COVENANTS

[ReChoired]

Hello @ReChoired,

It says clearly in verse 31 that the new covenant will be made with 'the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah.'.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

According to the Bible,

[1] Who is Israel, and who are of His House?

[2] Who is Judah, and who are of His House?
​

Will you attempt the original [1]?

[1] Contextually, What "my ("LORD" "God") law" is being referred to?​

 

[robert derrick]

True. Never before Exodus 19 & 24 was such an agreement entered into:

Exo 19:3 And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;
Exo 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Exo 19:7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
Exo 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.​

Yet, God's "my covenant" (the Ten Commandments) already existed prior to that agreement, covenant. Even with Abraham:

Gen_26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Gen_18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.​

Notice carefully in Exodus 19:6, "these are the words" of the 'old covenant'. The Ten Commandments are differing a "word" (Deuteronomy 4:2).

You just said it yourself. "part of". That, by your admission, shows that the Ten Commandments are not the covenant itself. They are part of the "terms" agreed to in covenant with God. While the Ten Commandments existed prior to this, the agreement/covenant then made (entered into) was never made before them.

Indeed, "commands". They had agreed 3 days prior to "obey all" of what God commanded.

Deu_4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.​

Again, "his covenant", the "my covenant" of God is not the 'old covenant' (agreement of the peoples to obey God), they are what the peoples agreed to "obey" and "perform".

Except you need to look more carefully at Deuteronomy 5:12 first, before considering Deuteronomy 5:15.

Deuteronomy 5:15 is not the primary reason, but a secondary reason. Look at Deuteronomy 5:12:

Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.​

Did you notice the words "Keep", "as" (the manner already given) and "hath commanded" (past tense)?

When did God command them in their covenant agreement? Exodus 20:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.​

Did you see the primary reason ("For") in verse 11? The "therefore" in Deuteronomy 5:15 is secondary (additional reason) to that previous "for".

Can you show me anywhere in Exodus where God then made the Sabbath holy? It was already "made" (Mark 2:27) holy (sanctified) from Genesis 2:1-3. It was already in existence long before Mt. Sinai, even as Paul states:

Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.​

The passage in Deuteronomy, thus shows two reasons, a primary (Exodus 20:11), and then a secondary in addition to the primary (Deuteronomy 5:15). The first is a matter of Creation, the second a matter of Redemption.

God had already reminded Israel the peoples to keep the Sabbath of the LORD through Moses (Exodus 5 & 16). Moses was a sabbath reformer, for while in Egypt they had forgotten God's sabbath as a whole (though some individuals still observed it). See Genesis 18:19; 26:5 as previously given, for Abraham had kept the sabbath of the LORD, and taught i to his children, and they to theirs. Even Joseph had it in Egypt, but due to the long years of captivity they backslid, and eventually forgot. This is why God said "Remember" (it already existed), and asked them in Exodus 16:

Exo_16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.

Exo_16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.​

Read 1 Corinthians 10. As they were tested on this, so too we upon whom the ends of the world have come. Then read Revelation 14:6-12. Same test.

The day or rest of God and of any that do so by His example in free will of faith is not the commanded law of Sabbath. The day of rest is a Scriptural example of God, and the Sabbath is a legal command from God. The day of rest is for any and all to follow by faith, and the Sabbath was commanded to the physical seed of Abraham only by law.

Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Show any of these written in Scripture to Abraham. I read circumcision. Not 'Sabbath'. Your read into Scripture something that cannot be read in Scripture.

he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment

To do justice and judgment speaks of commandments of judgment. No specifics other than of circumcision.

 

[robert derrick]

True. Never before Exodus 19 & 24 was such an agreement entered into:

Exo 19:3 And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;
Exo 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Exo 19:7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
Exo 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.​

Yet, God's "my covenant" (the Ten Commandments) already existed prior to that agreement, covenant. Even with Abraham:

Gen_26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Gen_18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.​

Notice carefully in Exodus 19:6, "these are the words" of the 'old covenant'. The Ten Commandments are differing a "word" (Deuteronomy 4:2).

You just said it yourself. "part of". That, by your admission, shows that the Ten Commandments are not the covenant itself. They are part of the "terms" agreed to in covenant with God. While the Ten Commandments existed prior to this, the agreement/covenant then made (entered into) was never made before them.

Indeed, "commands". They had agreed 3 days prior to "obey all" of what God commanded.

Deu_4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.​

Again, "his covenant", the "my covenant" of God is not the 'old covenant' (agreement of the peoples to obey God), they are what the peoples agreed to "obey" and "perform".

Except you need to look more carefully at Deuteronomy 5:12 first, before considering Deuteronomy 5:15.

Deuteronomy 5:15 is not the primary reason, but a secondary reason. Look at Deuteronomy 5:12:

Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.​

Did you notice the words "Keep", "as" (the manner already given) and "hath commanded" (past tense)?

When did God command them in their covenant agreement? Exodus 20:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.​

Did you see the primary reason ("For") in verse 11? The "therefore" in Deuteronomy 5:15 is secondary (additional reason) to that previous "for".

Can you show me anywhere in Exodus where God then made the Sabbath holy? It was already "made" (Mark 2:27) holy (sanctified) from Genesis 2:1-3. It was already in existence long before Mt. Sinai, even as Paul states:

Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.​

The passage in Deuteronomy, thus shows two reasons, a primary (Exodus 20:11), and then a secondary in addition to the primary (Deuteronomy 5:15). The first is a matter of Creation, the second a matter of Redemption.

