hole.

Just the same, the prophecies of the OT will be fulfilled. Obadiah is sufficient for me to settle the matter.

Much love!

 

[Wrangler]

1. We know that the Old Covenant is old and vanished away. (Heb 8:13) 2. We know that the law and commandments engraven in stone have been done away. (2 Cor 3:11) 3. And we know that along with the Covenant and priesthood of the old, the law of God has been changed to accommodate the New Covenant, priesthood, and life of Spirit by grace through faith of Jesus

My pastor added a 4th one:
4. The Old Covenant very specifically applies to the Hebrews who were freed from slavery in Egypt. We (American descendants from Europe) were never Hebrews but Gentiles and the law never applied to us to begin with.

 

[Waiting on him]

If you love the Christ, then you will fulfill all His law.

 

[marks]

" In Christ, there is no Jew or gentile, we are one in Him. And yet to the children of Jacob will be land grants by tribe, in the millennial kingdom. According to the Bible."

@marks can you clearly explain these two clashing sentences you wrote above, via scripture and with secular history?

Thanks,

APAK

What two clashing sentences? I'll assume you mean about the differences between this age and the age to come? But there is no conflict.

We are 'in Christ in this dispensation'. We've been saved by grace through fatih. In the coming kingdom age, Jesus is here on earth, and things are a little different. Will there be faith in that day? Or will there be sight?

Now, there are no national distinctions between God's people. In the kingdom age, there will be.

Zechariah, all the nations shall go to Israel for the feast. According to God's covenant with Isreal, Israel will be head of nations, and Jesus will rule the earth from Jerusalem.

Each tribe will receive it's land alotment. The Apostles will judge the tribes. There is of course much more.

Obadiah identifies the house of Jacob and the house of Israel at the time of the day of the LORD, the defender who is victorious, and will posses their lands.

History is written by many people. The Bible is written by God. Then there are current events. We can all just look and see what is happening now. Obadiah correctly identifies the areas where terrorists occupy around Israel, including Gaza, the West Bank, Southern Lebanon, and correctly identifies who these terrorists are.

And likewise identifies the house of Israel, and the house of Jacob.

Before getting into all this Rothchild/Ashkenazi stuff, in case that's where you are going, I'm not interested in the slightest. Been there, done that, I don't buy it.

The Biblical prophecies, OT, Jesus, all involve an Israel, with Jerusalem, the land of the Isrealites. And when I look at the world, I see that. To me, it's a simple thing.

It doesn't mean I take a simplistic approach, I've explored various theories about the modern inhabitants of Israel. But like so many things I've found, the answers tend to be simple.

Much love!

 

[marks]

There's actually an even more interesting nuance: Peter was saying this in context of the transfiguration, saying that even though he witnessed am incredible vision and heard the audible voice of the Father, the more sure word of prophecy is what ought to be the basis of faith, that is, scripture, because scripture and prophecy isn't given our to be understood by man's opinion or interpretation but by the Spirit of God, the scripture itself interpreting scripture, therefore more sure than hearing voices and seeing visions... The written word is therefore more reliable, anything else having no witness.

Yes! YES!!! Even after that, Peter STILL points to the written Word. I'm glad you mentioned this!

So people share their mystical experiences, and then go on to describe the new understandings they have, and they go all over the map, off into the deep, because they refuse to subjugate their visions and dreams and flights of fancy to the Written Word.

OK. Got that off my chest!

Much love!

 

[Waiting on him]

According to many the 144k redeeming from off the face of the earth is a futuristic event. If this is true then none have been redeemed being they were the first fruits.

 

[Waiting on him]

I'm aware of the different views of the inhabitants of Israel. I am not in the slightest interested in diving down that rabbit hole.

Just the same, the prophecies of the OT will be fulfilled. Obadiah is sufficient for me to settle the matter.

Much love!

Well that’s fine, I’d only hoped you could explain the futuristic view.

 

[DPMartin]

The law of Christ is written in the Scriptures given to His apostles, which He began to do after His resurrection (Acts 1), and continued to do after His ascension (Acts 10:28), and ceased to do after Rev 22.

That law is written and found only in the doctrine of Christ, also called the apostles' doctrine. No other commandment nor law may be preached as law of God to believers in Christ. Only that which He gave to His chosen 12 apostles for that very purpose (Acts 1:2). Paul called it laying the foundation of Christ, which we may all build upon to build up our fellow believers by ministry of the faith. (1 Cor 3)

To preach any other law, even as any other gospel, than that which the apostles wrote, is to falsely lay another foundation for Christ. A false foundation of a false christ.

The law of Christ is the law of God for His New Covenant, which he established for His believers after His death on the cross, where the Old Covenant and law of God by Moses was changed for the New. (Heb 7:11,12) It is the law that is written on the believers hearts, rather than the law that Moses wrote on tables of stone.