God had already reminded Israel the peoples to keep the Sabbath of the LORD through Moses (Exodus 5 & 16). Moses was a sabbath reformer, for while in Egypt they had forgotten God's sabbath as a whole (though some individuals still observed it). See Genesis 18:19; 26:5 as previously given, for Abraham had kept the sabbath of the LORD, and taught i to his children, and they to theirs. Even Joseph had it in Egypt, but due to the long years of captivity they backslid, and eventually forgot. This is why God said "Remember" (it already existed), and asked them in Exodus 16:

Exo_16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.

Exo_16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.​

Read 1 Corinthians 10. As they were tested on this, so too we upon whom the ends of the world have come. Then read Revelation 14:6-12. Same test.

God's "my covenant" (the Ten Commandments) already existed prior to that agreement, covenant.

Ex 19 and 20 are not separate events: Ex 20:1-17 occurs in Ex 19:19.

In Ex 19 God began in Sinai to offer the covenant of promise made with Abraham to His physical seed: to make them His peculiar treasure to be above all other people on earth (Ex 19:5-6). It was made in same manner to Abraham, to obey His voice Personally.

He therefore came down upon the mount in the sight of all the people, and when Moses spoke, then the Lord spoke (Ex 19:19), and what did He speak? He spoke the 10 commandments (20:1-17) in the smoke with the loud trumpet, so that all could hear, but unlike Abraham and Moses, the physical seed drew back and refused to hear God Himself (20:18-19).

Therefore the covenant of promise to Abraham's physical seed made with the 10 commandments, which was never made before with Abraham, 'already existed' for three whole days (19:10-11) prior to the covenant of the law on tables of stone, which God began to give to Moses only upon their refusal to do what they promised (19:8)

The covenant with 10 commandments spoken and offered to the physical seed of Abraham was not given to Abraham himself. The 10 commandments were never spoken by God in Scripture before Ex 20, which was at Ex 19:19. And when the people drew back, Moses pleaded with them not do so (20:20), saying that God in person by voice speaking His 10 commandments was to prove them: and they still refused and stood afar off (20:21), even as the physical seed did again at the cross. But Moses went back himself to draw nigh to God in the thick darkness where God was (20:22), and God proceeded with the law of a covenant (20:22-23), that would be made old and vanish away with Christ.

The whole effort to make these 10 commandments 'existing' with Abraham before, is to try and keep them existing with Christ after. While they did exist in Scripture by voice of God only for the first time shortly before the covenant by law, they do not exist in Scripture as a whole for a single moment after the covenant by law is done away, that the covenant by Christ should be established (Heb 10:9).

The Sabbath came into being by name for the first time in Scripture to Abraham's physical seed, not to Abraham himself. Likewise the 10 commandments were first spoken to the physical seed, not to Abraham. These 10 commandments spoken by God before all the people, along with God's judgments (Ex 20-23), were then written by Moses in the book of the covenant (Ex 24:4,7). Afterward, God then engraved this law and commandments with His own finger on tables of stone (Ex 24:12), and were placed in the ark, and then done way in Christ. (2 Cor 3:11)

If the 10 commandments 'existed' before Exodus 20, then quote the Scriptures saying so. Likewise with the Sabbath by commandment before Exodus 16.

 

[robert derrick]

True. Never before Exodus 19 & 24 was such an agreement entered into:

Exo 19:3 And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;
Exo 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Exo 19:7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
Exo 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.​

Yet, God's "my covenant" (the Ten Commandments) already existed prior to that agreement, covenant. Even with Abraham:

Gen_26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Gen_18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.​

Notice carefully in Exodus 19:6, "these are the words" of the 'old covenant'. The Ten Commandments are differing a "word" (Deuteronomy 4:2).

You just said it yourself. "part of". That, by your admission, shows that the Ten Commandments are not the covenant itself. They are part of the "terms" agreed to in covenant with God. While the Ten Commandments existed prior to this, the agreement/covenant then made (entered into) was never made before them.

Indeed, "commands". They had agreed 3 days prior to "obey all" of what God commanded.

Deu_4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.​

Again, "his covenant", the "my covenant" of God is not the 'old covenant' (agreement of the peoples to obey God), they are what the peoples agreed to "obey" and "perform".

Except you need to look more carefully at Deuteronomy 5:12 first, before considering Deuteronomy 5:15.

Deuteronomy 5:15 is not the primary reason, but a secondary reason. Look at Deuteronomy 5:12:

Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.​

Did you notice the words "Keep", "as" (the manner already given) and "hath commanded" (past tense)?

When did God command them in their covenant agreement? Exodus 20:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.​

Did you see the primary reason ("For") in verse 11? The "therefore" in Deuteronomy 5:15 is secondary (additional reason) to that previous "for".

Can you show me anywhere in Exodus where God then made the Sabbath holy? It was already "made" (Mark 2:27) holy (sanctified) from Genesis 2:1-3. It was already in existence long before Mt. Sinai, even as Paul states:

Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.​

The passage in Deuteronomy, thus shows two reasons, a primary (Exodus 20:11), and then a secondary in addition to the primary (Deuteronomy 5:15). The first is a matter of Creation, the second a matter of Redemption.

God had already reminded Israel the peoples to keep the Sabbath of the LORD through Moses (Exodus 5 & 16). Moses was a sabbath reformer, for while in Egypt they had forgotten God's sabbath as a whole (though some individuals still observed it). See Genesis 18:19; 26:5 as previously given, for Abraham had kept the sabbath of the LORD, and taught i to his children, and they to theirs. Even Joseph had it in Egypt, but due to the long years of captivity they backslid, and eventually forgot. This is why God said "Remember" (it already existed), and asked them in Exodus 16:

Exo_16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.

Exo_16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.​

Read 1 Corinthians 10. As they were tested on this, so too we upon whom the ends of the world have come. Then read Revelation 14:6-12. Same test.

While the Ten Commandments existed prior to this, the agreement/covenant then made (entered into) was never made before them.

While the ten commandments never existed in Scripture prior to Ex 20, they were given by God with covenant to the physical seed, that was never before made with Abraham, nor any other on earth.

 

[robert derrick]

True. Never before Exodus 19 & 24 was such an agreement entered into:

Exo 19:3 And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;
Exo 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Exo 19:7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
Exo 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.​

Yet, God's "my covenant" (the Ten Commandments) already existed prior to that agreement, covenant. Even with Abraham:

Gen_26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Gen_18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.​

Notice carefully in Exodus 19:6, "these are the words" of the 'old covenant'. The Ten Commandments are differing a "word" (Deuteronomy 4:2).

You just said it yourself. "part of". That, by your admission, shows that the Ten Commandments are not the covenant itself. They are part of the "terms" agreed to in covenant with God. While the Ten Commandments existed prior to this, the agreement/covenant then made (entered into) was never made before them.

Indeed, "commands". They had agreed 3 days prior to "obey all" of what God commanded.

Deu_4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.​

Again, "his covenant", the "my covenant" of God is not the 'old covenant' (agreement of the peoples to obey God), they are what the peoples agreed to "obey" and "perform".

Except you need to look more carefully at Deuteronomy 5:12 first, before considering Deuteronomy 5:15.

Deuteronomy 5:15 is not the primary reason, but a secondary reason. Look at Deuteronomy 5:12:

Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.​

Did you notice the words "Keep", "as" (the manner already given) and "hath commanded" (past tense)?

When did God command them in their covenant agreement? Exodus 20:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.​

Did you see the primary reason ("For") in verse 11? The "therefore" in Deuteronomy 5:15 is secondary (additional reason) to that previous "for".

Can you show me anywhere in Exodus where God then made the Sabbath holy? It was already "made" (Mark 2:27) holy (sanctified) from Genesis 2:1-3. It was already in existence long before Mt. Sinai, even as Paul states:

Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.​

The passage in Deuteronomy, thus shows two reasons, a primary (Exodus 20:11), and then a secondary in addition to the primary (Deuteronomy 5:15). The first is a matter of Creation, the second a matter of Redemption.

God had already reminded Israel the peoples to keep the Sabbath of the LORD through Moses (Exodus 5 & 16). Moses was a sabbath reformer, for while in Egypt they had forgotten God's sabbath as a whole (though some individuals still observed it). See Genesis 18:19; 26:5 as previously given, for Abraham had kept the sabbath of the LORD, and taught i to his children, and they to theirs. Even Joseph had it in Egypt, but due to the long years of captivity they backslid, and eventually forgot. This is why God said "Remember" (it already existed), and asked them in Exodus 16:

Exo_16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.

Exo_16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.​

Read 1 Corinthians 10. As they were tested on this, so too we upon whom the ends of the world have come. Then read Revelation 14:6-12. Same test.

Notice carefully in Exodus 19:6, "these are the words" of the 'old covenant'. The Ten Commandments are differing a "word" (Deuteronomy 4:2).

Notice carefully how that when any say 'notice carefully', they are about to introduce something no one would ever notice at all by plain Scripture, except they directed you to 'notice carefully':

In 19:6 God is commanding Moses to tell the people the words of a covenant of promise, that He just spoke to Moses in Sinai, to make them a peculiar treasure above all the people of the earth. Moses proceeded to do so, and they all agreed by voice (19:8), and then they proceeded to withdraw from it (Ex 20:18), when this covenant of promise included the 10 commandments, for the first time written in Scripture, were spoken by God in Person from the smoke with a loud trumpet by voice. (Ex 19:19)

The covenant that God then of necessity gave by law from the mount only to Moses would become the old covenant done away with. The initial 'words' were not of the old covenant, but of the spoken covenant of promise as with Abraham, that they refused.

And the 'word' that Moses 'commanded' them in Deut 4 shows that all the law, the commandments, the statutes, the judgments, etc...were one word and commandment, even as He has one law. (Num 9)

There is no such thing as 10 commandments to 'notice' being separate as a differing 'word' of commandment from 'words' of covenant, no matter how 'carefully' you read what is written, unless you want to notice something in there that helps push along a personal doctrine.

 

[robert derrick]

True. Never before Exodus 19 & 24 was such an agreement entered into:

Exo 19:3 And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;
Exo 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Exo 19:7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
Exo 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.​

Yet, God's "my covenant" (the Ten Commandments) already existed prior to that agreement, covenant. Even with Abraham:

Gen_26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Gen_18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.​

Notice carefully in Exodus 19:6, "these are the words" of the 'old covenant'. The Ten Commandments are differing a "word" (Deuteronomy 4:2).