The law and commandments engraven in stone have been done away with it's foreshadowing glory (2 Cor 3) to make way for the law of Christ and His more excellent glory.

The Word of God is the Word of God, and all Scripture given by God is still Scripture today, but not all Scripture is written as law of God, and only Scriptures given to the apostles by our Risen Saviour is written as law of Christ. Any Scripture can be followed and practiced personally by any believer, but only the law of Christ is to be obeyed by all believers in Christ.

So, you can do whatever you want that was written in stone by Moses, but if you preach it as law of Christ for all, then you are preaching your own personal faith as the faith of Jesus for all to abide in.

wow sorry man it seems you are way off base here

Jesus is the fulfillment of the law therefore the Life of Christ is to walk in the same. also you didn't show exactly what the law of Christ is, the apostle were entrusted by Jesus to administer the ministry of grace which is based on the good news which is that Jesus has fulfilled the faith of Abraham in the Grace and Truth of God.

you don't seem to get the law of faith that was required to be fulfilled by even Adam and Eve. they believed and trusted something other than the Word of God, and died of the life they had and were left with a dust to dust life the same as animals have in the flesh. to live the Life that Jesus has restored in the Son of man, one must live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Jesus being the Word of God is that Life which can be received by being born again of the Holy Spirit. hence by believing and trusting the Word of God revealed has always been required by the Almighty. so the rules have never changed.

 

[Waiting on him]

Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets. I understand those led by men’s teachings saying He is slack and untrustworthy. I’ve witnessed it and partook of it myself.

 

[marks]

According to many the 144k redeeming from off the face of the earth is a futuristic event. If this is true then none have been redeemed being they were the first fruits.

First fruits of that time period, or dispensation.

Paul called himself and ones with him firstfruits also.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Well that’s fine, I’d only hoped you could explain the futuristic view.

There's a lot too it. Is there somewhere I should start? Something of particular interest? Should we start a new thread?

Much love!

 

[Waiting on him]

There's a lot too it. Is there somewhere I should start? Something of particular interest? Should we start a new thread?

Much love!

I guess you could begin with Matthew 24 where He’s having a private conversation with His disciples telling them they would witness all these things, even the AoD. This would be where Obidiha is thoroughly explained.

 

[marks]

I guess you could begin with Matthew 24 where He’s having a private conversation with His disciples telling them they would witness all these things, even the AoD. This would be where Obidiha is thoroughly explained.

So then we need to start with the genre of the "Gospels", and how to receive Jesus' teachings. I'll give this some thought.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I guess you could begin with Matthew 24 where He’s having a private conversation with His disciples telling them they would witness all these things, even the AoD. This would be where Obidiha is thoroughly explained.

I'll start here.

Mark 13:3 KJV
3) And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,

Matthew 24:15 KJV
15) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)

Acts 12:1-2 KJV
1) Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church.
2) And he killed James the brother of John with the sword.

Was Jesus prophesying that James would see the AOD?

If yes, then how is it that he died before anything like that happened? And if no, then who was He prophesing would see it?

Much love!

 

[Waiting on him]

I'll start here.

Mark 13:3 KJV
3) And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,

Matthew 24:15 KJV
15) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)

Acts 12:1-2 KJV
1) Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church.
2) And he killed James the brother of John with the sword.

Was Jesus prophesying that James would see the AOD?

If yes, then how is it that he died before anything like that happened? And if no, then who was He prophesing would see it?

Much love!

Are you assuming that James didn’t see what Jesus said he would?

 

[marks]

Are you assuming that James didn’t see what Jesus said he would?

Thank you! This let's me know I don't need to put time into this.

Much love!

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus is the fulfillment of the law therefore the Life of Christ is to walk in the same.

Why is it said that Jesus fulfilled the law? It suggests it only needed to be fulfilled one time but doesn't it always have to be fulfilled, like always stopping at a stop sign for all drivers?

 

[Waiting on him]

Thank you! This let's me know I don't need to put time into this.

Much love!

Only one more question, if you have the time sir, the AOD, your understanding of what it is? Is this what you were taught by men, or something that you were given by God?

 

[Waiting on him]

Why is it said that Jesus fulfilled the law? It suggests it only needed to be fulfilled one time but doesn't it always have to be fulfilled, like always stopping at a stop sign for all drivers?

The law was given to Israel, to manifest Christ to them. Once He is manifest physically and Spiritually there is no more a need for it. He is our righteousness if indeed He has been made manifest.

 

[marks]

Only one more question, if you have the time sir, the AOD, your understanding of what it is? Is this what you were taught by men, or something that you were given by God?

What the Bible says, so, given by God.

Much love!