You just said it yourself. "part of". That, by your admission, shows that the Ten Commandments are not the covenant itself. They are part of the "terms" agreed to in covenant with God. While the Ten Commandments existed prior to this, the agreement/covenant then made (entered into) was never made before them.

Indeed, "commands". They had agreed 3 days prior to "obey all" of what God commanded.

Deu_4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.​

Again, "his covenant", the "my covenant" of God is not the 'old covenant' (agreement of the peoples to obey God), they are what the peoples agreed to "obey" and "perform".

Except you need to look more carefully at Deuteronomy 5:12 first, before considering Deuteronomy 5:15.

Deuteronomy 5:15 is not the primary reason, but a secondary reason. Look at Deuteronomy 5:12:

Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.​

Did you notice the words "Keep", "as" (the manner already given) and "hath commanded" (past tense)?

When did God command them in their covenant agreement? Exodus 20:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.​

Did you see the primary reason ("For") in verse 11? The "therefore" in Deuteronomy 5:15 is secondary (additional reason) to that previous "for".

Can you show me anywhere in Exodus where God then made the Sabbath holy? It was already "made" (Mark 2:27) holy (sanctified) from Genesis 2:1-3. It was already in existence long before Mt. Sinai, even as Paul states:

Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.​

The passage in Deuteronomy, thus shows two reasons, a primary (Exodus 20:11), and then a secondary in addition to the primary (Deuteronomy 5:15). The first is a matter of Creation, the second a matter of Redemption.

God had already reminded Israel the peoples to keep the Sabbath of the LORD through Moses (Exodus 5 & 16). Moses was a sabbath reformer, for while in Egypt they had forgotten God's sabbath as a whole (though some individuals still observed it). See Genesis 18:19; 26:5 as previously given, for Abraham had kept the sabbath of the LORD, and taught i to his children, and they to theirs. Even Joseph had it in Egypt, but due to the long years of captivity they backslid, and eventually forgot. This is why God said "Remember" (it already existed), and asked them in Exodus 16:

Exo_16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.

Exo_16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.​

Read 1 Corinthians 10. As they were tested on this, so too we upon whom the ends of the world have come. Then read Revelation 14:6-12. Same test.

Except you need to look more carefully at Deuteronomy 5:12 first, before considering Deuteronomy 5:15. Deuteronomy 5:15 is not the primary reason, but a secondary reason. Look at Deuteronomy 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. Did you notice the words "Keep", "as" (the manner already given) and "hath commanded" (past tense)?

Once again, 'needing to look more carefully' means needing to be ready to be shown a wresting of Scripture by parsing of words, that have no basis in grammar nor rational thought:

The 10 commandments were not all that was written on two tables of stone by God given to Moses:

These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me. (5:22)

These 10 commandments were all that God spoke out of the smoke of fire before all the people in their sight to hear for themselves. They were included on two tables of stone written by God in the mount alone with Moses, after they drew back from Him (20:18). They were not all that was written by God, but also the law, which was added because of transgression of the people in turning back from their agreement of covenant and promise to obey all (19:8).

God added no more to the 10 commandments by voice before all the people in Ex 20, but He certainly did add law and pattern of tabernacle, and ordinances of priesthood and sacrifices, to those commandments on stone in His own handwriting (Acts 24-31):

And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written. (Ex 24:12)

The 2 tables were written on front and back by God in perfection and detail all that was written from Ex 25-31: Not just the 10 commandments.

 

[robert derrick]

True. Never before Exodus 19 & 24 was such an agreement entered into:

Exo 19:3 And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;
Exo 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Exo 19:7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
Exo 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.​

Yet, God's "my covenant" (the Ten Commandments) already existed prior to that agreement, covenant. Even with Abraham:

Gen_26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Gen_18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.​

Notice carefully in Exodus 19:6, "these are the words" of the 'old covenant'. The Ten Commandments are differing a "word" (Deuteronomy 4:2).

You just said it yourself. "part of". That, by your admission, shows that the Ten Commandments are not the covenant itself. They are part of the "terms" agreed to in covenant with God. While the Ten Commandments existed prior to this, the agreement/covenant then made (entered into) was never made before them.

Indeed, "commands". They had agreed 3 days prior to "obey all" of what God commanded.

Deu_4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.​

Again, "his covenant", the "my covenant" of God is not the 'old covenant' (agreement of the peoples to obey God), they are what the peoples agreed to "obey" and "perform".

Except you need to look more carefully at Deuteronomy 5:12 first, before considering Deuteronomy 5:15.

Deuteronomy 5:15 is not the primary reason, but a secondary reason. Look at Deuteronomy 5:12:

Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.​

Did you notice the words "Keep", "as" (the manner already given) and "hath commanded" (past tense)?

When did God command them in their covenant agreement? Exodus 20:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.​

Did you see the primary reason ("For") in verse 11? The "therefore" in Deuteronomy 5:15 is secondary (additional reason) to that previous "for".

Can you show me anywhere in Exodus where God then made the Sabbath holy? It was already "made" (Mark 2:27) holy (sanctified) from Genesis 2:1-3. It was already in existence long before Mt. Sinai, even as Paul states:

Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.​

The passage in Deuteronomy, thus shows two reasons, a primary (Exodus 20:11), and then a secondary in addition to the primary (Deuteronomy 5:15). The first is a matter of Creation, the second a matter of Redemption.

God had already reminded Israel the peoples to keep the Sabbath of the LORD through Moses (Exodus 5 & 16). Moses was a sabbath reformer, for while in Egypt they had forgotten God's sabbath as a whole (though some individuals still observed it). See Genesis 18:19; 26:5 as previously given, for Abraham had kept the sabbath of the LORD, and taught i to his children, and they to theirs. Even Joseph had it in Egypt, but due to the long years of captivity they backslid, and eventually forgot. This is why God said "Remember" (it already existed), and asked them in Exodus 16:

Exo_16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.

Exo_16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.​

Read 1 Corinthians 10. As they were tested on this, so too we upon whom the ends of the world have come. Then read Revelation 14:6-12. Same test.

Notice carefully in Exodus 19:6, "these are the words" of the 'old covenant'. The Ten Commandments are differing a "word" (Deuteronomy 4:2).

The Sabbath was made law to keep as the 4th commandment to the same physical seed that received the ordinance of the 7th day Passover feast to be kept by them for ever.

In Ex 16 the Sabbath was first named by God in Scripture pertaining to the test of manna, and then in Ex 20 the Sabbath was first commanded by God in Scripture to prove the people in keeping the ordinance of the Passover. For the first time in Scripture the 7th day of rest and the Passover ordinance were commanded as a matter of law of God.

The 7th day of rest began with God in Gen 2. The Passover ordinance was given by God in Ex 12. The Sabbath was commanded for the first time to a physical seed as a nation to keep as such in Ex 20.

The 7th day of rest was tied to the 7th day Passover feast, and then both were commanded as the Sabbath. The 7th day of rest was long before the Passover feast ordinance, which was 3 months before the Sabbath commandment.

The Sabbath is a legal term made by commandment of God pertaining only to the physical seed of promise, which is done away with that covenant and law, leaving the 7th day of rest in Christ for life, and may be practiced physically with free will, by anyone on earth by example of God in the Bible, whether they believe Jesus or not. And God will bless their practise, because God set the example of it Himself.

It is the same with tithing: Abraham tithed by free will to Melchisedec with a 10th of the spoils. Tithing was then made commandment of law to the physical seed for the Levitical priesthood, and now tithing may be a free will choice by faith in the priesthood of Jesus and His saints.

 

[robert derrick]

True. Never before Exodus 19 & 24 was such an agreement entered into:

Exo 19:3 And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;
Exo 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Exo 19:7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
Exo 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.​

Yet, God's "my covenant" (the Ten Commandments) already existed prior to that agreement, covenant. Even with Abraham:

Gen_26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Gen_18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.​

Notice carefully in Exodus 19:6, "these are the words" of the 'old covenant'. The Ten Commandments are differing a "word" (Deuteronomy 4:2).

You just said it yourself. "part of". That, by your admission, shows that the Ten Commandments are not the covenant itself. They are part of the "terms" agreed to in covenant with God. While the Ten Commandments existed prior to this, the agreement/covenant then made (entered into) was never made before them.

Indeed, "commands". They had agreed 3 days prior to "obey all" of what God commanded.

Deu_4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.​

Again, "his covenant", the "my covenant" of God is not the 'old covenant' (agreement of the peoples to obey God), they are what the peoples agreed to "obey" and "perform".

Except you need to look more carefully at Deuteronomy 5:12 first, before considering Deuteronomy 5:15.

Deuteronomy 5:15 is not the primary reason, but a secondary reason. Look at Deuteronomy 5:12:

Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.​

Did you notice the words "Keep", "as" (the manner already given) and "hath commanded" (past tense)?

When did God command them in their covenant agreement? Exodus 20:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.​

Did you see the primary reason ("For") in verse 11? The "therefore" in Deuteronomy 5:15 is secondary (additional reason) to that previous "for".

Can you show me anywhere in Exodus where God then made the Sabbath holy? It was already "made" (Mark 2:27) holy (sanctified) from Genesis 2:1-3. It was already in existence long before Mt. Sinai, even as Paul states:

Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.​

The passage in Deuteronomy, thus shows two reasons, a primary (Exodus 20:11), and then a secondary in addition to the primary (Deuteronomy 5:15). The first is a matter of Creation, the second a matter of Redemption.

God had already reminded Israel the peoples to keep the Sabbath of the LORD through Moses (Exodus 5 & 16). Moses was a sabbath reformer, for while in Egypt they had forgotten God's sabbath as a whole (though some individuals still observed it). See Genesis 18:19; 26:5 as previously given, for Abraham had kept the sabbath of the LORD, and taught i to his children, and they to theirs. Even Joseph had it in Egypt, but due to the long years of captivity they backslid, and eventually forgot. This is why God said "Remember" (it already existed), and asked them in Exodus 16:

Exo_16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.

Exo_16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.​

Read 1 Corinthians 10. As they were tested on this, so too we upon whom the ends of the world have come. Then read Revelation 14:6-12. Same test.

Moses was a sabbath reformer, for while in Egypt they had forgotten God's sabbath as a whole

And the Lord said unto Moses, go thou and reform my Sabbath with this stiffnecked and rebellious people, while in bonds in Egypt, for they have forgotten my Sabbath, which I commanded them...when?

Moses was not sent by God to Egypt 'reform' anything, but to deliver the people from bondage, by which bondage they were not free to keep a day of rest. They had not forgotten a law of 'Sabbath', that had not yet been commanded by God anywhere in Scripture before.

The law of covenant was then given by God to Moses to a physical seed for the first time, after their turning back from His voice. Moses reformed nothing. The only reforming is that of Christ to return the covenant of promise of God to the true seed of Abraham, and do away with a physical seed of promise made after the law of a carnal commandment. (Heb 7,10)

Sabbath-keepers today are attempting to 'reform' a commandment that is done away with the old by God and not established in Christ. They are pseudo-Moses 'reformers' and lawgivers of personal law and judges of the guiltless in Christ.

 

[robert derrick]

True. Never before Exodus 19 & 24 was such an agreement entered into:

Exo 19:3 And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;
Exo 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Exo 19:7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
Exo 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.​

Yet, God's "my covenant" (the Ten Commandments) already existed prior to that agreement, covenant. Even with Abraham:

Gen_26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Gen_18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.​

Notice carefully in Exodus 19:6, "these are the words" of the 'old covenant'. The Ten Commandments are differing a "word" (Deuteronomy 4:2).

You just said it yourself. "part of". That, by your admission, shows that the Ten Commandments are not the covenant itself. They are part of the "terms" agreed to in covenant with God. While the Ten Commandments existed prior to this, the agreement/covenant then made (entered into) was never made before them.

Indeed, "commands". They had agreed 3 days prior to "obey all" of what God commanded.

Deu_4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.​

Again, "his covenant", the "my covenant" of God is not the 'old covenant' (agreement of the peoples to obey God), they are what the peoples agreed to "obey" and "perform".

Except you need to look more carefully at Deuteronomy 5:12 first, before considering Deuteronomy 5:15.

Deuteronomy 5:15 is not the primary reason, but a secondary reason. Look at Deuteronomy 5:12:

Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.​

Did you notice the words "Keep", "as" (the manner already given) and "hath commanded" (past tense)?

When did God command them in their covenant agreement? Exodus 20:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.​

Did you see the primary reason ("For") in verse 11? The "therefore" in Deuteronomy 5:15 is secondary (additional reason) to that previous "for".

Can you show me anywhere in Exodus where God then made the Sabbath holy? It was already "made" (Mark 2:27) holy (sanctified) from Genesis 2:1-3. It was already in existence long before Mt. Sinai, even as Paul states:

Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.​

The passage in Deuteronomy, thus shows two reasons, a primary (Exodus 20:11), and then a secondary in addition to the primary (Deuteronomy 5:15). The first is a matter of Creation, the second a matter of Redemption.

God had already reminded Israel the peoples to keep the Sabbath of the LORD through Moses (Exodus 5 & 16). Moses was a sabbath reformer, for while in Egypt they had forgotten God's sabbath as a whole (though some individuals still observed it). See Genesis 18:19; 26:5 as previously given, for Abraham had kept the sabbath of the LORD, and taught i to his children, and they to theirs. Even Joseph had it in Egypt, but due to the long years of captivity they backslid, and eventually forgot. This is why God said "Remember" (it already existed), and asked them in Exodus 16:

Exo_16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.

Exo_16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.​

Read 1 Corinthians 10. As they were tested on this, so too we upon whom the ends of the world have come. Then read Revelation 14:6-12. Same test.

Read 1 Corinthians 10. As they were tested on this, so too we upon whom the ends of the world have come. Then read Revelation 14:6-12. Same test.

They were not tested on the Sabbath, but on the 10 commandments they had heard for themselves. And likewise we are tested on the commandments of Christ, which we have read for ourselves by His apostles, which include:

1 Cor 6: Lusting after evil things, idolatry, fornication, tempting Christ, and murmuring.

Don't read any Sabbath there.

Christians are not tested on the law of Moses, nor do Christians approach to God by the blood of bulls and goats in the Old Covenant.

The same test of the angel preaching the everlasting Gospel of Jesus Christ from mid-heaven?

Well, I suppose testing to have ears to hear would count.

But the real test for the Christian today is 14:4 to follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth.

Not Moses.

 

[forever]

According to the Bible,

[1] Who is Israel, and who are of His House?

[2] Who is Judah, and who are of His House?
​

Will you attempt the original [1]?

[1] Contextually, What "my ("LORD" "God") law" is being referred to?​

let me help you out (sorry i jump in) ,
in prophets both houses are sometimes equated with
the 'northern and southern kingdom',
but in prophecy [and that is what prophets are about , right] ,

both houses represent "a remnant" ,
a remnant of a specific group of 'sons' [but the same number of ladies]
whom God always has desired .."to be complete" , that is , in number ,
but that just 'never happened' (still)

.. both houses consist of 144,000 sons [and girls] ,
the same number as in Revelation ,
and both houses represent "certain aspects of creation"
(or better : the individuals part of both houses represent those)

..Ezekiel writes 'how both houses - which were at enmity during history -
will become 1 house under Christ the king',
and that chapter [=the valley of the bones]
describes perfectly how "in history the houses were 'dead',
but "how they will be revived in the endtime" = now ,
it is this group which will be taken from earth ,
and [in that same chapter]
will be restored in their original being created by God

and that is because "of God's covenant"
(which is the missing one in this thread !) ,
because Christ's covenant was 'the restoration of the souls tówards God', right ,

but God's covenant - in prophets -
is the resoration of eden paradise [=in the other reality]
and the soul receiving her original being

- upon which this earth will end .

 

[charity]

According to the Bible,

[1] Who is Israel, and who are of His House?
[2] Who is Judah, and who are of His House?​

'In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel,
and they shall come together out of the land of the north
to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers.'
(Jer 3:18)

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
that I will make a New Covenant
with the house of Israel,
and with the house of Judah:
(Jer 31:31)

Hello @ReChoired,

Put simplistically, Abraham was told that out of Isaac should his seed be called (Genesis 21:12 & Romans 9:7): Jacob, Isaac's son, was Divinely given the name 'Israel', and he had twelve sons, who comprise the tribes of Israel (ie., the children of Israel). Israel became divided later in their history into two kingdoms, two (Judah and Benjamin) comprised the House of Judah, and the 10 remaining tribes comprised the House of Israel.

Judah was the third son of Jacob by Leah, and was the tribe through which 'the seed of the woman' promised in Genesis 3:15 came; the Lord Jesus Christ, Israel's promised Messiah (the Coming One, their Deliverer). He was rejected and killed by those of His own to whom He came, but God raised Him from the dead, and He ascended to God's right hand. 'Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.'(Act 3:21)

* God said through Ezekiel, concerning these two houses:-

'Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it,
.. For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions:
.... then take another stick, and write upon it,
...... For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
........ And join them one to another into one stick;
.......... and they shall become one in thine hand.
And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying,
.. Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
.... Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD;
...... Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim,
........ and the tribes of Israel his fellows,
.......... and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah,
............ and make them one stick,
.............. and they shall be one in mine hand.
And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
.. And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD;
.... Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone,
...... and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
........ And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel;
.......... and one king shall be king to them all:
............ and they shall be no more two nations,
.............. neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:'
(Eze 37:16-22)

* The two houses will become one again, and it will be to them, once redeemed, that the New Covenant will be made (Jeremiah 31:31).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[forever]

let me help you out (sorry i jump in) ,
in prophets both houses are sometimes equated with
the 'northern and southern kingdom',
but in prophecy [and that is what prophets are about , right] ,

both houses represent "a remnant" ,
a remnant of a specific group of 'sons' [but the same number of ladies]
whom God always has desired .."to be complete" , that is , in number ,
but that just 'never happened' (still)

.. both houses consist of 144,000 sons [and girls] ,
the same number as in Revelation ,
and both houses represent "certain aspects of creation"
(or better : the individuals part of both houses represent those)

..Ezekiel writes 'how both houses - which were at enmity during history -
will become 1 house under Christ the king',
and that chapter [=the valley of the bones]
describes perfectly how "in history the houses were 'dead',
but "how they will be revived in the endtime" = now ,
it is this group which will be taken from earth ,
and [in that same chapter]
will be restored in their original being created by God

and that is because "of God's covenant"
(which is the missing one in this thread !) ,
because Christ's covenant was 'the restoration of the souls tówards God', right ,

but God's covenant - in prophets -
is the resoration of eden paradise [=in the other reality]
and the soul receiving her original being

- upon which this earth will end .

add :
need to stress that the '144,000' number i mentioned is NOT some Watchtower sectarianism ;
in fact never is mentioned that number in prophets ,
just "the sons" or [after their change] "the sons of [eden-] Ishral" ;
its just
that i myself am used to always clarify this group 'as the 144,000',
because there are a lot of terms in scripture needing to be defined --
'Jacob' or "the house Jacob"
are 'all the souls on earth who will eventually be saved' ; etc

 

[Robert Gwin]

'Ye are they which have continued with Me in My temptations.
And I appoint unto you a kingdom,
as My Father hath appointed unto Me,
That ye may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom,
and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.'
(Luk 22:28-30)

Hello @Robert Gwin,

With respect, this of itself is not enough to justify your threefold statement concerning Luke 22:28, (quote)


A covenant cannot be said to be an 'agreement' unless 'conditional': for an agreement requires more than one party to be involved, and in the case of Abram in Genesis 15, he was asleep when that 'unconditional' covenant was made with Him by God. In this case the word has the meaning of 'to assign', for the twelve are assigned to this future role, and no agreement was sought from them in it's assignment. The endowment of the Holy Spirit of the twelve was that promised by the Father, and was not the confirmation of this assignment.

This honour is however indeed 'promised' to the twelve. Granted by the One Who had the authority to delegate it to them, God the Son, Whose Kingdom it will be. It has yet to come into force, for it awaits the coming of Christ in His glory.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

I am sorry you are unable to see that this appointing is a covenant maam. Perhaps you understand that the law covenant was fulfilled, and therefore Christians are not bound by it.

 

[Robert Gwin]

They are going to be executed, but you refuse to look at links:

These are not for the willingly blind, for they could never see by their own decision, and so I post these to those who desire to see and hear, and know:

Sticks & Stones - Do You Stone The Sabbath Breaker - brother Aaron Earnest

or here:

Sticks & Stones - Do You Stone The Sabbath Breaker - October 19, 2019 - brother Aaron Earnest : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

https://archive.org/download/sticks-stones-do-you-stone-the-sabbath-breaker/Sticks & Stones - Do You Stone The Sabbath Breaker.pptx

Christians today do not observe the Sabbath. We have been released from the law. Virtually all of us would have been executed if we were still under law for violation of it. Violation of the Sabbath under law, would result in a speedy execution. It was a very serious matter. Num 15:32-36

 

[Robert Gwin]

Quote scripture correctly please:

Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Mere external conformity without a change of heart is useless. The heart needed to be changed. Once the heart was delivered, the life of God, as seen in Christ Jesus who kept the commandments of God, His Father, would be seen also in them who were delivered. Being delivered from condemnation for transgression of God's law, is not the same as being released from obedience to God's law.
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Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Paul did not find within himself (his flesh nature) how to obey God's Law. His mind/heart knew it was right and good to obey, but could not perform the command of God.
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Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.​

Why?, because the Ten Commandments of God are all spiritual (Romans 7:14), and require the Holy Spirit to walk in them, and cannot be fulfilled merely by the flesh.

Paul in Romans 7-8 is describing the exact same thing as he does in Galatians 2.

We Christians do not live by the Law covenant sir. We live under the laws given to us under the new covenant.

 

[ReChoired]

Christians today do not observe the Sabbath. We have been released from the law. Virtually all of us would have been executed if we were still under law for violation of it. Violation of the Sabbath under law, would result in a speedy execution. It was a very serious matter. Num 15:32-36

Robert, you didn't watch the presentation, neither did you read the presentation, which addresses your 'concern' because you do not click on links due to the limiting collar that the WTS has placed upon you. If you really were concerned about this issue, you would have simply studied the material, and if it was in error, refute it publicly by scripture, but you won't do that. The answer was provided to you, and you simply refused it out of hand. I cannot help you after that. It isn't a matter of "was" a serious matter. It presently, even right now, "is" a serious matter. The penalty hasn't changed one bit. The "execution" is "com[ing] quickly" as scripture assures us.

Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

1Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
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You do not have much time left Robert. Please take this opportunity and time while you are 'on the bench' in the playbook of the WTS.

 

[ReChoired]

... We live under the laws given to us under the new covenant.

What laws, specifically, are you referring to, and where may I find them written in scripture?

 

[robert derrick]

According to the Bible,

[1] Who is Israel, and who are of His House?

[2] Who is Judah, and who are of His House?
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Will you attempt the original [1]?

[1] Contextually, What "my ("LORD" "God") law" is being referred to?​

The house of Israel and the house of Jacob are one in Scripture of prophecy.

That house is now the house of God in Christ: The peculiar treasure and holy nation God promised to make of the seed of Abraham and Sarah by Isaac and Jacob (Ex 19).

There no longer exists a physical seed of promise. All such that abide in unbelief are now counted by Scripture as that of Hagar, kinsmen to Ishmael. They made themselves so by unbelief and crucifixion of the One that promised Abraham and offered to fulfill it at the mount:

Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine. And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. (Ex 19:5-6)

Sounds a whole lot like:

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people... (1 Peter 2)

The members of the body of Christ according to Scripture are the children of Israel, not by physical seed but by spiritual: Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God.

I would say Scripture is pretty clear that the people of God are the seed of God and of promise, and so the children of Israel.

The physical seed of time past are not, and the spiritual seed of present time are.

He that was a seed of promise, and is not a seed of promise, and yet is calling himself a seed of promise. (Rev 17:8)

 

[robert derrick]

Robert, you didn't watch the presentation, neither did you read the presentation, which addresses your 'concern' because you do not click on links due to the limiting collar that the WTS has placed upon you. If you really were concerned about this issue, you would have simply studied the material, and if it was in error, refute it publicly by scripture, but you won't do that. The answer was provided to you, and you simply refused it out of hand. I cannot help you after that. It isn't a matter of "was" a serious matter. It presently, even right now, "is" a serious matter. The penalty hasn't changed one bit. The "execution" is "com[ing] quickly" as scripture assures us.

Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

1Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
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You do not have much time left Robert. Please take this opportunity and time while you are 'on the bench' in the playbook of the WTS.

It presently, even right now, "is" a serious matter.

Because you make it one, not God.

 

[robert derrick]

What laws, specifically, are you referring to, and where may I find them written in scripture?

You would be a teacher of law and commandments, and you know not what the law of Christ is?

The law of Christ, the royal law, the perfect law of liberty, the doctrine and rule of Christ, called the apostles' doctrine, because Jesus gave it to them to lay as the foundation of His church. (Acts 2:42)(Acts 1:2)(1 Cor 3:11)

The law and doctrine of Christ is not the law of Moses, which was done away with the tables of stone and covenant thereof at the cross. (2 Cor 3:7-11)(Heb 8:13)

The law of Christ includes all the commandments Jesus gave to His apostles after His resurrection. (Acts 1:2)

These commandments written by the apostles for us today include:

1. Love the Lord thy God (1 Cor 16) 2. Love thy neighbor as thyself (James 2) 3. honor thy mother and father (Eph 6) 4. No idols (1 John 5)
5. Not kill (Rom 13) 6. Not steal (Rom 13) 7. No false witness (Rom 13) 8. No adultery (James 2)

I read 8.

No Sabbath. You have to go back to Moses of old to read about the Sabbath commandment, because it's not in the law of Christ, as it was in the law of Moses.

Try reading God's covenant for the seed of faith, and you might know what Christians are talking about in the law of Christ.